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None of have any idea how Dalglish would get on. Saying he is our "only hope" (for what exactly?) is a bit dramatic to say the least.
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He'd get on better than Woy.

And would be an agreed short-term appointment who would then move aside when we get new owners and money to spend, which will allow us to attract a higher calibre of manager than... well, than Woy fucking Hodgson.

Logic. It'll help you.
 
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=40525.msg1116152#msg1116152 date=1276071887]
Fulham have been playing good football with Roy managing, at the very least he get our players to enjoy playing again and the fans on his side quickly. If he pulls that off after a few games we could gather momentum and have a good season.

*That's optimistic but after last season what else could possibly go wrong?
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Granted they've had "success" relative to Fulham for the last couple of seasons, but "good football"?

The Fulham I've seen have been built upon tight defensive lines and a target man up front. They're "solid" but not easy on the eye. Anyone thinking that Woy will at least give us some relief from Rafa's safety first approach had better think again on last season's evidence.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40525.msg1116181#msg1116181 date=1276073781]

Granted they've had "success" relative to Fulham for the last couple of seasons, but "good football"?

The Fulham I've seen have been built upon tight defensive lines and a target man up front. They're "solid" but not easy on the eye. Anyone thinking that Woy will at least give us some relief from Rafa's safety first approach had better think again on last season's evidence.
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I agree with this. Nice flowing attacking football is unlikely under Woy.
 
Yep Roy has his defence nice and narrow, his midfield playing just in front of them and his two strikers drop on to the opposition centre mids and they spring and counter you from deep. Uninspiring stuff.
 
I can see where Brendan is coming from, and as I said earlier a high profile manager might have been what we wanted, but reality is different.
Part of the concerns about Hodgson, is will he, and his appointment, on a short contract (if it does happen), convince Gerrard and Torres to stay, or would they be more likely to with Kenny?
I don't think it would make any difference, the manager is the biggest issue at the moment as far as that goes , it's money.
Sad to say but I think Hodgson is likely to be a better "manager" in the true sense than Kenny, yes Kenny has the background and the history and legend status.
Hodgson will be the safe pair of hands we need, and I honestly do believe we stand a better chance than with Rafa of pushing back to that fourth spot, and out of the real list , the most palatable by some way.
I would have been surprised and disappointed if Torres went this year, but if matters do not improve, or be seen to head that way he could be off next summer, or sooner, and Gerrard, I thought he was going, I now have a feeling he will stay possibly on the same basis, unless he lifts the World Cup and then I think he would be more content.
Though I think it would be appropriate to give Kenny a higher profile role than "ambassador"

regards


PS oh, don't lose sight of this lads.....good football is winning football and not being beaten 19 times football
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40525.msg1116173#msg1116173 date=1276072870]
None of have any idea how Dalglish would get on. Saying he is our "only hope" (for what exactly?) is a bit dramatic to say the least.
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He'd get on better than Woy.

And would be an agreed short-term appointment who would then move aside when we get new owners and money to spend, which will allow us to attract a higher calibre of manager than... well, than Woy fucking Hodgson.

Logic. It'll help you.
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And removing the sensationalism will help you. We're not going to be offering Hodgson a contract like we handed Benitez. It will likely be a short-term deal, which any new owners could rip up if they pleased.


Budda - Spot on. The shape Fulham's teams keep and the way they close players down is similar to how Benitez goes about things. Anyone expecting champagne football needs to think again. We'll be a pretty similar side to the one before it, but with less of the mental decisions.
 
Budda - Spot on. The shape Fulham's teams keep and the way they close players down is similar to how Benitez goes about things. Anyone expecting champagne football needs to think again. We'll be a pretty similar side to the one before it, but with less of the mental decisions.
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And less of the good players.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40525.msg1116192#msg1116192 date=1276074835]
Budda - Spot on. The shape Fulham's teams keep and the way they close players down is similar to how Benitez goes about things. Anyone expecting champagne football needs to think again. We'll be a pretty similar side to the one before it, but with less of the mental decisions.
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And less of the good players.
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We don't know who was going to walk if Rafa stayed, we don't know who is going to walk now he has gone, regardless of Kenny or Hodgson being the manager, the only manager I don't think there would have been an issue with would have been Mourninho.
But it's not as if we were getting the best out of the good players anyway Bren. Look at the argument last week, Rafa's squad was being bigged-up for sending 13 players to the world cup, but on the other side of the coin how did a squad like that lose 19 games and come 7th?

regards
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40525.msg1116149#msg1116149 date=1276071530]
Uncle Woy is about the right standard of appointment for a club that came 7th, will lose some of their best players, and has no money
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Completely. It's just such a bloody comedown, though. It's like you've just had a messy night out, woken up with a massive hangover, and roy's standing there with a cup of tea for you.
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That's exactly why he's what we need. There's nothing better than a cup of tea when you've got a massive hangover. Maybe he'll make us a bacon sandwich too?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40525.msg1116161#msg1116161 date=1276072322]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40525.msg1116124#msg1116124 date=1276069217]
For all those who wanted Rafa out and are now booing about the likely appointment being Roy, what the fuck did you expect?

If he can get us back into the top 4 then he'll of done a good job, and with the players available to him right now he has a decent chance of doing that.
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In fairness, when I did that "next manager" poll recently, (including Benitez, McLeish, Uncle Woy and MONg), 50% of the site plumped for Benitez, more than twice as many who went for Woy.

Now that 50% probably had a few of his dwindling army of fans in it, but I would wager it had far more people who thought Benitez had been a fucking disaster last season, but knew full well we wouldn't get anyone better, so voted for him.

So let's leave the "haha told you so's" out for the moment. Most of us KNEW this was going to happen.

Our only hope now is King Kenny as caretaker until the club is sold. Otherwise we are truly fucked.
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It was far from a "haha told you so's" post Bren, it was more of a "shut the fuck up complaining about it" post. It wasn's directed at the posters you mention either, it was aimed at the sack Rafa at all cost and get in the likes of Jose and Fabio mob.

I really don't get the line of thinking that unless we get Kenny in then we're fucked. Everyone knows we vastly under achieved last season, so if the new man in charge can at least get the best out of what we currently have, then we've got a good chance of doing well next season (top 4 finish).
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40525.msg1116192#msg1116192 date=1276074835]
Budda - Spot on. The shape Fulham's teams keep and the way they close players down is similar to how Benitez goes about things. Anyone expecting champagne football needs to think again. We'll be a pretty similar side to the one before it, but with less of the mental decisions.
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And less of the good players.
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Masher's wanted off for a good while. Gerrard would mainly be be leaving because of the two previous managers haven't delivered the title and whoever came in couldn't guarantee silverware, at least not until new ownership. It's not all going to be down to appointment of Hodgson.

I'd hope Dalglish was given a role on the footballing side of things, maybe assistant manager, and would convince our big stars to stay.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40525.msg1116187#msg1116187 date=1276074519]
I can see where Brendan is coming from, and as I said earlier a high profile manager might have been what we wanted, but reality is different.
Part of the concerns about Hodgson, is will he, and his appointment, on a short contract (if it does happen), convince Gerrard and Torres to stay, or would they be more likely to with Kenny?
I don't think it would make any difference, the manager is the biggest issue at the moment as far as that goes , it's money.
Sad to say but I think Hodgson is likely to be a better "manager" in the true sense than Kenny, yes Kenny has the background and the history and legend status.
Hodgson will be the safe pair of hands we need, and I honestly do believe we stand a better chance than with Rafa of pushing back to that fourth spot, and out of the real list , the most palatable by some way.
I would have been surprised and disappointed if Torres went this year, but if matters do not improve, or be seen to head that way he could be off next summer, or sooner, and Gerrard, I thought he was going, I now have a feeling he will stay possibly on the same basis, unless he lifts the World Cup and then I think he would be more content.
Though I think it would be appropriate to give Kenny a higher profile role than "ambassador"

regards


PS oh, don't lose sight of this lads.....good football is winning football and not being beaten 19 times football


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Great post Vlad. I agree with every word.
 
I think this Hodgson vs Dalglish is only a smokescreen.

Maybe the board is talking to someone else like O'Neill or Klinsmann.
 
I'm not enamoured about the approval of Roy but I'm probably in a little denial around the state of our club. Brendan is right - we finished 7th and he manages at that level.

If he's our manager I'll obviously give him my full support but doesn't mean I have to be happy about it currently. Maybe he'll be a success. Maybe he won't. Only time will tell I guess.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40525.msg1116202#msg1116202 date=1276075618]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=40525.msg1116187#msg1116187 date=1276074519]
I can see where Brendan is coming from, and as I said earlier a high profile manager might have been what we wanted, but reality is different.
Part of the concerns about Hodgson, is will he, and his appointment, on a short contract (if it does happen), convince Gerrard and Torres to stay, or would they be more likely to with Kenny?
I don't think it would make any difference, the manager is the biggest issue at the moment as far as that goes , it's money.
Sad to say but I think Hodgson is likely to be a better "manager" in the true sense than Kenny, yes Kenny has the background and the history and legend status.
Hodgson will be the safe pair of hands we need, and I honestly do believe we stand a better chance than with Rafa of pushing back to that fourth spot, and out of the real list , the most palatable by some way.
I would have been surprised and disappointed if Torres went this year, but if matters do not improve, or be seen to head that way he could be off next summer, or sooner, and Gerrard, I thought he was going, I now have a feeling he will stay possibly on the same basis, unless he lifts the World Cup and then I think he would be more content.
Though I think it would be appropriate to give Kenny a higher profile role than "ambassador"

regards


PS oh, don't lose sight of this lads.....good football is winning football and not being beaten 19 times football


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Great post Vlad. I agree with every word.

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You obviously realised I meant to say the manager is not the biggest issue, it's money. 😉



regards
 
I agree that Hodgson is not a particularly exciting choice, and if we are looking for a safe pair of hands we might be better off going for Kenny, but Hodgson isn't a bad manager by any means.

I know his success in Scandinavia is considered a bit of a joke but he did do very well there, he was manager of Inter Milan, he did very well as Switzerland manager and I think he also managed a couple of other international sides. We all know how well he has done at Fulham, where he also made some pretty astute signings, something Benitez was rightly criticised for not doing.

Not saying he will be our saviour but Hodgson might just surprise a few people
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40525.msg1116192#msg1116192 date=1276074835]
Budda - Spot on. The shape Fulham's teams keep and the way they close players down is similar to how Benitez goes about things. Anyone expecting champagne football needs to think again. We'll be a pretty similar side to the one before it, but with less of the mental decisions.
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And less of the good players.
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Grand so, the few times I saw Fulham in Europe they had Duff, Dempsey, Gera and Murphy playing quick passes, making runs and Zamora was creating space for those four coming forward. The left back was also getting forward a good bit too.

In contrast to Liverpool who had Torres/N'gog supported by Gerrard and sometimes Johnson it was good to see a team moving forward.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that we will finish higher than 7th next season, regardless of who we bring in as manager.
 
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=40525.msg1116224#msg1116224 date=1276078138]
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that we will finish higher than 7th next season, regardless of who we bring in as manager.
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we would have finished 6th simply by winning the last game of the season.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40525.msg1116252#msg1116252 date=1276081170]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=40525.msg1116224#msg1116224 date=1276078138]
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that we will finish higher than 7th next season, regardless of who we bring in as manager.
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we would have finished 6th simply by winning the last game of the season.
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Given our season it is safe to say that it was less than 50% chance of winning that one.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40525.msg1116382#msg1116382 date=1276093934]
5th, 6th or 7th really makes no difference. It's top 4 or nowhere.
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Indeed. I think that is do-able though

We could have sewn up 4th place last season. We fucked up against the teams we should have beaten, it wasn't as if we were fighting a losing battle to the best of our ability was it?

Obviously a lot depends on how the likes of City, Spurs and Villa react this summer though. I hope our fuck ups last year won't have too long an impact on what we can aim for
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40525.msg1116382#msg1116382 date=1276093934]
5th, 6th or 7th really makes no difference. It's top 4 or nowhere.
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I see you're point, but we have to play a lot, lot more games in the Europa Cup now.

The Europa cup was all well and good when we only had to beat some shit teams to get to the final, but it's going to seem a right bitch this year.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40525.msg1116398#msg1116398 date=1276094437]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=40525.msg1116382#msg1116382 date=1276093934]
5th, 6th or 7th really makes no difference. It's top 4 or nowhere.
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I see you're point, but we have to play a lot, lot more games in the Europa Cup now.

The Europa cup was all well and good when we only had to beat some shit teams to get to the final, but it's going to seem a right bitch this year.
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I don't think it was ever well or good. It was fucking awful even then.

But yes, you are right.
 
KOPTALK can exclusively reveal that Roy Hodgson has been appointed as the new manager of Liverpool Football Club.
The Fulham manager was always the bookies favourite to land the job despite the Reds having considered several alternatives including former Real Madrid coach Manuel Pellegrini.
Liverpool legend Kenny Dalglish wanted the job but was turned down flat by the current Anfield board. One of Hodgson's first jobs will be to try and persuade his friend to remain at the club.
Dalglish has so far rejected the opportunity to be appointed as Director of Football but maybe he will reconsider when things settle down.
Hodgson has agreed terms with Liverpool managing director Christian Purslow but no official announcement will be made until Fulham and Liverpool finalise a compensation payment.
Later today Hodgson is due to talk to senior members of the Liverpool coaching staff to help him come to a decision as to who should be his assistant.
Hodgson is not on Merseyside at this time and is unlikely to be until everything is official. That doesn't need to be rushed though with Liverpool's players currently down in South Africa or away on their holidays.
Although Liverpool have finally found their new manager, there's still no sign of any new owners. As previously reported by KOPTALK, Liverpool have recently lost Sheikh Khalifa of Abu Dhabi and at least one Indian bidder as a result of the ridiculous valuation of the club.
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Its amazing how you can get such information from standing on top of a bin on the outside of a wall at Melwood.
 
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=40525.msg1125747#msg1125747 date=1277392121]
Its amazing how you can get such information from standing on top of a bin on the outside of a wall at Melwood.
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Hahaha.
 
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