Rafa Benitez must avoid repeating the mistakes of his predecessor Gerard Houllier if he is to turn his Liverpool side from contenders to champions, according to assistant manager Sammy Lee.
Sammy: Rafa Benitez must learn from Houllier's mistakes
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Cheers Binny.
Nice to know the similarities are acknowledged by the club, let's hope Rafa learns from them & doesnt spunk his entire budget on unproven players.
Nice to know the similarities are acknowledged by the club, let's hope Rafa learns from them & doesnt spunk his entire budget on unproven players.
Alonso, Torres, Reina, Arby, Agger Skrtel....
Can't we just accept as gospel truth that Rafa is shite when it comes to signings. I mean look at our team. Plus, when has someone like Ferguson ever signed a player who didn't work out. Jeez, you'd think he'd signed someone like Veron or Fabien Barthez. Still, at least they were unproven and cost relatively fuck all
Where's that article from, Binny? I don't understand the mathematics of it: we're meant to be signing Tevez, Silva, Barry and Johnson, who would probably cost at least £60m, yet we have only £20m plus player sales.
What I want to know is whether this journalist is simply speculating about our transfer targets and budget or whether he actually knows something. Probably the latter, but if the article was from one of the broadsheets I might take it slightly more seriously.
What I want to know is whether this journalist is simply speculating about our transfer targets and budget or whether he actually knows something. Probably the latter, but if the article was from one of the broadsheets I might take it slightly more seriously.
its quite ironic rafa had a poor summer in regards to signings last season but we did much better in the league.
hindsight is 20/20. maybe rafa felt insua wasn't ready (anyone who watched the reserves knew he patently was), reira was and is average and I've never really rated keane, I made a bet 1st day of the season keane wouldn't get 10 league goals, barring a hattrick against us I'm set to collect my money.
last summer may actually prove usually as it may show rafa he is better off buying less but buying quality. we're prett much set in every position but left midfield.
last summer may actually prove usually as it may show rafa he is better off buying less but buying quality. we're prett much set in every position but left midfield.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33694.msg873000#msg873000 date=1243070672]
Where's that article from, Binny? I don't understand the mathematics of it: we're meant to be signing Tevez, Silva, Barry and Johnson, who would probably cost at least £60m, yet we have only £20m plus player sales. [/quote]
From my calculations:
Potential Budget - 20 Million
Potential Sales - Lucas (5 million), Voronin (4 million), Babel (7 million), Leto (1 million), Anderson / Hobbs (1.5 million between them), Itandje (free), Dossena (5 million) = 23.5 million.
Total = 43.5 million.
Therefore I would agree, I think we could afford Johnson, Barry + one of Tevez or Silva, but not both.
Having said that...
It has been rumours that Portsmouth owe us around 8 million on the Crouch deal, therefore Johnson could be closer to 5 million than the 15 million mark.
Tevez might be available on a loan deal and maybe there is room to negotiate on the price, given he wants to stay in the North West and England given his family are settled and he clearly loves the Premiership. Not to mention the Mascherano factor.
Plus if we did sign Tevez and Silva, I don't think we'd need Riera, Kuyt and Benayoun. One of these three players could leave as Tevez can play wide left or right (as well as upfront or supporting striker), Silva can play on both flanks, Gerrard can play in numberous roles as we know. Therefore potentially an extra fee from Riera or Benayoun (who I wouldn't like to see sold) could be added to the budget.
However generally I agree, I can't see us being able to afford all four players. Think it is more likely Barry, Johnson plus either Tevez or Silva... not both.
I see Sturridge hasn't agreed a new contract at City and is available on a free. Maybe we could see Johnson, Barry, Sturridge and Silva as more feasible?!
Where's that article from, Binny? I don't understand the mathematics of it: we're meant to be signing Tevez, Silva, Barry and Johnson, who would probably cost at least £60m, yet we have only £20m plus player sales. [/quote]
From my calculations:
Potential Budget - 20 Million
Potential Sales - Lucas (5 million), Voronin (4 million), Babel (7 million), Leto (1 million), Anderson / Hobbs (1.5 million between them), Itandje (free), Dossena (5 million) = 23.5 million.
Total = 43.5 million.
Therefore I would agree, I think we could afford Johnson, Barry + one of Tevez or Silva, but not both.
Having said that...
It has been rumours that Portsmouth owe us around 8 million on the Crouch deal, therefore Johnson could be closer to 5 million than the 15 million mark.
Tevez might be available on a loan deal and maybe there is room to negotiate on the price, given he wants to stay in the North West and England given his family are settled and he clearly loves the Premiership. Not to mention the Mascherano factor.
Plus if we did sign Tevez and Silva, I don't think we'd need Riera, Kuyt and Benayoun. One of these three players could leave as Tevez can play wide left or right (as well as upfront or supporting striker), Silva can play on both flanks, Gerrard can play in numberous roles as we know. Therefore potentially an extra fee from Riera or Benayoun (who I wouldn't like to see sold) could be added to the budget.
However generally I agree, I can't see us being able to afford all four players. Think it is more likely Barry, Johnson plus either Tevez or Silva... not both.
I see Sturridge hasn't agreed a new contract at City and is available on a free. Maybe we could see Johnson, Barry, Sturridge and Silva as more feasible?!
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=33694.msg873022#msg873022 date=1243072788]
Keane scored 5 League goals for us, and has 3 for Spurs vs 'boro Sunderland and Citeh, that puts him on 8 and he needs 2 against us not 3 for 10.
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it's 10+ not 10.
Keane scored 5 League goals for us, and has 3 for Spurs vs 'boro Sunderland and Citeh, that puts him on 8 and he needs 2 against us not 3 for 10.
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it's 10+ not 10.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33694.msg873011#msg873011 date=1243072055]
hindsight is 20/20. maybe rafa felt insua wasn't ready (anyone who watched the reserves knew he patently was), reira was and is average and I've never really rated keane, I made a bet 1st day of the season keane wouldn't get 10 league goals, barring a hattrick against us I'm set to collect my money.
last summer may actually prove usually as it may show rafa he is better off buying less but buying quality. we're prett much set in every position but left midfield.
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You sure?
hindsight is 20/20. maybe rafa felt insua wasn't ready (anyone who watched the reserves knew he patently was), reira was and is average and I've never really rated keane, I made a bet 1st day of the season keane wouldn't get 10 league goals, barring a hattrick against us I'm set to collect my money.
last summer may actually prove usually as it may show rafa he is better off buying less but buying quality. we're prett much set in every position but left midfield.
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You sure?
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=33694.msg873051#msg873051 date=1243075418]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33694.msg873011#msg873011 date=1243072055]
hindsight is 20/20. maybe rafa felt insua wasn't ready (anyone who watched the reserves knew he patently was), reira was and is average and I've never really rated keane, I made a bet 1st day of the season keane wouldn't get 10 league goals, barring a hattrick against us I'm set to collect my money.
last summer may actually prove usually as it may show rafa he is better off buying less but buying quality. we're prett much set in every position but left midfield.
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You sure?
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yep I even confirmed it, barring a disaster I'm quids in. sami will take care of keane.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33694.msg873011#msg873011 date=1243072055]
hindsight is 20/20. maybe rafa felt insua wasn't ready (anyone who watched the reserves knew he patently was), reira was and is average and I've never really rated keane, I made a bet 1st day of the season keane wouldn't get 10 league goals, barring a hattrick against us I'm set to collect my money.
last summer may actually prove usually as it may show rafa he is better off buying less but buying quality. we're prett much set in every position but left midfield.
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You sure?
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yep I even confirmed it, barring a disaster I'm quids in. sami will take care of keane.
Liverpool 2 - 2 Tottenham Hotspur Keane scored 2
Game Date :: 07.10.2007
Competition :: Premier League Stadium :: Anfield
Spectators :: 43,986
Starting line-up
25 Jose Reina
17 Ãlvaro Arbeloa
3 Steve Finnan
4 Sami Hyypia
6 John Arne Riise
23 Jamie Carragher
8 Steven Gerrard
16 Jermaine Pennant
20 Javier Mascherano
9 Fernando Torres
10 Andriy Voronin
Subs
30 Charles Itandje
21 Lucas Leiva
19 Ryan Babel
11 Yossi Benayoun
18 Dirk Kuyt
Yeah Sami looked after him last time too.....
Game Date :: 07.10.2007
Competition :: Premier League Stadium :: Anfield
Spectators :: 43,986
Starting line-up
25 Jose Reina
17 Ãlvaro Arbeloa
3 Steve Finnan
4 Sami Hyypia
6 John Arne Riise
23 Jamie Carragher
8 Steven Gerrard
16 Jermaine Pennant
20 Javier Mascherano
9 Fernando Torres
10 Andriy Voronin
Subs
30 Charles Itandje
21 Lucas Leiva
19 Ryan Babel
11 Yossi Benayoun
18 Dirk Kuyt
Yeah Sami looked after him last time too.....
The article suggests Lavezzi as an alternative for Tevez or Silva? Don't quite get it. Lavezzi for Tevez iz ok,but Silva surely plays as an Attacking mid and left wing. But if the article is to be believed ,Rafa is really keen on Lavezzi isn't he?
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33694.msg873000#msg873000 date=1243070672]
Where's that article from, Binny? I don't understand the mathematics of it: we're meant to be signing Tevez, Silva, Barry and Johnson, who would probably cost at least £60m, yet we have only £20m plus player sales. [/quote]
From my calculations:
Potential Budget - 20 Million
Potential Sales - Lucas (5 million), Voronin (4 million), Babel (7 million), Leto (1 million), Anderson / Hobbs (1.5 million between them), Itandje (free), Dossena (5 million) = 23.5 million.
Total = 43.5 million.
Therefore I would agree, I think we could afford Johnson, Barry + one of Tevez or Silva, but not both.
Having said that...
It has been rumours that Portsmouth owe us around 8 million on the Crouch deal, therefore Johnson could be closer to 5 million than the 15 million mark.
Tevez might be available on a loan deal and maybe there is room to negotiate on the price, given he wants to stay in the North West and England given his family are settled and he clearly loves the Premiership. Not to mention the Mascherano factor.
Plus if we did sign Tevez and Silva, I don't think we'd need Riera, Kuyt and Benayoun. One of these three players could leave as Tevez can play wide left or right (as well as upfront or supporting striker), Silva can play on both flanks, Gerrard can play in numberous roles as we know. Therefore potentially an extra fee from Riera or Benayoun (who I wouldn't like to see sold) could be added to the budget.
However generally I agree, I can't see us being able to afford all four players. Think it is more likely Barry, Johnson plus either Tevez or Silva... not both.
I see Sturridge hasn't agreed a new contract at City and is available on a free. Maybe we could see Johnson, Barry, Sturridge and Silva as more feasible?!
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I don't think there's any way we'll get both unless Xabi is sold. And I would prefer to keep Xabi if that were the choice.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33694.msg873000#msg873000 date=1243070672]
Where's that article from, Binny? I don't understand the mathematics of it: we're meant to be signing Tevez, Silva, Barry and Johnson, who would probably cost at least £60m, yet we have only £20m plus player sales. [/quote]
From my calculations:
Potential Budget - 20 Million
Potential Sales - Lucas (5 million), Voronin (4 million), Babel (7 million), Leto (1 million), Anderson / Hobbs (1.5 million between them), Itandje (free), Dossena (5 million) = 23.5 million.
Total = 43.5 million.
Therefore I would agree, I think we could afford Johnson, Barry + one of Tevez or Silva, but not both.
Having said that...
It has been rumours that Portsmouth owe us around 8 million on the Crouch deal, therefore Johnson could be closer to 5 million than the 15 million mark.
Tevez might be available on a loan deal and maybe there is room to negotiate on the price, given he wants to stay in the North West and England given his family are settled and he clearly loves the Premiership. Not to mention the Mascherano factor.
Plus if we did sign Tevez and Silva, I don't think we'd need Riera, Kuyt and Benayoun. One of these three players could leave as Tevez can play wide left or right (as well as upfront or supporting striker), Silva can play on both flanks, Gerrard can play in numberous roles as we know. Therefore potentially an extra fee from Riera or Benayoun (who I wouldn't like to see sold) could be added to the budget.
However generally I agree, I can't see us being able to afford all four players. Think it is more likely Barry, Johnson plus either Tevez or Silva... not both.
I see Sturridge hasn't agreed a new contract at City and is available on a free. Maybe we could see Johnson, Barry, Sturridge and Silva as more feasible?!
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I don't think there's any way we'll get both unless Xabi is sold. And I would prefer to keep Xabi if that were the choice.
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=33694.msg873024#msg873024 date=1243072936]
What happened to our 64 million 'War Chest' ? as reported in a paper 2 weeks ago 🙂
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I think the speculation over what we have or don't is way off target.
- For obvious negotiating reasons.
I think Benitez will be handed £25m "new" money. He has £15m at least still up his sleeve from last years budget (Keane) and he will have a further perhaps £15m-£20 from sales of dead wood . Bunny is right, LFD is wildly out on his gross valuations, and not all those players will go.
I would say he has around £55m and if Xabi does go a lot more, hopefully he won't.
This is the year that the owners need to back him. We made a good hand at the title last year, and Benitez is in a sink or swim position with his control over the budget.
I also have to say although the yanks won't want to waste money but the odd £20m here or there in the overall finances is chicken feed, yet the returns could be significant.
regards
What happened to our 64 million 'War Chest' ? as reported in a paper 2 weeks ago 🙂
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I think the speculation over what we have or don't is way off target.
- For obvious negotiating reasons.
I think Benitez will be handed £25m "new" money. He has £15m at least still up his sleeve from last years budget (Keane) and he will have a further perhaps £15m-£20 from sales of dead wood . Bunny is right, LFD is wildly out on his gross valuations, and not all those players will go.
I would say he has around £55m and if Xabi does go a lot more, hopefully he won't.
This is the year that the owners need to back him. We made a good hand at the title last year, and Benitez is in a sink or swim position with his control over the budget.
I also have to say although the yanks won't want to waste money but the odd £20m here or there in the overall finances is chicken feed, yet the returns could be significant.
regards
Don't we also have the 15M from Keane ? Can't imagine Rafa would have let him go if he wasn't promised the cash at the end of the season on top of his annual transfer budget.
20M + 15M + player sales of ca. 15- 20M (not Xabi) should still come to ca. 50 - 55M . That's a hefty budget that will get us Johnson, Barry, Tevez or Silva and a good back up striker (very good striker if we go for Silva not Tevez).
20M + 15M + player sales of ca. 15- 20M (not Xabi) should still come to ca. 50 - 55M . That's a hefty budget that will get us Johnson, Barry, Tevez or Silva and a good back up striker (very good striker if we go for Silva not Tevez).
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=33694.msg873056#msg873056 date=1243076657]
Liverpool 2 - 2 Tottenham Hotspur Keane scored 2
Game Date :: 07.10.2007
Competition :: Premier League Stadium :: Anfield
Spectators :: 43,986
Starting line-up
25 Jose Reina
17 Ãlvaro Arbeloa
3 Steve Finnan
4 Sami Hyypia
6 John Arne Riise
23 Jamie Carragher
8 Steven Gerrard
16 Jermaine Pennant
20 Javier Mascherano
9 Fernando Torres
10 Andriy Voronin
Subs
30 Charles Itandje
21 Lucas Leiva
19 Ryan Babel
11 Yossi Benayoun
18 Dirk Kuyt
Yeah Sami looked after him last time too.....
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I'd still win the bet 🙂
Liverpool 2 - 2 Tottenham Hotspur Keane scored 2
Game Date :: 07.10.2007
Competition :: Premier League Stadium :: Anfield
Spectators :: 43,986
Starting line-up
25 Jose Reina
17 Ãlvaro Arbeloa
3 Steve Finnan
4 Sami Hyypia
6 John Arne Riise
23 Jamie Carragher
8 Steven Gerrard
16 Jermaine Pennant
20 Javier Mascherano
9 Fernando Torres
10 Andriy Voronin
Subs
30 Charles Itandje
21 Lucas Leiva
19 Ryan Babel
11 Yossi Benayoun
18 Dirk Kuyt
Yeah Sami looked after him last time too.....
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I'd still win the bet 🙂
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33694.msg873065#msg873065 date=1243078606]
Don't we also have the 15M from Keane ? Can't imagine Rafa would have let him go if he wasn't promised the cash at the end of the season on top of his annual transfer budget.
20M + 15M + player sales of ca. 15- 20M (not Xabi) should still come to ca. 50 - 55M . That's a hefty budget that will get us Johnson, Barry, Tevez or Silva and a good back up striker (very good striker if we go for Silva not Tevez).
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Possibly.
Don't we also have the 15M from Keane ? Can't imagine Rafa would have let him go if he wasn't promised the cash at the end of the season on top of his annual transfer budget.
20M + 15M + player sales of ca. 15- 20M (not Xabi) should still come to ca. 50 - 55M . That's a hefty budget that will get us Johnson, Barry, Tevez or Silva and a good back up striker (very good striker if we go for Silva not Tevez).
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Possibly.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33694.msg873000#msg873000 date=1243070672]
Where's that article from, Binny? I don't understand the mathematics of it: we're meant to be signing Tevez, Silva, Barry and Johnson, who would probably cost at least £60m, yet we have only £20m plus player sales.
What I want to know is whether this journalist is simply speculating about our transfer targets and budget or whether he actually knows something. Probably the latter, but if the article was from one of the broadsheets I might take it slightly more seriously.
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Bunny, its from the Daily Telegraph. I think they're taking into considering the potential sale of Alonso for astronomic figure?
Where's that article from, Binny? I don't understand the mathematics of it: we're meant to be signing Tevez, Silva, Barry and Johnson, who would probably cost at least £60m, yet we have only £20m plus player sales.
What I want to know is whether this journalist is simply speculating about our transfer targets and budget or whether he actually knows something. Probably the latter, but if the article was from one of the broadsheets I might take it slightly more seriously.
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Bunny, its from the Daily Telegraph. I think they're taking into considering the potential sale of Alonso for astronomic figure?
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33694.msg873065#msg873065 date=1243078606]
Don't we also have the 15M from Keane ? Can't imagine Rafa would have let him go if he wasn't promised the cash at the end of the season on top of his annual transfer budget.
20M + 15M + player sales of ca. 15- 20M (not Xabi) should still come to ca. 50 - 55M . That's a hefty budget that will get us Johnson, Barry, Tevez or Silva and a good back up striker (very good striker if we go for Silva not Tevez).
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I think that is what I said :🙂
regards
Don't we also have the 15M from Keane ? Can't imagine Rafa would have let him go if he wasn't promised the cash at the end of the season on top of his annual transfer budget.
20M + 15M + player sales of ca. 15- 20M (not Xabi) should still come to ca. 50 - 55M . That's a hefty budget that will get us Johnson, Barry, Tevez or Silva and a good back up striker (very good striker if we go for Silva not Tevez).
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I think that is what I said :🙂
regards
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33694.msg873065#msg873065 date=1243078606]
Don't we also have the 15M from Keane ? Can't imagine Rafa would have let him go if he wasn't promised the cash at the end of the season on top of his annual transfer budget.
20M + 15M + player sales of ca. 15- 20M (not Xabi) should still come to ca. 50 - 55M . That's a hefty budget that will get us Johnson, Barry, Tevez or Silva and a good back up striker (very good striker if we go for Silva not Tevez).
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I think that is what I said :🙂
regards
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Don't you roll your eyes at me young man !
Your post was the last one on the page - bad positioning, somehow I missed it !
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33694.msg873065#msg873065 date=1243078606]
Don't we also have the 15M from Keane ? Can't imagine Rafa would have let him go if he wasn't promised the cash at the end of the season on top of his annual transfer budget.
20M + 15M + player sales of ca. 15- 20M (not Xabi) should still come to ca. 50 - 55M . That's a hefty budget that will get us Johnson, Barry, Tevez or Silva and a good back up striker (very good striker if we go for Silva not Tevez).
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I think that is what I said :🙂
regards
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Don't you roll your eyes at me young man !
Your post was the last one on the page - bad positioning, somehow I missed it !
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33694.msg873227#msg873227 date=1243100177]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33694.msg873065#msg873065 date=1243078606]
Don't we also have the 15M from Keane ? Can't imagine Rafa would have let him go if he wasn't promised the cash at the end of the season on top of his annual transfer budget.
20M + 15M + player sales of ca. 15- 20M (not Xabi) should still come to ca. 50 - 55M . That's a hefty budget that will get us Johnson, Barry, Tevez or Silva and a good back up striker (very good striker if we go for Silva not Tevez).
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I think that is what I said :🙂
regards
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Don't you roll your eyes at me young man !
Your post was the last one on the page - bad positioning, somehow I missed it !
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Bet that's made Vlad's day. 😉
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33694.msg873227#msg873227 date=1243100177]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33694.msg873065#msg873065 date=1243078606]
Don't we also have the 15M from Keane ? Can't imagine Rafa would have let him go if he wasn't promised the cash at the end of the season on top of his annual transfer budget.
20M + 15M + player sales of ca. 15- 20M (not Xabi) should still come to ca. 50 - 55M . That's a hefty budget that will get us Johnson, Barry, Tevez or Silva and a good back up striker (very good striker if we go for Silva not Tevez).
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I think that is what I said :🙂
regards
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Don't you roll your eyes at me young man !
Your post was the last one on the page - bad positioning, somehow I missed it !
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Bet that's made Vlad's day. 😉
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33694.msg873265#msg873265 date=1243103734]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33694.msg873227#msg873227 date=1243100177]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33694.msg873065#msg873065 date=1243078606]
Don't we also have the 15M from Keane ? Can't imagine Rafa would have let him go if he wasn't promised the cash at the end of the season on top of his annual transfer budget.
20M + 15M + player sales of ca. 15- 20M (not Xabi) should still come to ca. 50 - 55M . That's a hefty budget that will get us Johnson, Barry, Tevez or Silva and a good back up striker (very good striker if we go for Silva not Tevez).
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I think that is what I said :🙂
regards
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Don't you roll your eyes at me young man !
Your post was the last one on the page - bad positioning, somehow I missed it !
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Bet that's made Vlad's day. 😉
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Ha ha - I think he's got a few years on me for sure, but not enough that I can't use that.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33694.msg873265#msg873265 date=1243103734]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33694.msg873227#msg873227 date=1243100177]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33694.msg873065#msg873065 date=1243078606]
Don't we also have the 15M from Keane ? Can't imagine Rafa would have let him go if he wasn't promised the cash at the end of the season on top of his annual transfer budget.
20M + 15M + player sales of ca. 15- 20M (not Xabi) should still come to ca. 50 - 55M . That's a hefty budget that will get us Johnson, Barry, Tevez or Silva and a good back up striker (very good striker if we go for Silva not Tevez).
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I think that is what I said :🙂
regards
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Don't you roll your eyes at me young man !
Your post was the last one on the page - bad positioning, somehow I missed it !
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Bet that's made Vlad's day. 😉
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Ha ha - I think he's got a few years on me for sure, but not enough that I can't use that.
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