Sing when you're winning

[RolandG]

To be successful we need to be a lot more ruthless. Drop players not performing and ship those out who don't meet our high standards.

We don't need motivation against the big teams. Against the so called lesser lights we need to maintain the same focus and intensity. Losing to them has not only hurt us but robbed us of any chance to win the title this season.

Dominating games for long periods and not scoring then getting hit with sucker punches deflates everyone. I'm still sick from the Bournemouth loss. Our defensive unit hasn't been good enough and we have too many passengers going through the motions and not contributing enough.

 

[tombrown]

Seems like we dont sing when we're winning & we dont even moan much when we're losing now ... not much traffic since Monday's shite. Apathy has well & truly set in

 

[keniget]

Seems like we dont sing when we're winning & we dont even moan much when we're losing now ... not much traffic since Monday's shite. Apathy has well & truly set in

No surprise really. Has anything really changed with this team over the last few years?

A lot of what we see under Klopp is the same as it was under Rodgers:

• Dodgy keeper
• Awful defence
• Work-rate over a working system
• Good performances against top 6 teams to mask the shit against the bottom half teams
• Ponderous and lacking in ideas without pace in attack
• Lacking a top class striker
• Weak team mentality

How much can you really talk about the same problems and the same set of players... it's footballing groundhog day.

 

[mom]

I have more faith in Klopp to sort it than I did in Rogers. If this is the same next season then serious questions will need asking. But without splurging on new players, there's no quick fix.

 

[Judge Jules]

Agreed, plus the fact that Klopp made it clear from the beginning that the job would take years. Even so, given the way this season's going I wouldn't be surprised if the summer clearout turns out to be more far-reaching than Klopp might originally have envisaged.

 

[keniget]

Agreed, plus the fact that Klopp made it clear from the beginning that the job would take years. Even so, given the way this season's going I wouldn't be surprised if the summer clearout turns out to be more far-reaching than Klopp might originally have envisaged.

Didn't he say he expects to be challenging pretty quickly?

 

[Judge Jules]

Not as far I remember. My recollection is that, having signed a 3-year contract originally, he was then quoted as saying it would take 4 to win the title.

 

[i_rushie]

He's said today that it's not only Sturridge who will have his future decided at the end of the season but a lot of the players too. I hope he's ruthless enough for the cull. Too many weak minded and cowardly players in this squad.

 

[Judge Jules]

I'm in no doubt he's ruthless enough. My worry is that his judgment may end up being coloured by the size of the transfer kitty he's given. I'm not as dismissive of FSG's overall approach as some on here, because spending absolute shedloads is beyond all except the very richest, but if they want us to be consistently in the running for the big prizes they'll need to prime the pump more than they have so far.

 

[FoxForceFive]

I'm in no doubt he's ruthless enough. My worry is that his judgment may end up being coloured by the size of the transfer kitty he's given. I'm not as dismissive of FSG's overall approach as some on here, because spending absolute shedloads is beyond all except the very richest, but if they want us to be consistently in the running for the big prizes they'll need to prime the pump more than they have so far.

Yep, agree completely.

I'm pretty sure his transfer dealings (or lack of a lot of transfer dealings), are a direct result of a financial constraints, & sadly I cant see that changing.

Which is a shame, cos this squad needs a lot of strengthening.

 

[tony]

Yep, agree completely.

I'm pretty sure his transfer dealings (or lack of a lot of transfer dealings), are a direct result of a financial constraints, & sadly I cant see that changing.

Which is a shame, cos this squad needs a lot of strengthening.

You see this argument makes me seeth. We made a £60mil profit in 2015,and probably another good profit to come in the latest figures. Our costs are under control. We have a massive squad padded out with lots of dross which never gets used, with a bit of a cull we could easily reduce our wage bill even further.

FSG have made a paper profit of well over half a billion quid!!! It is about time they stuck their hands in their pockets and showed some fucking ambition. They could double that potential profit if we were regulars in the CL. For example lets start with Sanchez, paper talk he is going back to Spain, doubful to RM or Barca, why don't we have a go at signing him - he would be perfect for us, and we can afford to pay as much as Athletico or Seville, why not?

 

[Insignificance]

I don't think lack of transfer activities is down to money. He said when he arrive det that he would utilize the players already here and they would be given a chance to prove themselves. And furthermore he has said many times that he doesn't want to buy players just to buy them. And he doesn't buy superstars but he create them.

 

[FoxForceFive]

I don't think lack of transfer activities is down to money. He said when he arrive det that he would utilize the players already here and they would be given a chance to prove themselves. And furthermore he has said many times that he doesn't want to buy players just to buy them. And he doesn't buy superstars but he create them.

But we're not even buying those younger, second tier players who look like they might step up. Every time we look interested we end balking at the cost.

I admire the ethos, but I don't think there's a way round paying top money for players, if you're going for future stars, that amount will be less than already star players, but you still need to splash out serious cash.

I said a while ago that I suspected he may be waiting for a couple of players he really wants to become available, but even if that's the case, we need more than a couple, & in the meantime we're not good enough right now, & are suffering for it on the pitch now.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Agreed, plus the fact that Klopp made it clear from the beginning that the job would take years. Even so, given the way this season's going I wouldn't be surprised if the summer clearout turns out to be more far-reaching than Klopp might originally have envisaged.

He said he wouldn't be here in 4 years if we hadn't won the league.

 

[tony]

I don't think lack of transfer activities is down to money. He said when he arrive det that he would utilize the players already here and they would be given a chance to prove themselves. And furthermore he has said many times that he doesn't want to buy players just to buy them. And he doesn't buy superstars but he create them.

The cynical part of me would say that is why FSG selected him - because he has achieved on the cheap. Take Draxler for example, whilst we obviously wanted him did we miss out because we didn't make an attractive enough offer?

 

[Insignificance]

But we're not even buying those younger, second tier players who look like they might step up. Every time we look interested we end balking at the cost.

I admire the ethos, but I don't think there's a way round paying top money for players, if you're going for future stars, that amount will be less than already star players, but you still need to splash out serious cash.

I said a while ago that I suspected he may be waiting for a couple of players he really wants to become available, but even if that's the case, we need more than a couple, & in the meantime we're not good enough right now, & are suffering for it on the pitch now.

We need more than a couple, and I believe there will more than a couple. But With Klopp's philosophy in mind (he will first give the players here a chance to prove themselves, then he will only buy the ones he really wants and believe will improve us) it might also be that he has learned quite a bit about what it takes to be a hit in this League. For all I know he have had to change some criterias of what he looks for after learning that other teams will "bite your throat" whatever position they are. And it is not only Klopp coming from abroad and getting a lesson learned. Guardiola comes from teams that are used to rolling the ball around without pressure and has been forced to changes. Conte had a plan that went Down the drain, and has had to change to a philosophy were they play to the culture implemented by Mourinho and is Chelsea's Legacy. Could we do the same? Probably not With Our material (more attacking minds on and off the field as well in the stands) and we don't want to do it in the long term. Klopp wants to win by beating the others, not boring them to Death and then snatch a goal.

Let's use that goalscorer as an example. No doubt that Klopp admires Firmino and what he adds to the team. But I am pretty sure that Klopp also knows we need to produce more goals, and he gave Studge the chance to be the one adding goals. Thorughout this season that has not worked at all. I still believe that it was the right decision to keep Studge at the summer. I believe now that it would be better to ship him on the coming summer.

Another example is that Klopp rated Klavan somehow and believed his inteligent play could be an asset as backup for us. However With the way we play (exposing both flanks With fullbacks pushing high and not have Can or Grujic for that matter providing any kind of "steel" in the midfield) players like Klavan and Lucas are to slow and not good enough off the ball to be that kind of defender. We need better.

So it is a learning curve for all parts here. I still believe that it is better to stop bringing in 20 Millions of Dash players just to replace the other 20 million of Dash players we already have. We need to be patience to establish a top Level team constantly chasing titles, instead of having a instable team that qualify for the CL every now and then as well as win a cup every Third year or so.,

 

[Insignificance]

The cynical part of me would say that is why FSG selected him - because he has achieved on the cheap. Take Draxler for example, whilst we obviously wanted him did we miss out because we didn't make an attractive enough offer?

Really? Real Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United and Bayern Munich would have taken him With a heartbeat, but Klopp wanted a different Challenge than they offer. He wants to build a Club his way and not the moneymens way. FSG didn't Select him, he selected them. Do you really think he lurked around without any offers and didn't know what to do With his life, and jumped as FSG could offer him a job?

We don't know the full extent of the Draxler deal. But it is Clear Klopp will not break the bank if it is not 100% sure it will be a hit. Draxler guaranteed success here? We don't know yet. But I am more worried about Our midfield than Our attcking line.