Don't know about others but for me, the likes of Valencia, AC Milan, Juventus and Barcelona are considerably huge clubs.
So who do we want/expect/hope?
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Oncy,not being in the CL, none of 'em would do it for me. Rodgers is too new, Pardew nope, I want a name that will help create the winning habit, that inspires and attracts playing talent, that creates some positive, forward momentum. Van Gaal is a new name but ticks this box, maybe, Benitez does too (interestingly, I think people would echo my sentiments today if he was appointed), Capello, - hell I'd go for De Boer because he has a strong winning mentality and is a young manager. Binny made a good post there, but Martinez, achieved little as a player, and fights relegation every year. I just don't think it its in the "up and coming" category. Just my gut feel, I've been wrong more than right in my life.
Apparantly FSG has approached Neymar with a very attractive image rights deal and are trying to sell the club on the basis of the new TV show and other crap like that making him an even bigger global star and I just made that up.
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not having a go at you or anything but just wondering why do you admire him so much ? Do any of us really know alot about him other than he apparently tries to play decent football . Has anyone ever actually watched him or wigan closely ? I know i haven't .
My concern is purely that there's a world of difference fighting off relegation and managing a team wanting champions league football as a minimum . I'd feel safer with a manager who has proven they can lead a team looking to win things rather than just avoid relegation . Anyway i'm too tired of us being shite so i'm not even going to care too much about this .
Valencia aren't. Barca promoted from within which is always the best way but only possible when you're successful. The Italian sides have had DoFs for beards
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just out of curiosity what would you think if we got in di matteo as manager? he's got experience winning the champions league
I've been to watch Wigan loads. They've always been utter shit.
I think FSG has the Rosco approach to football managers and thinks they're not that important. They want someone young, pliable, sackable, with the right image, who works hard and so on but will function as a removable piece in the larger club machinery.
I understand that mate. But what you have basically said is:
'Unless the club select someone 'i' deem to be good enough, im not supporting them anymore'
Dont you think thats ridiculous? Seriously? Look at it!
Its a crazy thing to say.
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ironic considering the other club in for him are indeed aston villa . Show's our level ?
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Steven Gerrard admits he would support Roberto Martinez if he is named Liverpool's new manager.
What he actually said was:
Asked about the prospect of Roberto Martinez taking over at Liverpool, Steven Gerrard said: "We'll have to wait and see. It's news for me. I am aware Roberto Martinez has been speaking to the club. If he is the manager, he has my support."
Steven Gerrard admits he would support Roberto Martinez if he is named Liverpool's new manager.
What he actually said was:
Asked about the prospect of Roberto Martinez taking over at Liverpool, Steven Gerrard said: "We'll have to wait and see. It's news for me. I am aware Roberto Martinez has been speaking to the club. If he is the manager, he has my support."
How to find the right words for this - Yes, he won the CL, but it was just four or five games, with a Park the Bus, kind of style, that really wouldn't deliver points in the Premier League. He wouldn't deliver what we wanted, which is attracting new talent, delivering strong league performances, and getting us back in the CL.
fair enough, it was a stupid question to be honest
No mate, honestly, that's not the logical inference from what I am saying. Just for any relegation based manager, that hasn't proven themselves - . The patience is WORN.
As for Pepe, and Barca, FOX, he was a playing legend, as was Kenny in the 80's, a winner appointed from within, which is a bit differerent to taking an outsider like Martinez who played with Swansea, Motherwell, and Wigan.
ha - you got me there Mr Picky
No it was a fair one.
The problem for me is that we just fired a legend, which is a pretty annoying slap in the face, after already having suffered a hurtful season. So I was looking at the new manager not in isolation, but also to retrospectively justify that decision as at least having some merit and logic behind it. Roberto Martinez. Maybe he's a nice guy and everything, and who knows what he will do. But hiring him is like following that slap in the face with a mucus filled spit to the eye.
I was feeling about 95% certain Dalglish would improve us next year, it was almost inevitable he would. Martinez is 50-50. No other words except for retarded can sum it up. And then to rub it in, that fucking moron Ian Ayre is flapping his decayed gums every other day thinking he sounds clever with his stupid redundant soundbites. It's all becoming pretty embarrassing.
mate I really could not agree less with this "attract big names" story. If we had the biggest name in footy management but in Jan 2013 were in 12th position would a big name come to us, no probably not. Players will come to us at first because of the clubs name and history and then if Martinez does well they will come to join in a successful team. Loads of unknown managers have signed top top players because they are at good clubs.
oh so a your scope which included top european experienced managers is allowed to be missed if they were a good player for us in the past.
How do you know, Kenny had not been in footy for years.
we will see by xmas how well he is doing
Objecting to the appointment of someone who is blatantly not qualified, and getting behind him once he's appointed are two completely different things.
Having said that, yeah, if and when it all goes tits up, there will be few people pointing out that perhaps we shouldn't have taken such a huge gamble on such an unknown quantity. And if he's successful, the people who have endorsed him will gloat about how they are footballing visionaries. That's how it works around here.
Until then however, he'll have my full support.
Valencia are no Barcelona or Real Madrid but they're no mid table sides either. Before Rafa's reign they finished 4th, 3rd and 5th. In the latest of the 2 seasons, they also managed to progress to the Champions League Finals.
Leonardo worked under the same director before Allegri succeeded him but that didn't aid in his achievement.
Juventus' current DoF only joined them in 2010/11. That director brought with him Luigi Delneri from Sampdoria but it failed to work.
As for Barca, like Txiki Begiristain mentioned, they opted for Pep Guardiola over a then more 'bigger name' Jose Mourinho and he only had 1 season at the club's B team. Pep was also taking over a side that finished 18 points off the champions.
Anyway, as I mentioned, I'm not rooting for Martinez but feel we should be more open minded.
Leonardo worked under the same director before Allegri succeeded him but that didn't aid in his achievement.
Juventus' current DoF only joined them in 2010/11. That director brought with him Luigi Delneri from Sampdoria but it failed to work.
As for Barca, like Txiki Begiristain mentioned, they opted for Pep Guardiola over a then more 'bigger name' Jose Mourinho and he only had 1 season at the club's B team. Pep was also taking over a side that finished 18 points off the champions.
Anyway, as I mentioned, I'm not rooting for Martinez but feel we should be more open minded.
Fair enough mate, but I really think the quality of the manager, and perception of him going places, and turning around a club really can help attract European talent. Martinez is just not one of those up and coming, going places kind of managers. He's a younger Mick McCarthy, Steve Bruce, Sam Alyderdyce, (Fill in the blank) that will always be managing a team that comes up and goes down every few seasons.
kenny had brilliant success with teams, he also had torrid times with others, theres no way to say how a manager will fit into a role because its all about having the right person at the right time, kenny was the right person but this time wasnt his, who knows maybe its martinez's, or villa's, theres no way to say
I'm not excited about the fact that none of Martinez' teams have been able to defend to save their lives. That makes him a big risk in my eyes and I'm not about to apologise for saying so.
Having said that, if he gets the job I'll give him every chance. Liverpool FC means more to me than being right or wrong about Roberto Martinez.
Having said that, if he gets the job I'll give him every chance. Liverpool FC means more to me than being right or wrong about Roberto Martinez.
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