I swear that the owners only got him in so they could have someone at the club who was easier to hate than them. He's the perfect fall guy really.
Roy Hodgson is a fucking cunt
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I swear that the owners only got him in so they could have someone at the club who was easier to hate than them. He's the perfect fall guy really.
Who does? Apart from braindead Chelsea fans (probably), I haven't heard anyone on here back him, most people know he's a hapless, ambitionless twat who will have minimal bearing on any success we might (unlikely) have, it's amazing how the fans of every other country always seem quick to label us as overambitious and deluded, yet now we're basking in the quotes of a football dinosaur who has zero ambition. Whatever.
He's just a professional expectation lowerer these days, the man you want if you don't think the team has a chance.
Liverpool - no money, shit owners, high fan expectations - hire Roy to bring the fans into line with reality
England - lot of big players ending their careers, unlikely to succeed, fans expect - hire Roy to bring the fans down
Was it West Brom in-between? He was probably hired to prepare the fans incase the worst happened.
He might suit England in some weird way but thank fuck he's away from Liverpool, his time was like a bad dream.
Liverpool - no money, shit owners, high fan expectations - hire Roy to bring the fans into line with reality
England - lot of big players ending their careers, unlikely to succeed, fans expect - hire Roy to bring the fans down
Was it West Brom in-between? He was probably hired to prepare the fans incase the worst happened.
He might suit England in some weird way but thank fuck he's away from Liverpool, his time was like a bad dream.
He doesn't get slaughtered in the press or media or on TV. In fact, he gets lauded as some footballing guru. Watch ITV's coverage of the next friendly. I haven't heard anybody outside of people on this board (admittedly, I tend not to converse with football fans outside of this city - especially England fans) criticise him. He seems to have successfully lowered expectations to the point of making everybody believe that England is just there to make up the numbers, and being there is a toastworthy achievement. An exercise he tried, and failed miserably, at Liverpool. But here he is doing it successfully at the national team - most likely because he's chummy with a few writers.
I don't think there's any doubt he's got loads of allies in the media. It was obvious he did when he was with us.
What puzzles me is why?
I reckon it's simply because he's pleasant and cooperative with them. Scando posters on here have drawn an interesting contrast with the way he's perceived by the media in their neck of the woods, where his relationship with the media was rather different when he worked there and his reputation reflects that even now.
This. No England manager has had a ride this easy since El Tel.
TBF he did win five league titles in Sweeden in the 80's, not much of an achievement, but big potatoes there I suppose
Would really hope so, hes somehow manipulated it into having 2 free shots at tournaments, what England manager has ever been afforded that privilege?
Should be quater finals minimum or hes out.
Call it deluded but England should be looking at making the final of Euro 16, probably need another top defender from somewhere but theres some massive talent in the front 6 positions.
Call it deluded but England should be looking at making the final of Euro 16, probably need another top defender from somewhere but theres some massive talent in the front 6 positions.
I don't hate him, nor do I think he's a "cunt", I just can't understand his managerial approach.
Let's leave aside his tactics for now, cos we had a year of that fucking eye-rape.
How he talks, publicly, about his players is utterly baffling. Case in point; Barkley the other night. I watched that game, and I like to think I've got a fucking notion about football, and I felt Barkely was by far the most exciting and dangerous player on the ground. Took the game on, caused untold havoc, setup the goal from a daring, adventurous run, and seemed the only player on the pitch capable of doing something, well, different. Add that to his season with Everton, and it's safe to say he's just a rare talent that comes along very very seldom.
Here's Hodgson's post match comments about him:
“He’s got drive, he’s got energy. But he’s got a lot to learn as well, not least of all when he needs to release the ball, when he can turn with it, when he just needs to secure it, because for every good turn there was a time when he lost the ball and put us on the back foot defensively.”
“He’s a talented boy. I’m not criticising him. I’m just making certain that people don’t get too carried away. Because unfortunately we know also it’s too easy to concentrate on the good things. You would need to watch the game again for 90 minutes through my eyes and see the performance as a whole and not just the cameo moments where he did brilliantly. That’s the point I’m making. He’s not here ‘to learn’."
Ross Barkley is 20 years of age. 20. He's a fucking child. And that's what his manager has to say about him. Don't want for the insatiable media to build you up and knock you down, your own fucking international manager has already done it.
You Hodgson, you fucking negative bellend. You fucking picked him. Don't start this defeatist bullshit about how he's not there to learn, because you fucking selected him. If you didn't think he was the finished product, don't put him in your squad.
But more to the point, how do you feel right now if you're Ross Barkley? What's he gonna do next time he gets on the ground? He's gonna shit himself at the thought of making a mistake or losing the ball. Do you think Ronaldo, Suarez and Messi never lose the ball? What a pathetic statement to make about a player like him. Why not encourage the kid, drill confidence into him, tell him to take a risk? Nah, fuck that - let's try and turn him into Christian Poulsen.
He's got form here Hodsgon. Did the exact same thing with Glenjo and Joe Cole when we was with us.
I do not get it. What a pathetic way to manage young kids.
Let's leave aside his tactics for now, cos we had a year of that fucking eye-rape.
How he talks, publicly, about his players is utterly baffling. Case in point; Barkley the other night. I watched that game, and I like to think I've got a fucking notion about football, and I felt Barkely was by far the most exciting and dangerous player on the ground. Took the game on, caused untold havoc, setup the goal from a daring, adventurous run, and seemed the only player on the pitch capable of doing something, well, different. Add that to his season with Everton, and it's safe to say he's just a rare talent that comes along very very seldom.
Here's Hodgson's post match comments about him:
“He’s got drive, he’s got energy. But he’s got a lot to learn as well, not least of all when he needs to release the ball, when he can turn with it, when he just needs to secure it, because for every good turn there was a time when he lost the ball and put us on the back foot defensively.”
“He’s a talented boy. I’m not criticising him. I’m just making certain that people don’t get too carried away. Because unfortunately we know also it’s too easy to concentrate on the good things. You would need to watch the game again for 90 minutes through my eyes and see the performance as a whole and not just the cameo moments where he did brilliantly. That’s the point I’m making. He’s not here ‘to learn’."
Ross Barkley is 20 years of age. 20. He's a fucking child. And that's what his manager has to say about him. Don't want for the insatiable media to build you up and knock you down, your own fucking international manager has already done it.
You Hodgson, you fucking negative bellend. You fucking picked him. Don't start this defeatist bullshit about how he's not there to learn, because you fucking selected him. If you didn't think he was the finished product, don't put him in your squad.
But more to the point, how do you feel right now if you're Ross Barkley? What's he gonna do next time he gets on the ground? He's gonna shit himself at the thought of making a mistake or losing the ball. Do you think Ronaldo, Suarez and Messi never lose the ball? What a pathetic statement to make about a player like him. Why not encourage the kid, drill confidence into him, tell him to take a risk? Nah, fuck that - let's try and turn him into Christian Poulsen.
He's got form here Hodsgon. Did the exact same thing with Glenjo and Joe Cole when we was with us.
I do not get it. What a pathetic way to manage young kids.
Oh yes he did. Just checked - late sub against Borussia Monchengladbach.
Excellent post Ryan.
It's the complete opposite to Rodgers, he applauds players, especially younger players, for trying the risky balls & takes responsibility when it puts us on the back foot, meaning players can express themselves without fear.
I've no doubt he drills them on why it didn't work, or if there's a more opportune time to try it etc behind closed doors, but in public & immediately after games he praises it.
Roy will always castigate players for losing the ball cos he will always be safety first in his mind, no matter who he has in the side.
It's the complete opposite to Rodgers, he applauds players, especially younger players, for trying the risky balls & takes responsibility when it puts us on the back foot, meaning players can express themselves without fear.
I've no doubt he drills them on why it didn't work, or if there's a more opportune time to try it etc behind closed doors, but in public & immediately after games he praises it.
Roy will always castigate players for losing the ball cos he will always be safety first in his mind, no matter who he has in the side.
Everything Hodgson says is an attempt to convince the world (and indeed himself) that he knows what he's doing whilst simultaneously making an excuse for his inevitable failure.
His entire being is composed of fear, and he tries to instil that in his players. His attitude towards Barkley is a case in point. Suggesting that he's protecting him from the weight of expectation whilst knocking him for losing the ball too often. "What if he loses the ball and the opponent counters and scores?" (I'm paraphrasing). What if he, I don't know, goes on a mazy run and sets up a goal? Of course, one of those things happened and one didn't. Yet Hodgson's focus remained, as ever, on the fear that envelops him. If it was left to Woy, he would coach the talent right out of Barkley.
Years ago, I used to really get behind England, but I just can't any more. The expectation of failure is ingrained, to the point that England is actually going to a World Cup with Roy Hodgson as its manager. I mean, it beggars belief.
His entire being is composed of fear, and he tries to instil that in his players. His attitude towards Barkley is a case in point. Suggesting that he's protecting him from the weight of expectation whilst knocking him for losing the ball too often. "What if he loses the ball and the opponent counters and scores?" (I'm paraphrasing). What if he, I don't know, goes on a mazy run and sets up a goal? Of course, one of those things happened and one didn't. Yet Hodgson's focus remained, as ever, on the fear that envelops him. If it was left to Woy, he would coach the talent right out of Barkley.
Years ago, I used to really get behind England, but I just can't any more. The expectation of failure is ingrained, to the point that England is actually going to a World Cup with Roy Hodgson as its manager. I mean, it beggars belief.
I think people are quite disrespectful here. After all Hodgson won the league with Malmø and later had a decent season with Halmstad. He has been coaching many good teams as Viking and Grasshoppers, Nd he took Finland away from last in their qualification group. Dont forget that he was close to a memorable draw with Everton when he was with us!!! To think we should ever got something from that ga.e would be surrealistic!!!
Yup, I read that Messi lost the ball more than any other player in La Liga. I've a feeling Suarez is right up there in the charts too.
The good thing for Barkley is that he'll likely have had Martinez on the phone telling him how boss he is and to keep it going, cause I think Martinez is the type of manager that does that.
However..
I'm probably in the minority here but I agree with Hodge podge. Not about him going public about it like a bellend but in the fact that Barkley tends to be far too greedy on many, many occasions - pretty much every time I've seen him play, though I didn't see the England game. He'll be a monster of a player if he can gain that bit of awareness the top players tend to have.
This thread (and in particular it's title) is a bit embarrassing if I'm honest. He might not be everyones cup of tea and he certainly wasn't ours but "cunt"??? FFS
Yep, and this is what irritates, England should never be going into tournaments expecting to just make up the numbers and to expect failure, its a losers mentality and you just as well not bother turning up if you have that mindset.
Yeah theres the expectation excuse and that these high expectations have cost England in the past, quite frankly bollocks imo, there should be expectations of doing well and going deep into these tournaments, England is a huge football country after all so why shouldn't we expect our football team to do well? there was sky high expectations in 96 and they done really well.
Whats really cost England in the past is not expectations and players not being good enough, its penalty fucking shoot outs and not really ever getting the rub of the green in the last 20 years.
Really not meaning to go all David Moyes with the luck excuse but just take a look how winning just a couple of penalty shoot outs or getting the rub of the green ( Sol Campbells headers ) could have made Englands recent record look a lot more respectable...
1990 WC - Semi finals - win a penalty shoot out and theres a World Cup final appearance and a great chance to win the whole thing.
1992 EC - Shite, No excuses.
1994 WC - Shite, Not even there.
1996 EC - Semi finals, same as 1990, such fine margins with some of those late chances also, no way do that England team lose to the Czechs at Wembley if they had made the final.
1998 WC - last 16 - a good England team who did believe and fought like their lives depended on it after Beckham stupidness left them in the shit, Sol Campbells last minute header gets given on another day but not this time, of course go on to lose on penalties again denying a shot at a very good Dutch team in the quarters.
2000 EC - Group Stage - Sort of strange unpredictable England team, if it wasn't for Phil Neville being an utter plank and having one of the biggest brain farts ever then England would at least have got out of the group, no complaints about this tournament though.
2002 - WC - Quarter final - Dont know what Beckham was playing at in the lead up to the equaliser and that free kick was a joke to concede, Brazil had 10 men for a decent bit of that 2nd half as well, no complaints about this game really but that was a massive opportunity missed with Turkey waiting in the semi final.
2004 - EC - Quarter final - An on fire almost unplayable Rooney gets injured early on after England had scored early, eventually concede late on, Campbell again has a last minute header disallowed which again could easily have been given, home town decision if ever there was one that, of course bottle the penalty shoot out, this was a game to feel genuinely aggrieved about losing, if Rooney stays fit theres every chance England go all the way especially when you consider Greece in the final.
2006 - WC - Quarter final - another opportunity blown of a WC semi final thanks to being incapable of holding their shit together for a penalty shoot out, Rooney stupidly falling into the Beckham trap didn't help either, prat.
2008 - EC - Shite, not even there.
2010 - WC last 16 - No excuses, even with Lampards goal, dismal stuff.
2012 - EC - Quarter finals - No excuses although yet another penalty shoot out bottle job to miss out on a semi final.
Excuses, excuses, excuses, ifs, buts and maybes, ha!
All i think is that there are myths and bullshit about the England team/s and that the perception of the team would be diffferent if they had just managed to win a couple of shoot outs and maybe the odd bit of luck (eg - Campbells headers, Rooney not getting injured), not even that tbh, just to have a 50/50 record in shoot outs would have been enough.
Never bought into England not having good enough players to do well, the players have always been there more or less, its just that the main problem is they are incapable of holding their nerve when it comes to penalties, imagine if it was the opposite and England were like Germany when it game to penalties, everything would be totally different.
Luck is a good thing, don't knock it.
Although, we've been on the other end of it, hand of God goal, Lampards over the line etc etc
Better to be lucky than good, a philosopher I can't remember, may have said.
Indeed, no team wins a WC or EC without any.
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