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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=48073.msg1468499#msg1468499 date=1327232753]
Yep...sometimes youngsters play get a major psychological boost when given the chance. Often, the fear of not making it makes them stagnate. We have had a lot of youngsters show early promise, and then they fail to even live up to the standards they have already shown. There has got to be a reason behind this drop in performance at youth level.
The main difference between Kenny last season and this season, for me, is that he is not backing the youngsters now....even the youngsters who did well for him last season, like Kelly, Flanangan, Robinson etc have taken a back seat...of course all of them unfortunately play in full-back position where we have competition for starting spot for the first time in ages.
I really think Shelvey has been handled rather poorly. I would much rather go with Henderson/Gerrard/Shelvey as the midfield trio than play Adam in front of Shelvey, but it seems Adam is Kenny's favorite.
I can say all of the below showed promise and then went to shit..
Pacheco
Dalle Valle
Morgan
Suso
Sterling
Robinson
etc...of course there is still time for Sterling, Robinson and Morgan etc....but judging by our history in developing youngsters, i don't really hold much hope.
It seems Ibe is the latest addition to that list...lets see how it goes.
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what the fuck? is this some sort of wind up?!
Morgan, Suso, Sterling, Robinson?!
they're all about 17/18! with about 3 appearances between them! they won't all make it, and there's a chance none of them will, but.... ah, what's the point? i'm just stating the obvious. they might make it, they might not, like about 99% of talented players their age.
Yep...sometimes youngsters play get a major psychological boost when given the chance. Often, the fear of not making it makes them stagnate. We have had a lot of youngsters show early promise, and then they fail to even live up to the standards they have already shown. There has got to be a reason behind this drop in performance at youth level.
The main difference between Kenny last season and this season, for me, is that he is not backing the youngsters now....even the youngsters who did well for him last season, like Kelly, Flanangan, Robinson etc have taken a back seat...of course all of them unfortunately play in full-back position where we have competition for starting spot for the first time in ages.
I really think Shelvey has been handled rather poorly. I would much rather go with Henderson/Gerrard/Shelvey as the midfield trio than play Adam in front of Shelvey, but it seems Adam is Kenny's favorite.
I can say all of the below showed promise and then went to shit..
Pacheco
Dalle Valle
Morgan
Suso
Sterling
Robinson
etc...of course there is still time for Sterling, Robinson and Morgan etc....but judging by our history in developing youngsters, i don't really hold much hope.
It seems Ibe is the latest addition to that list...lets see how it goes.
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what the fuck? is this some sort of wind up?!
Morgan, Suso, Sterling, Robinson?!
they're all about 17/18! with about 3 appearances between them! they won't all make it, and there's a chance none of them will, but.... ah, what's the point? i'm just stating the obvious. they might make it, they might not, like about 99% of talented players their age.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=48073.msg1468511#msg1468511 date=1327233314]
He's way off being the best player in the reserves this season. Way off. Like Morgan (and to some extant Suso) he's learning to deal with his first significant slump in form and confidence and the last thing he needs is being asked to play in the first team.
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I'm basic it on the games I've seen this season and I'm talking raw skill.
To me it just looks like Suso and Adorjan are more intelligent and more skilful than the rest. It's a pity that Robinson has been injured cause I'd add him to that list as well.
He's way off being the best player in the reserves this season. Way off. Like Morgan (and to some extant Suso) he's learning to deal with his first significant slump in form and confidence and the last thing he needs is being asked to play in the first team.
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I'm basic it on the games I've seen this season and I'm talking raw skill.
To me it just looks like Suso and Adorjan are more intelligent and more skilful than the rest. It's a pity that Robinson has been injured cause I'd add him to that list as well.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=48073.msg1468513#msg1468513 date=1327233577]
All of this 'we don't develop youngsters' is out of date. Borrell is a brilliant man to have at the club and he's doing a great job. He knows what he's doing.
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i agree. i think a lot changed for the better a couple of years ago and we just need a bit of patience because if anything's a long term project, this is.
there's a lot to be optimistic about with the coaches, the players already here, and the continuing drive to bring more of the best in.
All of this 'we don't develop youngsters' is out of date. Borrell is a brilliant man to have at the club and he's doing a great job. He knows what he's doing.
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i agree. i think a lot changed for the better a couple of years ago and we just need a bit of patience because if anything's a long term project, this is.
there's a lot to be optimistic about with the coaches, the players already here, and the continuing drive to bring more of the best in.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=48073.msg1468513#msg1468513 date=1327233577]
All of this 'we don't develop youngsters' is out of date. Borrell is a brilliant man to have at the club and he's doing a great job. He knows what he's doing.
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He might but if they don't get a chance in the first team, it's irrelevant.
All of this 'we don't develop youngsters' is out of date. Borrell is a brilliant man to have at the club and he's doing a great job. He knows what he's doing.
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He might but if they don't get a chance in the first team, it's irrelevant.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=48073.msg1468504#msg1468504 date=1327233140]
You do know that Suso just turned 18 and is probably the best player in the reserves?
Don't forget Adorjan.
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I don't know why Adorjan doesn't get more praise from supporters.
Is it because the most vocal "give X a game" posters don't watch the youngster play?
You do know that Suso just turned 18 and is probably the best player in the reserves?
Don't forget Adorjan.
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I don't know why Adorjan doesn't get more praise from supporters.
Is it because the most vocal "give X a game" posters don't watch the youngster play?
But as last season showed, they will, if they deserve it. We now have a manager who has a unique link with the academy, every single person involved there says how positive the relationship is, and yet still some with no connection at all are determined to claim there's a problem.
We're on a huge recruitment drive at the moment with the youngsters it seems. Loads of chat about it at youth level right now. Theres the ones you read about in the papers and i can add two u14s i know we've signed on top of that (there will be loads throughout all other age groups if the gossip is right). One is Aston Villa's best u14 player and another is a goalkeeper from Rochdale.
From the few reserve and youth matches I've seen the past two seasons your man tony silva has impressed me most from an attacking point of view. Yet he hardly gets mentioned
[quote author=barrymac20 link=topic=48073.msg1468774#msg1468774 date=1327264426]
From the few reserve and youth matches I've seen the past two seasons your man tony silva has impressed me most from an attacking point of view. Yet he hardly gets mentioned
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He's a bit Babelesq with his decision making
From the few reserve and youth matches I've seen the past two seasons your man tony silva has impressed me most from an attacking point of view. Yet he hardly gets mentioned
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He's a bit Babelesq with his decision making
I remember watching him once fucking up a pirouette type thing. He clearly wanted to look good though so tried it about another 4 times for no reason until it worked.
That's what I do on fifa too.
That's what I do on fifa too.
[quote author=barrymac20 link=topic=48073.msg1468774#msg1468774 date=1327264426]
From the few reserve and youth matches I've seen the past two seasons your man tony silva has impressed me most from an attacking point of view. Yet he hardly gets mentioned
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there's a lot of people on RAWK who reckon he should be given a chance, that he could be just what we're missing with his pace and ability to beat a man. i have to say, though, i always wonder what i'm missing when i've seen him, because he really does look like a reserve level Babel: no brain at all and very clumsy when trying to take his man on.
i'd love to be proven wrong, but i just can't see it with him.
From the few reserve and youth matches I've seen the past two seasons your man tony silva has impressed me most from an attacking point of view. Yet he hardly gets mentioned
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there's a lot of people on RAWK who reckon he should be given a chance, that he could be just what we're missing with his pace and ability to beat a man. i have to say, though, i always wonder what i'm missing when i've seen him, because he really does look like a reserve level Babel: no brain at all and very clumsy when trying to take his man on.
i'd love to be proven wrong, but i just can't see it with him.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=48073.msg1468790#msg1468790 date=1327265466]
[quote author=barrymac20 link=topic=48073.msg1468774#msg1468774 date=1327264426]
From the few reserve and youth matches I've seen the past two seasons your man tony silva has impressed me most from an attacking point of view. Yet he hardly gets mentioned
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there's a lot of people on RAWK who reckon he should be given a chance, that he could be just what we're missing with his pace and ability to beat a man. i have to say, though, i always wonder what i'm missing when i've seen him, because he really does look like a reserve level Babel: no brain at all and very clumsy when trying to take his man on.
i'd love to be proven wrong, but i just can't see it with him.
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I presume it's his strength that people like. There seems to be a belief amongst a lot of football clubs and fans that young players with a good physical presence and average skill / intelligence are more likely to make it than skilful / intelligent small players.
[quote author=barrymac20 link=topic=48073.msg1468774#msg1468774 date=1327264426]
From the few reserve and youth matches I've seen the past two seasons your man tony silva has impressed me most from an attacking point of view. Yet he hardly gets mentioned
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there's a lot of people on RAWK who reckon he should be given a chance, that he could be just what we're missing with his pace and ability to beat a man. i have to say, though, i always wonder what i'm missing when i've seen him, because he really does look like a reserve level Babel: no brain at all and very clumsy when trying to take his man on.
i'd love to be proven wrong, but i just can't see it with him.
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I presume it's his strength that people like. There seems to be a belief amongst a lot of football clubs and fans that young players with a good physical presence and average skill / intelligence are more likely to make it than skilful / intelligent small players.
yeh, i suppose i can see that he makes things happen: he's got lots of confidence and a good shot on him. i just can't imagine a player that short on finesse ever making it here, though, but fingers crossed i guess.
I chalk up poor decision making at reserve level to inexperience, only the truly stand out players make the right decisions most of the time at that age.
so even though silva is erratic I don't think that will be the case forever if he works hard at getting his head up. ronaldo at 18 was a poor decision maker.
so even though silva is erratic I don't think that will be the case forever if he works hard at getting his head up. ronaldo at 18 was a poor decision maker.
Ronaldo at 18 tore the shit out of Bolton Wanderers, and others.
it not so much decision-making with him, imo, but general awareness. he's quite 'head down'. i think that kind of awareness is much harder to teach, and you see loads of good young players with it, not just the elite.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48073.msg1468804#msg1468804 date=1327266827]
I chalk up poor decision making at reserve level to inexperience, only the truly stand out players make the right decisions most of the time at that age.
so even though silva is erratic I don't think that will be the case forever if he works hard at getting his head up. ronaldo at 18 was a poor decision maker.
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There's decision making that comes with experience and there's just general clumsiness and a lack of genuine game intelligence. It's not always one and the same and it's not something you can always drum into players. You have to have some level of awareness that's just natural.
I chalk up poor decision making at reserve level to inexperience, only the truly stand out players make the right decisions most of the time at that age.
so even though silva is erratic I don't think that will be the case forever if he works hard at getting his head up. ronaldo at 18 was a poor decision maker.
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There's decision making that comes with experience and there's just general clumsiness and a lack of genuine game intelligence. It's not always one and the same and it's not something you can always drum into players. You have to have some level of awareness that's just natural.
I've not watched much this season, but whenever I've seen Sterling he's been disappointing.
I know Suso had a dip as well. How's he doing now?
And I don't see it in Morgan either 🙁
I know Suso had a dip as well. How's he doing now?
And I don't see it in Morgan either 🙁
Despite this "Our Academy Is Dead Boss", I just don't see many, if any, making it as first team regulars.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=48073.msg1468812#msg1468812 date=1327267227]
I've not watched much this season, but whenever I've seen Sterling he's been disappointing.
I know Suso had a dip as well. How's he doing now?
And I don't see it in Morgan either 🙁
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Morgan came on as a sub yesterday. He still looks painfully low in confidence, but he'll come back. Suso looks like he's slowly getting back on form.
I've not watched much this season, but whenever I've seen Sterling he's been disappointing.
I know Suso had a dip as well. How's he doing now?
And I don't see it in Morgan either 🙁
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Morgan came on as a sub yesterday. He still looks painfully low in confidence, but he'll come back. Suso looks like he's slowly getting back on form.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=48073.msg1468812#msg1468812 date=1327267227]
I've not watched much this season, but whenever I've seen Sterling he's been disappointing.
I know Suso had a dip as well. How's he doing now?
And I don't see it in Morgan either 🙁
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Sterling's been better the last few games, imo, more like his old self. i wonder how much all bollocks in his private life might have been affecting him earlier on in the season.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48073.msg1468814#msg1468814 date=1327267341]
Despite this "Our Academy Is Dead Boss", I just don't see many, if any, making it as first team regulars.
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i suppose that's always the likelihood, but when you think of players of the standard of, say, Warnock and Spearing as being good enough to make a contribution.... well, i reckon there's about 15 lads on our books somewhere who could reach at least that level.
(er, just remembered you might know a lot more about this than me, though, seeing as your lad was involved there for a time!)
I've not watched much this season, but whenever I've seen Sterling he's been disappointing.
I know Suso had a dip as well. How's he doing now?
And I don't see it in Morgan either 🙁
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Sterling's been better the last few games, imo, more like his old self. i wonder how much all bollocks in his private life might have been affecting him earlier on in the season.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=48073.msg1468814#msg1468814 date=1327267341]
Despite this "Our Academy Is Dead Boss", I just don't see many, if any, making it as first team regulars.
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i suppose that's always the likelihood, but when you think of players of the standard of, say, Warnock and Spearing as being good enough to make a contribution.... well, i reckon there's about 15 lads on our books somewhere who could reach at least that level.
(er, just remembered you might know a lot more about this than me, though, seeing as your lad was involved there for a time!)
I'm not basing my opinion on my personal experience of it Peter, I only got to see the training one age group got (wasn't impressed with that granted) but I watched a lot of the U18's while I was there and the only one I thought who 'had it' was Sterling but even he's dropped of the pace of late.
I think the cynicism will remain until we see a couple break through.
We've been buying youngsters en masse for about five years now and the only lads to make it through are Kelly and Spearing.
You see players coming through the ranks elsewhere and begin to wonder whether the special talents we supposedly bought in were really that special and if they were, what goes on at Liverpool that sees so many big reputations fall away.
I just hope that our investment pays off this time... even if it means they don't end up in the first time but playing at a decent level in the Premiership or the Championship.
We've been buying youngsters en masse for about five years now and the only lads to make it through are Kelly and Spearing.
You see players coming through the ranks elsewhere and begin to wonder whether the special talents we supposedly bought in were really that special and if they were, what goes on at Liverpool that sees so many big reputations fall away.
I just hope that our investment pays off this time... even if it means they don't end up in the first time but playing at a decent level in the Premiership or the Championship.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=48073.msg1468835#msg1468835 date=1327269299]
I think the cynicism will remain until we see a couple break through.
We've been buying youngsters en masse for about five years now and the only lads to make it through are Kelly and Spearing.
You see players coming through the ranks elsewhere and begin to wonder whether the special talents we supposedly bought in were really that special and if they were, what goes on at Liverpool that sees so many big reputations fall away.
I just hope that our investment pays off this time... even if it means they don't end up in the first time but playing at a decent level in the Premiership or the Championship.
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yeah, it seems to get lost that things have only really started looking much better since the whole system was revamped a few years ago. the fact that tens of no-hopers like Ronald Huth, Andras Simon and Jordy Brouwer have been and gone is really kind of irrelevant when it comes to assessing the chances of a lot of the better talents we've got now. they're in a completely different class.
I think the cynicism will remain until we see a couple break through.
We've been buying youngsters en masse for about five years now and the only lads to make it through are Kelly and Spearing.
You see players coming through the ranks elsewhere and begin to wonder whether the special talents we supposedly bought in were really that special and if they were, what goes on at Liverpool that sees so many big reputations fall away.
I just hope that our investment pays off this time... even if it means they don't end up in the first time but playing at a decent level in the Premiership or the Championship.
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yeah, it seems to get lost that things have only really started looking much better since the whole system was revamped a few years ago. the fact that tens of no-hopers like Ronald Huth, Andras Simon and Jordy Brouwer have been and gone is really kind of irrelevant when it comes to assessing the chances of a lot of the better talents we've got now. they're in a completely different class.
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