Stevie might be off
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He's already a millionaire, I doubt that money is his first priority at this stage in his life and career. If he's got any ambition to coach/manage then that should be the main focus of the talks - the prospect of being groomed to be a candidate to take over one day at Anfield ought to be pretty alluring. And if he wants a risk-free breather after winding down his playing career then doing what Rushie does - flying all over the world, VIP status, promoting the club - ought to be quite tolerable to him and his missus (they can even drop off at their luxury apartment in Dubai for a month or two). So I doubt the club's strategy, on paper, will alienate him. The sad thing is both sides have started winding up the other in public, via blatant leaks. John Smith would have been appalled.
What respect do you think he should get? I said he is the Legend. The form he's on now does not warrant him to start any of our of games, that is a fact. No one can argue about that and stop this fucking sentimental shit about him. He is finished. Legend will always be a legend. Club will stay and move forward.
Supporters will stay and support the club.
Nobody expects us to pay him a blank cheque but your utter detachment from the club is evident when you start using the Chavs as an example to support your argument. They're not even a real club - why don't you use FM to support your position since it has about as much relevance.
Your dismissive comments of "suck him off", "candlelight vigil" etc just smack of your complete failure to grasp the club.
In pure footballing terms anyone who expected Gerrard to start this season on fire after the heartbreak of last season compounded by the disaster of the World Cup and the lack of rest that meant would have to have been on drugs. He'll get much better as the season moves forward and he'll certainly look much better when he's got some movement in front of him.
Off the pitch he's massively more important than any other player we've got; his influence, his example in training; his commitment; the way he's looked after himself. These are all aspects to his being at the club which Rodgers and the club need for many reasons.
Finally, anyone who claims they support Liverpool and don't have enough appreciation and affection for what Stevie has bought to the club to avoid comments like "suck him off" is just having themselves on.
You know that you're talking about the guy who turned in a transfer request after winning the CL.
Also, why make comments about current negotiations to the media?
My point is Gerrard isn't flawless.
The comments about sucking him off and candlelight vigil were made in jest cause no one mentioned how we would solve this contract situation. And also it doesn't surprise me that you and Mark are getting so fixated on it.
Handed in a transfer request then changed his mind because he knew it would one of the biggest mistakes in his life??
Great servant to your club but loyalty aside if he is looking for anything like £180k per week you wold be fat better using the wages on a replacement.
This is easy.
If negotiations break down then we should get out of Steven's way and show the respect of allowing him to leave on a free at the end of his current contract and to negotiate a deal of his choosing elsewhere.
I mean, it's not as if anyone is going to want to pay him more than us is it?
That said, I'm quite sure his next contract will be about more than just money, he obviously feels he has more to give as a player and he may well have an eye on another role at the club.
I think as is quite often the case, Modo raises a relevant point, albeit in a contentious way. There is a limit to how much we should be prepared to pay relative to what we get back in terms of performances. Stevie's star has obviously been waning for some time now, so what is a fair offer to him? And at what point does it become disrespectful to turn him down? It would be interesting to see what people would deem fair terms.
Fat better?
There's no way Rooney would join us.
Even by your standards that's a heap of complete arse. What we're saying, and all we're saying, is that he - and any contract negotiations - should be treated with respect, not the "computer says no" take-it-or-leave-it automatism which you hide behind to save yourself the trouble of thinking these things through properly. For one thing he deserves that, and for another the whole club will suffer if we treat one of its greatest ever servants in that way. As so often before, your pathetic "questions" have been answered over and over again, but you screen out everything you don't want to hear.
OK, I think I'd like to see how a disrespectful contract negotiation is done. People coming in late, tea not being served, Brendan wearing shorts...
Jokes aside, I'm ready to drop this.
My standpoint is Gerrard on current form shouldn't be getting 180k, that's it.
Forgetting the loyalty/performance/status equation for a minute, what do you think he's worth in terms of shirt sales / other merchandising alone?
I bet that globally his name on the back of shirts is worth 10 times that wage. Just pay the man.
I bet that globally his name on the back of shirts is worth 10 times that wage. Just pay the man.
And at what point (or sum) should we (respectfully) decline his services? I think people are focusing more on Modo's methods than the question he's asking, which is a perfectly valid one.
It's a very banal one. I don't think anyone expects Gerrard to be given a massive wage. It's blindingly obvious that he'll probably have to take a cut and the deal will involve other incentives. What people are peed off about is Modo taking this very basic assertion - about which fair enough - and turning it into pages and pages of pointless wind-ups.
Genius. On current form? If you think its all about on the pitch stuff, you're massively myopic. He's worh that salary easily. He's still one of the best players we have, is massively experienced on and off the pitch and will no doubt help the new and young players coming through. Nobody in that team we put out at the moment is anywhere near fit to be captain. If contract talks break down and its know that he's leaving, the aleeady shattered team morale will only plummet further. It's not like he's getting a 5 year deal on those wages. We've already seen how hard it is to replace one major player, and while he's no Suarez, I don't fancy risking losing Gerrard too. Pay the
Man.
I don't think that's what has happened here. The sniping only started on the 3rd page and when you look at what Modo actually said the reactions are wildly disproportionate. This was the post that sparked the outrage:
It might have been a little curt, but it's hardly controversial. If anyone else had posted that, people would barely have batted an eyelid.
As for the point being banal, I disagree. I think it's quite a poignant one. We're talking about the line between emotional attachment and financial prudence. I think that's well worthy of discussion. And it seems we're not all in agreement. Some do expect us to pay what he asks (even if that's 180k), due to his standing at the club.
As I said earlier, I think some people focus on the method rather than the content where Modo is concerned.
Fuck off, Modo.
They're fully justified in doing so, not least since he has a very long history of such posts. Your own posts are good examples of how the same points can be made in ways which don't get up others' noses. "Wildly disproportionate", like beauty, is very much in the eye of the beholder.
Gerrard isnt like any other player. Ever. Hes unique.
Rush signed for us, Kenny signed for us, Keegan signed for us, Hansen signed for us etc etc etc.
Those who never kicked a ball for another club are unique.
Even more unique in this instance is the fact that this is our greatest player of all time. Not just a long term servant like Carragher or Callaghan but the BEST PLAYER we have ever had. I dont think its too much to say that we PROBABLY wouldnt have won a single trophy the past 15 years without Gerrard.
Hes an absolute legend and the closest comparison I can think of is Paulo Maldini. He should not and WILL not ever kick a ball for another club.
He will bend a little in terms of what he wants and if he doesnt we suck it up and pay him whatever he wants for the next year. He owes us fuck all and we owe him everything.
He is our all time great.
You dont shit on that over a few million quid.
Rush signed for us, Kenny signed for us, Keegan signed for us, Hansen signed for us etc etc etc.
Those who never kicked a ball for another club are unique.
Even more unique in this instance is the fact that this is our greatest player of all time. Not just a long term servant like Carragher or Callaghan but the BEST PLAYER we have ever had. I dont think its too much to say that we PROBABLY wouldnt have won a single trophy the past 15 years without Gerrard.
Hes an absolute legend and the closest comparison I can think of is Paulo Maldini. He should not and WILL not ever kick a ball for another club.
He will bend a little in terms of what he wants and if he doesnt we suck it up and pay him whatever he wants for the next year. He owes us fuck all and we owe him everything.
He is our all time great.
You dont shit on that over a few million quid.
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