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Honeymoon period for Jurgen is well and truly over in my view. Just read that we've conceded 45 goals in 31 games as well....I appreciate Karius and Matip haven't played the opening 2 games but that's a rather worrying stat.

Another thing is that he's using the shite that wasnt his choice.... we knew they were wank before Klopp starting managing them.

You cant polish a turd n all that
 
Another thing is that he's using the shite that wasnt his choice.... we knew they were wank before Klopp starting managing them.

You cant polish a turd n all that

It still makes for rather grim reading. He's got his own players in this summer, something everyone was constantly reminded about when we were getting battered at Watford and Swansea etc so that excuse is gone. He's also had this much discussed pre-season with his players and then of course there's no European distractions meaning more time on the training field etc so all in all you'd like to think improvement will be seen.
 
Lucas LeivaVerified account @LucasLeiva87 49m49 minutes ago
@JamesPearceEcho can you have more responsibility when you involve my name? You putting me against the fans for something I've nothing to do

Lucas wrote this apparently, in response to Pearce suggesting that Sakho could go on loan because Lucas is staying
 
It still makes for rather grim reading. He's got his own players in this summer, something everyone was constantly reminded about when we were getting battered at Watford and Swansea etc so that excuse is gone. He's also had this much discussed pre-season with his players and then of course there's no European distractions meaning more time on the training field etc so all in all you'd like to think improvement will be seen.
How many of 'Klopp's Players' started vs. Burnley ? How many Euro games have been played this season ? How many players came back late from the Euros/Copa America ? I don't think the phrase 'give him time' should be measured in just a few months. It may be 2-3 more transfer windows before the transformation is complete.
 
It still makes for rather grim reading. He's got his own players in this summer, something everyone was constantly reminded about when we were getting battered at Watford and Swansea etc so that excuse is gone. He's also had this much discussed pre-season with his players and then of course there's no European distractions meaning more time on the training field etc so all in all you'd like to think improvement will be seen.
Are you saying that he was making excuses about it not being his team back then? Have you got quotes?
 
There can be no excuses now for not only getting beaten at Burnley but looking fucking clueless while we're doing it. So sick of it. We still have a squad bloated with dipshits.
 
It still makes for rather grim reading. He's got his own players in this summer, something everyone was constantly reminded about when we were getting battered at Watford and Swansea etc so that excuse is gone. He's also had this much discussed pre-season with his players and then of course there's no European distractions meaning more time on the training field etc so all in all you'd like to think improvement will be seen.


We've lost 1 game in the 1st week of the season, in which only 1 of his buys for defence has played....

Cut the guy a little slack, the boys are still getting up to speed at this point of the season.
 
How many of 'Klopp's Players' started vs. Burnley ? How many Euro games have been played this season ? How many players came back late from the Euros/Copa America ? I don't think the phrase 'give him time' should be measured in just a few months. It may be 2-3 more transfer windows before the transformation is complete.

I'm still expecting significant improvements to be seen this season. It's that simple and Klopp's confident words in pre-season for the season ahead to be more than just empty words. He's had almost a year now, we've had some great moments under him and he can clearly deliver a big performance in a big game which is great but we've also seen some dreadful showings and fair enough it was never going to be plain sailing given the circumstances but he's had his summer now...he's bought on a number of new players and he should know what this League is about so really the pressure is on. Not as in we need to wipe the floor with everyone and win the League but make no mistake if we've blown our chance of 4th early doors this season again, serious questions will need be asked,
 
The loan only makes sense if we really want rid of him but just can't find someone to buy him now.

I'm not exactly enthralled with our other CB options - Matip being excluded because I've never seen him play - so i wouldn't be in a rush to get rid of Sakho.

Agree. Wouldn't be against selling him if Klopp has decided to cut his losses, bUT don't see a comeback from a loan.
 
"Mamadou Sakho has been cleared once and for all of being a drugs cheat". Good news, eh, everyone?
 
Bascombe reporting a possible loan to Stoke:

Sakho, meanwhile, has been offered an escape route by Mark Hughes and the Stoke manager is hopeful of concluding a deal before the transfer deadline.
Sakho is free to leave Liverpool on a temporary basis after falling out of favour with Klopp.
Klopp ordered the 26-year-old home from Liverpool’s pre-season tour of the United States for disciplinary reasons, while Sakho has missed the start of the season with a heel injury.
It was the latest controversy in a difficult year for the defender, after he was initially banned for failing a drugs test before Uefa exonerated him during the summer.
Liverpool have stressed they have no plans to offload Sakho permanently but want to arrange a loan move for him to build up his fitness.
Hughes is determined to bring in defensive cover, with Stoke conceding four goals against Manchester City on Saturday, and Sakho has emerged as a realistic target.
Stoke have endured a frustrating summer, with only Joe Allen and Ramadan Sobhi arriving so far, but want to make at least two more signings.
 
We won't know that for ages yet though. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay previous to start getting apprehensive about it at such an early stage in the season.
I've noticed the use of "previous" as a substitute for "premature" on these boards lately, not surprising given the fraternity of cavemen SCM is. But I never thought You would stoop so low. Please reconsider, the human race kind of depends on it.
 
I'm not sure what Klopp's seeing in this squad defensively to sell Skittles and Smith, and loan out Flanno and Sakho. We still don't even have a reliable left back.
 
What does everyone think of our general treatment of Sakho?

We banned him before the FA did, he got booted out of the training camp, he hasn't been given a look in since in any friendlies and has subsequently ended up injured again. Now we're touting him for a loan, to get him back up to speed, which is bollocks for "he might rebuild his reputation so we can get a half decent fee next Summer".

His attitude has been questioned, I personally don't rate him that highly either. If he was someone who didn't really fit into the new regime, then this has all been a bit convenient for the club/Klopp though, no?
 
When Klopp first arrived he seemed to rate Sakho. He picked him, even gave him the armband once or twice and had some very nice things to say about him. Something's gone badly wrong somewhere along the line.
 
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