Poll Stewart Downing vs Antonio Nunez
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i think they'd have come, yes. better and less risky to spend £8m or so on one of them with approx 8 years good service in them than £20m on downing who probably has about 3. the former costs £1m a year, the latter £6m+ a year.
another one is that dutch lad who couldn't get a game for Barca, Afellay.
another one is that dutch lad who couldn't get a game for Barca, Afellay.
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ok, 2 players off the top of my head, both younger and almost certainly cheaper (and imo better) than downing: payet from st etienne, griezmann from real sociedad.
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That may (or may not) be so peter but I'm not part of the scouting setup at LFC so don't have an influence. I've said there's likely better out there than Downing - we simply have to capture them earlier and actually play and develop them - which is something again we have become woeful at - bringing through young players. Signs of improvement there though
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i know you don't have an influence, but people like Hansern keep making out there were no realistic alternatives to downing, whereas most of us just don't agree - including you, it seems.
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I never said that at all , in fact quite the opposite if you read my post properly I.e. "there's likely better". Also there's loads of people who make the assumption that players they suggest would undoubtedly be happy to join us and would automatically be better players than those we already have. None of us know for sure though, on anything.
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ok, 2 players off the top of my head, both younger and almost certainly cheaper (and imo better) than downing: payet from st etienne, griezmann from real sociedad.
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That may (or may not) be so peter but I'm not part of the scouting setup at LFC so don't have an influence. I've said there's likely better out there than Downing - we simply have to capture them earlier and actually play and develop them - which is something again we have become woeful at - bringing through young players. Signs of improvement there though
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i know you don't have an influence, but people like Hansern keep making out there were no realistic alternatives to downing, whereas most of us just don't agree - including you, it seems.
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I never said that at all , in fact quite the opposite if you read my post properly I.e. "there's likely better". Also there's loads of people who make the assumption that players they suggest would undoubtedly be happy to join us and would automatically be better players than those we already have. None of us know for sure though, on anything.
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ok, 2 players off the top of my head, both younger and almost certainly cheaper (and imo better) than downing: payet from st etienne, griezmann from real sociedad.
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That may (or may not) be so peter but I'm not part of the scouting setup at LFC so don't have an influence. I've said there's likely better out there than Downing - we simply have to capture them earlier and actually play and develop them - which is something again we have become woeful at - bringing through young players. Signs of improvement there though
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i know you don't have an influence, but people like Hansern keep making out there were no realistic alternatives to downing, whereas most of us just don't agree - including you, it seems.
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I never said that at all , in fact quite the opposite if you read my post properly I.e. "there's likely better". Also there's loads of people who make the assumption that players they suggest would undoubtedly be happy to join us and would automatically be better players than those we already have. None of us know for sure though, on anything.
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errrrrrrrrrrr, think you might need to read my post properly, actually!
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ok, 2 players off the top of my head, both younger and almost certainly cheaper (and imo better) than downing: payet from st etienne, griezmann from real sociedad.
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That may (or may not) be so peter but I'm not part of the scouting setup at LFC so don't have an influence. I've said there's likely better out there than Downing - we simply have to capture them earlier and actually play and develop them - which is something again we have become woeful at - bringing through young players. Signs of improvement there though
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i know you don't have an influence, but people like Hansern keep making out there were no realistic alternatives to downing, whereas most of us just don't agree - including you, it seems.
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I never said that at all , in fact quite the opposite if you read my post properly I.e. "there's likely better". Also there's loads of people who make the assumption that players they suggest would undoubtedly be happy to join us and would automatically be better players than those we already have. None of us know for sure though, on anything.
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errrrrrrrrrrr, think you might need to read my post properly, actually!
With every passing game, I find it harder to believe that Downing will be a successful Liverpool player.
Let's be honest lads, at this stage you can usually tell if someone is going to be a flop and it isn't looking good.
Let's be honest lads, at this stage you can usually tell if someone is going to be a flop and it isn't looking good.
I wonder if we looked at Cazorla before he moved to Malaga. I'd have him over most the players in our squad nevermind Downing.
I think we could've found someone better suited to us for the money spent anyway. We don't have to name names or talk about established stars. Every year we, as fans, see new emerging attacking talent and it's up to the club to identify and go after those guys rather than spunking away a fortune on mediocrity.
I think we could've found someone better suited to us for the money spent anyway. We don't have to name names or talk about established stars. Every year we, as fans, see new emerging attacking talent and it's up to the club to identify and go after those guys rather than spunking away a fortune on mediocrity.
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I wonder if we looked at Cazorla before he moved to Malaga. I'd have him over most the players in our squad nevermind Downing.
I think we could've found someone better suited to us for the money spent anyway. We don't have to name names or talk about established stars. Every year we, as fans, see new emerging attacking talent and it's up to the club to identify and go after those guys rather than spunking away a fortune on mediocrity.
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I agree with all of this. I don't think Downing is any great shakes at all but I don't think he's as bad as some make out either. Certainly the Nunez comparison is plain daft or Glock has a really bad memory. I've seen Downing put loads of excellent balls into the danger area this year and there's either been nobody in the box at all or we've fucked the chance up. We could do with someone clinical in the box at times never mind the limitations of Downing. I still think we'll 'click' at some point soon though
I wonder if we looked at Cazorla before he moved to Malaga. I'd have him over most the players in our squad nevermind Downing.
I think we could've found someone better suited to us for the money spent anyway. We don't have to name names or talk about established stars. Every year we, as fans, see new emerging attacking talent and it's up to the club to identify and go after those guys rather than spunking away a fortune on mediocrity.
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I agree with all of this. I don't think Downing is any great shakes at all but I don't think he's as bad as some make out either. Certainly the Nunez comparison is plain daft or Glock has a really bad memory. I've seen Downing put loads of excellent balls into the danger area this year and there's either been nobody in the box at all or we've fucked the chance up. We could do with someone clinical in the box at times never mind the limitations of Downing. I still think we'll 'click' at some point soon though
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I wonder if we looked at Cazorla before he moved to Malaga. I'd have him over most the players in our squad nevermind Downing.
I think we could've found someone better suited to us for the money spent anyway. We don't have to name names or talk about established stars. Every year we, as fans, see new emerging attacking talent and it's up to the club to identify and go after those guys rather than spunking away a fortune on mediocrity.
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Im still a bit sore that there was only 2 million in the difference of the Cazorla and Downing transfers and we didnt get the former! Many on here know of my love for the little ambidextrous spanish one!!
I wonder if we looked at Cazorla before he moved to Malaga. I'd have him over most the players in our squad nevermind Downing.
I think we could've found someone better suited to us for the money spent anyway. We don't have to name names or talk about established stars. Every year we, as fans, see new emerging attacking talent and it's up to the club to identify and go after those guys rather than spunking away a fortune on mediocrity.
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Im still a bit sore that there was only 2 million in the difference of the Cazorla and Downing transfers and we didnt get the former! Many on here know of my love for the little ambidextrous spanish one!!
Maybe Downing could try to see if there's someone in the box before he crosses it.
It amazes me that crossing is the only kind of passing where you're not expected to find a player or even get it close to one, you just have to put it "into the danger zone".
It amazes me that crossing is the only kind of passing where you're not expected to find a player or even get it close to one, you just have to put it "into the danger zone".
That would help too.
All I'm saying is there's no point in crossing the ball when there's no one there and then saying "you should have been there."
All I'm saying is there's no point in crossing the ball when there's no one there and then saying "you should have been there."
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Is this your worst ever thread Glock? Its up there with the "best" of them thats for sure. Can we do a follow up with Enriques goalscoring vs Steve Harkness?
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To be fair you were one of the ones who defended massively overpaying for Downing on the basis that there was nobody else. Other people said that you could sign any other left footed winger quite cheaply and he'd do similarly to Downing - which is looking very true at the moment.
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And I'm still waiting for you to name some players we could have gone for. I said Downing was the best alternative in terms what we were able to attract. I still think so as the season is 9 games old. If we had converted 3 of the chances he has created nobody would have strarted a thread like this as we would have had 22ish points and everybody would be happy.
Oh, and If someone mentions "we should have signed Mata" one more time they deserve a ban.
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Marveaux would have given exactly what Downing has this season, as would that winger Fulham signed for a million.
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Is this your worst ever thread Glock? Its up there with the "best" of them thats for sure. Can we do a follow up with Enriques goalscoring vs Steve Harkness?
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To be fair you were one of the ones who defended massively overpaying for Downing on the basis that there was nobody else. Other people said that you could sign any other left footed winger quite cheaply and he'd do similarly to Downing - which is looking very true at the moment.
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And I'm still waiting for you to name some players we could have gone for. I said Downing was the best alternative in terms what we were able to attract. I still think so as the season is 9 games old. If we had converted 3 of the chances he has created nobody would have strarted a thread like this as we would have had 22ish points and everybody would be happy.
Oh, and If someone mentions "we should have signed Mata" one more time they deserve a ban.
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Marveaux would have given exactly what Downing has this season, as would that winger Fulham signed for a million.
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You can dress it up any way you like, but judging someone after 9 games is just stupid. There is 29 games to go this season.
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Downing has had a career of slightly average Premiership performances, more than enough for anyone to be able to judge him
You can dress it up any way you like, but judging someone after 9 games is just stupid. There is 29 games to go this season.
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Downing has had a career of slightly average Premiership performances, more than enough for anyone to be able to judge him
Even after nine performances, which player has gone on to surprise us?
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ok, 2 players off the top of my head, both younger and almost certainly cheaper (and imo better) than downing: payet from st etienne, griezmann from real sociedad.
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That may (or may not) be so peter but I'm not part of the scouting setup at LFC so don't have an influence. I've said there's likely better out there than Downing - we simply have to capture them earlier and actually play and develop them - which is something again we have become woeful at - bringing through young players. Signs of improvement there though
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i know you don't have an influence, but people like Hansern keep making out there were no realistic alternatives to downing, whereas most of us just don't agree - including you, it seems.
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I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying he was the best alternative out there for us, IMHO.
There were of course other realistic targets out there. Payet is one of them, and we were linked a lot. But even with Comollis first hand knowledge we didnt go for him. Hasnt set the world alight at Lille eiter.
Griezmann wanted to stay in Spain, either with Sociedad or go to Atletico Madrid. He also has a release clause of 30 mill euros.
If he was up for a move I'd definetly get him instead of Downing. But it doesnt sound like he was. If he decides to leave in the near future I'd love him here. A lot of other clubs will aswell.
I dont buy that there is an endless list of better alternatives that we could have gone for that are better. At least with us being without CL footie.
Michel Bastos is someone I'd want instead and who could have been an realistic alternative. Comes across as a complete knob though and that is probably why he is still at Lyon.
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ok, 2 players off the top of my head, both younger and almost certainly cheaper (and imo better) than downing: payet from st etienne, griezmann from real sociedad.
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That may (or may not) be so peter but I'm not part of the scouting setup at LFC so don't have an influence. I've said there's likely better out there than Downing - we simply have to capture them earlier and actually play and develop them - which is something again we have become woeful at - bringing through young players. Signs of improvement there though
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i know you don't have an influence, but people like Hansern keep making out there were no realistic alternatives to downing, whereas most of us just don't agree - including you, it seems.
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I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying he was the best alternative out there for us, IMHO.
There were of course other realistic targets out there. Payet is one of them, and we were linked a lot. But even with Comollis first hand knowledge we didnt go for him. Hasnt set the world alight at Lille eiter.
Griezmann wanted to stay in Spain, either with Sociedad or go to Atletico Madrid. He also has a release clause of 30 mill euros.
If he was up for a move I'd definetly get him instead of Downing. But it doesnt sound like he was. If he decides to leave in the near future I'd love him here. A lot of other clubs will aswell.
I dont buy that there is an endless list of better alternatives that we could have gone for that are better. At least with us being without CL footie.
Michel Bastos is someone I'd want instead and who could have been an realistic alternative. Comes across as a complete knob though and that is probably why he is still at Lyon.
I think you're heavily invested in the support of Downing and Carroll Hansern, so I can understand you defending both and wanting to give them time.
In the case of Carroll I can at least have hope. Downing I've seen enough of over the years and he's come in and performed as I expected him to. He's a decent player but I think buying him for that sum of money was a bad decision.
I don't accept your assertion that he was the best possible candidate for 20M at all.
In the case of Carroll I can at least have hope. Downing I've seen enough of over the years and he's come in and performed as I expected him to. He's a decent player but I think buying him for that sum of money was a bad decision.
I don't accept your assertion that he was the best possible candidate for 20M at all.
Tbh I think the fee itself was the last thing Comolli and Kenny looked at. Again, Im not saying he was the sole and only candidate, but it looks like he was Kennys first choice. I think he'll improve quite a lot when he gets his first goal, it looks like his confidence is a bit low. Still, he has created a fair share of chances but a 9 % convertion rate doesnt help him in threads like these. Did we pay way to much? Of course, but that was bound to happen. Looking at what was available this summer and seeing as the top players didnt want to come here Im quite happy with his signing. I know a lot of people dont agree but I think he'll improve as the season progresses. Sadly for Downing a lot of people have made up their mind about his lack of pace and average ability when his performances these last few seasons prove otherwise. We'll see though I guess.
Downing may be limited and yet massively overpriced. But Nunez was pure diabolical. He was wank.
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Is this your worst ever thread Glock? Its up there with the "best" of them thats for sure. Can we do a follow up with Enriques goalscoring vs Steve Harkness?
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To be fair you were one of the ones who defended massively overpaying for Downing on the basis that there was nobody else. Other people said that you could sign any other left footed winger quite cheaply and he'd do similarly to Downing - which is looking very true at the moment.
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And I'm still waiting for you to name some players we could have gone for. I said Downing was the best alternative in terms what we were able to attract. I still think so as the season is 9 games old. If we had converted 3 of the chances he has created nobody would have strarted a thread like this as we would have had 22ish points and everybody would be happy.
Oh, and If someone mentions "we should have signed Mata" one more time they deserve a ban.
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Alexis Sanchez, Frank Ribery, Arda Turan and Diego Capel.
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Sanchez and Ribery are a no go. Capel couldnt even get into the Sevilla team at times and went to fucking Sporting Lisboa as noone else wanted him. Turan was an option, but I'm not sure he's what we were after. Not a natural leftwinger and we have plenty of those.
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The names of the players are immaterial, but your "natural leftwinger" statement sums up everything that's wrong.
We needed (and still fucking need) world class players in attack, regardless of position. Look at City, Barca, United - they buy top top players and then let them fit into the system. David Silva could play right back and still be fucking brilliant. Barca stuck David Villa - the best goalscorer in Spain - on the left wing. Rooney played at left midfield for 2 years so that Ronaldo could roam free and score 40 goals.
Buying Stewart Downing ahead of say Mata (and I've juct picked an arbitrary player there) was a mistake.
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Is this your worst ever thread Glock? Its up there with the "best" of them thats for sure. Can we do a follow up with Enriques goalscoring vs Steve Harkness?
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To be fair you were one of the ones who defended massively overpaying for Downing on the basis that there was nobody else. Other people said that you could sign any other left footed winger quite cheaply and he'd do similarly to Downing - which is looking very true at the moment.
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And I'm still waiting for you to name some players we could have gone for. I said Downing was the best alternative in terms what we were able to attract. I still think so as the season is 9 games old. If we had converted 3 of the chances he has created nobody would have strarted a thread like this as we would have had 22ish points and everybody would be happy.
Oh, and If someone mentions "we should have signed Mata" one more time they deserve a ban.
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Alexis Sanchez, Frank Ribery, Arda Turan and Diego Capel.
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Sanchez and Ribery are a no go. Capel couldnt even get into the Sevilla team at times and went to fucking Sporting Lisboa as noone else wanted him. Turan was an option, but I'm not sure he's what we were after. Not a natural leftwinger and we have plenty of those.
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The names of the players are immaterial, but your "natural leftwinger" statement sums up everything that's wrong.
We needed (and still fucking need) world class players in attack, regardless of position. Look at City, Barca, United - they buy top top players and then let them fit into the system. David Silva could play right back and still be fucking brilliant. Barca stuck David Villa - the best goalscorer in Spain - on the left wing. Rooney played at left midfield for 2 years so that Ronaldo could roam free and score 40 goals.
Buying Stewart Downing ahead of say Mata (and I've juct picked an arbitrary player there) was a mistake.
By the way, Gene is completely correct.
You just know. He's not going to be that world class player we need, and beside that fucking guff Hansern typed above about giving him more than 9 games (thanks, but most of us have followed his progress for the last 6/7 years and are completely across what he's going to provide) he'll never be better than 'not bad'.
He'll score the odd goal, the odd brilliant one probably, and will provide some decent assists. Every single time that happens we'll have Hansern and whomever else on here giving it the big 'i told you so'. He's Alber Riera mk 2. We had 20M and could have bought a world class player and we didn't. We bought an ok one, and as I told you all summer long - in 12 months time we'll want somebody better.
You just know. He's not going to be that world class player we need, and beside that fucking guff Hansern typed above about giving him more than 9 games (thanks, but most of us have followed his progress for the last 6/7 years and are completely across what he's going to provide) he'll never be better than 'not bad'.
He'll score the odd goal, the odd brilliant one probably, and will provide some decent assists. Every single time that happens we'll have Hansern and whomever else on here giving it the big 'i told you so'. He's Alber Riera mk 2. We had 20M and could have bought a world class player and we didn't. We bought an ok one, and as I told you all summer long - in 12 months time we'll want somebody better.
It's strange considering how very much I didn't want us to waste 20 fucking million on him at the time but to use a Tuscan expression, the sight of Downing does not "make my dick drop a shit" the way I thought it might before we signed him. He is what he is, alright nothing special, I would have preferred another player, especially Cazorla or indeed who would have thought Drenthe would turn out so promising ( moneyball anyone??!) but we got what we got.... We've seen some good flashes from him and I think both he and the team will be fine at the end of the day. Moaning won't help.
I'm quite ambivalent about Downing, but it's quite silly to suggest that he was the best, no only, option we could have gotten for $20m.
Eljero Elia went to Juventus - who finished 7th in the Serie A last year, so no CL on offer there - for circa €9m. Now he may have gone off the boil a little since bursting out of the blocks in his first season at Hamburg, but at 24, there's still every chance he'd end up being more of a success than Downing. Of course, he might fail, but he would have been a cheaper risk than betting on Downing to blossom into that world class winger we so badly need after 10 years of consistent average to slightly above average performances.
Eljero Elia went to Juventus - who finished 7th in the Serie A last year, so no CL on offer there - for circa €9m. Now he may have gone off the boil a little since bursting out of the blocks in his first season at Hamburg, but at 24, there's still every chance he'd end up being more of a success than Downing. Of course, he might fail, but he would have been a cheaper risk than betting on Downing to blossom into that world class winger we so badly need after 10 years of consistent average to slightly above average performances.
You're wrong as usual Ryan. How come you've stopped talking about Enrique? Just to name an example of other players you've been hampering negativity about.
And no, I wont comment on what Downing does and doesnt do in the future either. I just want him and the team to win something. If Im right or wrong about him that really doesnt matter at all.
The world class midfielders you speak of didnt want to join us in case you've been living in a cave for the last year. So that leaves us with the Downings and the NZogbias since we obvs didnt want compensate no CL footy with massive wages. So when you and other posters mention Mata, Silva, Aguero, Sanchez and Ribery. Its fantasy and not relevant at all. And for the record I dont think its stupid at all to name some alternatives that we could have purchased.
It will only back up the argument that we could have spent the money on someone else than Downing. Because this we should have bought world class talent is blatenly obvious but at the moment we're not City, Utd or Barca. So the players in question will move somewhere else. Like Mata.
And no, I wont comment on what Downing does and doesnt do in the future either. I just want him and the team to win something. If Im right or wrong about him that really doesnt matter at all.
The world class midfielders you speak of didnt want to join us in case you've been living in a cave for the last year. So that leaves us with the Downings and the NZogbias since we obvs didnt want compensate no CL footy with massive wages. So when you and other posters mention Mata, Silva, Aguero, Sanchez and Ribery. Its fantasy and not relevant at all. And for the record I dont think its stupid at all to name some alternatives that we could have purchased.
It will only back up the argument that we could have spent the money on someone else than Downing. Because this we should have bought world class talent is blatenly obvious but at the moment we're not City, Utd or Barca. So the players in question will move somewhere else. Like Mata.
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You're wrong as usual Ryan. How come you've stopped talking about Enrique? Just to name an example of other players you've been hampering negativity about.
And no, I wont comment on what Downing does and doesnt do in the future either. I just want him and the team to win something. If Im right or wrong about him that really doesnt matter at all.
The world class midfielders you speak of didnt want to join us in case you've been living in a cave for the last year. So that leaves us with the Downings and the NZogbias since we obvs didnt want compensate no CL footy with massive wages. So when you and other posters mention Mata, Silva, Aguero, Sanchez and Ribery. Its fantasy and not relevant at all. And for the record I dont think its stupid at all to name some alternatives that we could have purchased.
It will only back up the argument that we could have spent the money on someone else than Downing. Because this we should have bought world class talent is blatenly obvious but at the moment we're not City, Utd or Barca. So the players in question will move somewhere else. Like Mata.
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A)Doesnt rate Downing
B)Thinks we wasted money
C)Thinks 20m could have got better
Then you are out of your mind.
There are hundreds of better players than Downing who would have cost a lot less.
Many have been named already in this thread.
Id add the Swiss Xherdan Shaqiri who looks world class in the making to me and plays for Basel and would have swam to a club like us for about €10m
You're wrong as usual Ryan. How come you've stopped talking about Enrique? Just to name an example of other players you've been hampering negativity about.
And no, I wont comment on what Downing does and doesnt do in the future either. I just want him and the team to win something. If Im right or wrong about him that really doesnt matter at all.
The world class midfielders you speak of didnt want to join us in case you've been living in a cave for the last year. So that leaves us with the Downings and the NZogbias since we obvs didnt want compensate no CL footy with massive wages. So when you and other posters mention Mata, Silva, Aguero, Sanchez and Ribery. Its fantasy and not relevant at all. And for the record I dont think its stupid at all to name some alternatives that we could have purchased.
It will only back up the argument that we could have spent the money on someone else than Downing. Because this we should have bought world class talent is blatenly obvious but at the moment we're not City, Utd or Barca. So the players in question will move somewhere else. Like Mata.
[/quote]If youre suggesting he is wrong because he
A)Doesnt rate Downing
B)Thinks we wasted money
C)Thinks 20m could have got better
Then you are out of your mind.
There are hundreds of better players than Downing who would have cost a lot less.
Many have been named already in this thread.
Id add the Swiss Xherdan Shaqiri who looks world class in the making to me and plays for Basel and would have swam to a club like us for about €10m
Shaqiri is more of an attacking mid Oncy (from what I've seen of him). Elia I'm not convinced about at all. I'm sure there's better out there though than Downing however I do feel he's not as bad as people are making out and the fact we've lots of players in a new team at the moment that isn't quite clicking is being forgotten somewhat. £20m though? Yes far too much
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