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So who do we want/expect/hope?

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*Genuine question*

There seems to be a few posters on here who are shitting on the idea of Martinez becoming our next manager whilst at the same time saying they'd be up for Lambert or Rodgers

All 3 of them seem to be up and coming managers, but looking at their records you'd have to say that Martinez edges it on experience over the other two. So why on one hand suggest that Martinez shouldn't get the job (not a big enough name, whats he done etc) and then give your backing to the likes of Lambert and Rodgers when the same applies?
 
Kenny4PM said:
*Genuine question*

There seems to be a few posters on here who are shitting on the idea of Martinez becoming our next manager whilst at the same time saying they'd be up for the likes of Lambert or Rodgers...........why?
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Lambert has achieved two successive promotions, culminating in survival in the Premier League. In three seasons. That is a monumental achievement. Martinez won a League 1 title, then jumped ship to a Premier League team, where he took a team that finished 11th, to 16th, 16th, and 15th. That's much less remarkable as far as I'm concerned.
 
Delinquent said:
Lambert has achieved two successive promotions, culminating in survival in the Premier League. In three seasons. That is a monumental achievement. Martinez won a League 1 title, then jumped ship to a Premier League team, where he took a team that finished 11th, to 16th, 16th, and 15th. That's much less remarkable as far as I'm concerned.
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The team he built that won league 1 then got promoted. Martinez has two teams in the premier league
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I dont really care like, there arent many managers im against at this point.
Big sam, McClaren, McCarthy......
Its a short list.
 
I should point out that i think all 3 of them have the potential to be very good managers.

Keeping Wigan in the top division for 4 (or is it 3?) seasons whilst at the same time making a profit on transfers, reducing the wage bill and bringing down the average age of his squad, is easily a match for what Lambert has done though imo.
 
I'm less arsed about Martinez and more bothered about the hyperbole that will get posted on here next season, the guy seems to be getting less of a chance than Hodgson did, and he hasn't even been appointed yet!

I certainly think we can do better, but alot hinges aswell on the DoF role. But some people saying they'll switch off and this that and the other, I know I posted about being 'nonplussed' but it's still in my heart to support to the club and (to some degree) the manager and hope we can turn it around. I've got a family, I devote a fair amount of time (and money) to the club in one way or another and when we're down it sucks, but I'll still support through thick and thin, it might only be words to a song and we may well be living off history alot of the time, but that's us. Full of love, heart, sentiment and devotion to the Liver Bird and to that great stadium, to the XI lads who step out on the pitch, the nail biting in the dugout, and the ups and downs in the stands, the whole drama of it all. Would I give that up because we haven't strolled to our rightful place that we haven't visited for 22 years? Would I shite. Get a grip and give yourselves a good slap. It's a learning curve for all of us at the moment, but it's necessary to work our way back up there. He might not be anyone's first choice, but let's give him a chance to make the step up (if he does become manager), he's not going to get anywhere if he's convicted from the off, he will end up like Roy because he's on a hiding to nothing already.
 
Lets face it, its relative to spending and after that comes being a great manager.
Would Pep have kept Wigan up? Would Klopp have got Swansea promoted? Would Wenger have got Everton to 7th?

Pep has managed Barcelona for 4 years. Just look at the team he inherited Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Valdes, Puyol, Abidal, Pique, Pedro etc. All he has to do is pick ONE player a year to enhance that (henry, Villa, Sanchez etc) its not that hard a job to do really is it?
I mean honestly right if Barcelona had NO manager this season would they not have still finished top 2?

So basically......ive forgotten what i am saying.
No, seriously I have.
 
As I said in the other thread Martinez's style is much more suited to Liverpool than Hodgson's pragmatic game.

He might actually be a really good fit. I'd be considerably more confident about Martinez coming in than I was with Uncle Roy.
 
I still don't know why people are ducking off guadiola. He got the world's best team to play well.

How would he improve our mediocrity?
 
mark1975 said:
I'm less arsed about Martinez and more bothered about the hyperbole that will get posted on here next season, the guy seems to be getting less of a chance than Hodgson did, and he hasn't even been appointed yet!

I certainly think we can do better, but alot hinges aswell on the DoF role. But some people saying they'll switch off and this that and the other, I know I posted about being 'nonplussed' but it's still in my heart to support to the club and (to some degree) the manager and hope we can turn it around. I've got a family, I devote a fair amount of time (and money) to the club in one way or another and when we're down it sucks, but I'll still support through thick and thin, it might only be words to a song and we may well be living off history alot of the time, but that's us. Full of love, heart, sentiment and devotion to the Liver Bird and to that great stadium, to the XI lads who step out on the pitch, the nail biting in the dugout, and the ups and downs in the stands, the whole drama of it all. Would I give that up because we haven't strolled to our rightful place that we haven't visited for 22 years? Would I shite. Get a grip and give yourselves a good slap. It's a learning curve for all of us at the moment, but it's necessary to work our way back up there. He might not be anyone's first choice, but let's give him a chance to make the step up (if he does become manager), he's not going to get anywhere if he's convicted from the off, he will end up like Roy because he's on a hiding to nothing already.
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Perhaps we're all world weary now Mark but I don't think we'll learn too much from Martinez' appointment other than a vast gamble is underway.

He's an up and comer no doubt but he isn't qualified (IMHO) for the intense scrutiny and expectation that the Liverpool job will bring. Let no-one be kidded that this is a mid-table club with decreasing expectations, we are big news; worldwide.

It demands nous, a track record and above all experience and the respect of players, fans and media. We have already seen Kenny under attack and Martinez is a baby in terms of handling pressure to succeed. It's one thing to battle for survival and that to be regarded as success, entirely another to fulfil the dreams of millions of expectant fans worldwide.

We need a big personality with a successful track record. He's not ready yet, nothing personal toward Martinez but there are better options.

We aren't an edition of The Apprentice.
 
jexykrodic said:
Perhaps we're all world weary now Mark but I don't think we'll learn too much from Martinez' appointment other than a vast gamble is underway.

He's an up and comer no doubt but he isn't qualified (IMHO) for the intense scrutiny and expectation that the Liverpool job will bring. Let no-one be kidded that this is a mid-table club with decreasing expectations, we are big news; worldwide.

It demands nous, a track record and above all experience and the respect of players, fans and media. We have already seen Kenny under attack and Martinez is a baby in terms of handling pressure to succeed. It's one thing to battle for survival and that to be regarded as success, entirely another to fulfil the dreams of millions of expectant fans worldwide.

We need a big personality with a successful track record. He's not ready yet, nothing personal toward Martinez but there are better options.

We aren't an edition of The Apprentice.
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Wouldn't really argue with that Jexy, as I said in my post and I've said elsewhere, he's not my first choice and he's a risky appointment. He'll still get my backing though if he does become manager, I just don't get the "I'll fuck Liverpool off is this happens" type attitude. Only singing when we're winning and all that.
 
Sunny said:
Woud Steve Bruce have performed any better with the same club as Martinez ? Yep, 'fraid so
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In a way that's the point I'm making. Hodgson, Bruce- they're mid table managers- though Bruce has always spent a few bob in the process, and I actually don't think Bruce could have achieved the same as Martinez with the same resources (and reduced the age of the squad in the process).

Martinez managed to more than balance the books whilst attempting to play the kind of football normally only served up by the top teams. You could say he's much better suited to a top club than the Hodgson, Bruces and Allardyces of this world. He attempts pass and move in a minnow side struggling for PL status. In a way he's not the sort of manager for that sort of club. It could be argued he's much better suited to a club like us.
 
doctor_mac said:
As I said in the other thread Martinez's style is much more suited to Liverpool than Hodgson's pragmatic game.
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But let's be clear: there are plenty of managers whose style is more suited to LFC than Hodgson's. And quite a few of them have already won things, are big names and can attract very good players.
 
Sunny said:
Woud Steve Bruce have performed any better with the same club as Martinez ? Yep, 'fraid so
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Its not like for like though is it?
I mean just to check are we not counting the fact that Wigan sold Palacios, Valencia and N'zogbia since Bruce was there?
 
Theres really no point dwelling on it.

Lets be honest though; i imagine a fair few of the 'big' names dodged the opportunity to manage us as its going to be one hell of a challenge- fair weather fuckers who feel as though they are above us.

Props to Martinez for having a philosophy and not buckling and compromising that in lieu of a pay check

Young,ambitious and more than worthy of a go given the clubs current situation. He clearly has the capacity to grow and improve - Bruce et al do not.
 
gkmacca said:
But let's be clear: there are plenty of managers whose style is more suited to LFC than Hodgson's. And quite a few of them have already won things, are big names and can attract very good players.
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But will they make Liverpool better? - that is the question.
 
I'd be happy with Martinez.

Let's re-visit this thread at the end of season and see where we are anyway.
 
gkmacca said:
But let's be clear: there are plenty of managers whose style is more suited to LFC than Hodgson's. And quite a few of them have already won things, are big names and can attract very good players.
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I can't disagree Macca, but I'm not seeing a queue of great managers for the job. His philosophy is closely aligned with the footballing philosophy that Fenway want to see become the hallmark (again) of our club. We'll see if it works, but I do think it has more chance than the Hodgson experiment.
 
doctor_mac said:
I can't disagree Macca, but I'm not seeing a queue of great managers for the job. His philosophy is closely aligned with the footballing philosophy that Fenway want to see become the hallmark (again) of our club. We'll see if it works, but I do think it has more chance than the Hodgson experiment.
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Kenny had that philosophy and understood it a damned sight better than Leopold and Loeb did at FSG. But we didn't win enough games. So the only justification I can see for making a change is to bring in someone who ALSO understands the philosophy but is able to win more games. I see little but blind faith in Martinez's chances of doing so.
 
gkmacca said:
Kenny had that philosophy and understood it a damned sight better than Leopold and Loeb did at FSG. But we didn't win enough games. So the only justification I can see for making a change is to bring in someone who ALSO understands the philosophy but is able to win more games. I see little but blind faith in Martinez's chances of doing so.
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I suppose they see him working better within their new structure. I've always said KK should never have been fired.
 
Herr Onceared said:
Its not like for like though is it?
I mean just to check are we not counting the fact that Wigan sold Palacios, Valencia and N'zogbia since Bruce was there?
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That's fine but was it not Bruce who picked up those players for buttons in the first place? And what outstanding players (for Wigan) has Martinez picked up ? I'm far from convinced on Martinez. I'll support him if he comes but at the moment I don't want him
 
mark1975 said:
Wouldn't really argue with that Jexy, as I said in my post and I've said elsewhere, he's not my first choice and he's a risky appointment. He'll still get my backing though if he does become manager, I just don't get the "I'll fuck Liverpool off is this happens" type attitude. Only singing when we're winning and all that.
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That's just emotion speaking Mark. In reality it's near impossible to do
 
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