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Rafael Benítez will blame everyone but himself for Liverpool's plight

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Once sports hacks get a sense of a big article, an obituary style piece, and then they have to spike it (e.g after the manc game, which is literally what happened), it's like they have an enormous fart they just have to expel but are in too public a place. So the odd parp peeps out as they wait impatiently, red-faced, for the BIG Moment to arrive. What they should do is take a deflatin tablet and get on with their work.
 
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Once sports hacks get a sense of a big article, an obituary style piece, and then they have to spike it (e.g after the manc game, which is literally what happened), it's like they have an enormous fart they just have to expel but are in too public a place. So the odd parp peeps out as they wait impatiently, red-faced, for the BIG Moment to arrive. What they should do is take a deflatin tablet and get on with their work.
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It wouldnt really sell papers though would it.
 
The part that is understandable is that these journalists have to write so much at a ridiculous speed (the post-match report, for example, can't be anything but a dog's dinner, given the fact the first draft often has to be sent in before the final whistle is blown), the 'big' article is very precious to them. When, for example, they get the chance to do an interview for a major profile, they often over-egg the piece because they sit down and think, 'Now I'll show everyone I'm a good writer!' Look at Samuels' longer pieces - the book of quotations comes out, the peculiar metaphors, the 'writerly' phrases, etc - and some of Winter's efforts (which have been mocked in Private Eye for his repetitious, Stuart Hall-like allusions). When, therefore, a manager seems on the brink, they again sense a 'big' piece for the portfolio. They really work on it. Then, if the manager delays his execution, they return to it, polish it up, fuss over it, feel increasingly proud of it. But no one has yet read it. That starts to really hurt and frustrate. There it is on the screen. It's one of their best. Yet that bastard manager is still there. So they start sniping at him, bitterly. THEY WANT THEIR ARTICLE PUBLISHED! That's when they lose proper perspective. The waste. It's heartbreaking. But, really, that's their problem. Brian Glanville could tell them. Sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't, but you have to retain a sense of perspective. It's no one's fault. Personally, I feel several normally sensible people like Winter are currently in this position. They're the most self-absorbed ones. Never think you've got the future already written in a Word file. Keep the mind open and the eyes open. Just report.
 
the loyal carragher who has been awful this season

Gerrard who has been worryingly injured once again, on Winter's precious England duty

the fact that we dont have class backups because of limitations of our wage bill and financial constraints over the last 2 years (i.e no net investment)

I am not surprised by our performance, when you have kids and reserves running round. What Benitez is being criticised for is not performing enough of a miracle and finding class free players. Find me a fucking manager on earth who would do a better job under those circumstances
 
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the loyal carragher who has been awful this season

Gerrard who has been worryingly injured once again, on Winter's precious England duty

the fact that we dont have class backups because of limitations of our wage bill and financial constraints over the last 2 years (i.e no net investment)

I am not surprised by our performance, when you have kids and reserves running round. What Benitez is being criticised for is not performing enough of a miracle and finding class free players. Find me a fucking manager on earth who would do a better job under those circumstances


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No he's not. People are rightfully pointing out that for a manager who is apparently financially handicapped, he has spent quite a fair bit of money on players of the likes of Babel, Dossenna, Lucas etc.
And believe me, all those youngsters are on a fair whack of a weekly wage Rebel.
 
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It's an incredibly lazy and ill-conceived article. So I can see why it strikes a chord with you, Glock.
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Yeah i bet you will be the first to admit you're Tomkin's girlfriend. Tomkins article makes me cum. Argh...

Idiot!
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Glock = Poor man's Rage....
 
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the loyal carragher who has been awful this season

Gerrard who has been worryingly injured once again, on Winter's precious England duty

the fact that we dont have class backups because of limitations of our wage bill and financial constraints over the last 2 years (i.e no net investment)

I am not surprised by our performance, when you have kids and reserves running round. What Benitez is being criticised for is not performing enough of a miracle and finding class free players. Find me a fucking manager on earth who would do a better job under those circumstances


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No he's not. People are rightfully pointing out that for a manager who is apparently financially handicapped, he has spent quite a fair bit of money on players of the likes of Babel, Dossenna, Lucas etc.
And believe me, all those youngsters are on a fair whack of a weekly wage Rebel.
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you've just pointed out some players who haven't worked out yet, every manager in the league has those. I would argue Bentiez's record of good buys is a lot better than any of his peers apart from Wenger
 
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the loyal carragher who has been awful this season

Gerrard who has been worryingly injured once again, on Winter's precious England duty

the fact that we dont have class backups because of limitations of our wage bill and financial constraints over the last 2 years (i.e no net investment)

I am not surprised by our performance, when you have kids and reserves running round. What Benitez is being criticised for is not performing enough of a miracle and finding class free players. Find me a fucking manager on earth who would do a better job under those circumstances


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No he's not. People are rightfully pointing out that for a manager who is apparently financially handicapped, he has spent quite a fair bit of money on players of the likes of Babel, Dossenna, Lucas etc.
And believe me, all those youngsters are on a fair whack of a weekly wage Rebel.
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you've just pointed out some players who haven't worked out yet, every manager in the league has those. I would argue Bentiez's record of good buys is a lot better than any of his peers apart from Wenger


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So what you're saying is you've found a manager on earth who could do a better job under the circumstances.

Over and out.
 
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So what you're saying is you've found a manager on earth who could do a better job under the circumstances.

Over and out.
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I didnt say he could do a better job, Wenger's record is very good at bringing players in but look at the facts. Benitez has out performed Wenger over the last 5 years despite their bigger squad, wages and longer serving manager so he isnt all that bad is he
 
A WINTER TALE: In reply to Henry's hatchet job on Rafa Benitez

HENRY WINTER took time out from bowing at his Alex Ferguson shrine yesterday to stick the knife in on Rafa Benitez with a laughable piece in the Telegraph.

Lauded as one of the best journalists in the land by some, the least you would expect is a fair, balanced and accurate report.

Not a bit of it.

Winter has a clear anti-Benitez agenda and it leaves his hatchet job on the Spanirard full of holes.

Now clearly after a nightmare run of six defeats in seven games, the Liverpool manager is far from bombproof - questions are being asked, and rightly so, not least as to why Yossi Benayoun was substituted in the defeat to Fulham.

But for someone like Winter, is an appreciation of the circumstances too much to ask?

He kicks off with the opening line:

"Virtually no one." So argued Jamie Carragher when asked whether Liverpool had anyone to replace Fernando Torres should the talismanic target-man miss Wednesday's Champions League tie at Lyons.

Oh no, you might think, Rafa's lost the dressing room, even Carragher is having a pop...then you read the rest of the quote which Winter decided to leave out:

“We know Fernando is not quite 100 per cent,†Carragher said. “If Fernando had got injured at the end, we would have had virtually nobody for the game in midweek but we still brought a Dutch international in Ryan Babel on. It should be enough quality.â€

Paints a different picture doesn't it? One, perhaps, that doesn't suit Winter's agenda?

Further into the article:

"His verdict is partly a compliment to Liverpool's exceptional No 9, but also an implicit indictment of the understudies assembled by Rafael Benítez. Blaming such individuals for being too poor (Andrei Voronin) or too raw (Ryan Babel, David Ngog) is pointless; culpability rests with Benítez for recruiting them while ignoring prodigal sons such as Emile Heskey and Michael Owen."

Did Winter have a straight face when he typed this? Was he sniffing glue? Heskey? The player who can't get a regular game at Aston Villa? The player who has scored TWO goals since moving to Villa Park in January? Yes, Henry, he would be ideal, wouldn't he? What a replacement for Torres. And Owen - well Winter seems to love him almost as much as he does Ferguson. From where I'm sitting, he's not setting the world alight since moving to Man United. We've been there, done that and he's a shadow of the player he was when he snubbed LFC and headed for Spain. And, despite his protests to the press, he DOES get injured a lot.

"In August, few people outside Anfield considered Liverpool to have a squad comparable to those at Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge. Benítez, as usual, will divert attention elsewhere. He will bemoan refereeing decisions, injuries, tardiness in the transfer market and the comic capers of the American co-owners."

Er, yes? Few people inside Anfield thought the squad was comparable to those at Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge either. Knock him all you want, but Benitez's counterparts have had more money in one go to spend on players - and they haven't had to sell to buy. And Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal and Manchester City pay bigger wages. Well documented. Fact or diversion? Refereeing decisions? Well they haven't helped have they? Oh and your mate Fergie, well he never moans about refs does he Henry? Winter, by the way, recently wrote a sickening defence (see here) of Ferguson's ridiculous attack on Alan Wiley, a move made with the sole aim of concealing a poor performance against Sunderland. And the owners? Well don't get me started - I wrote a huge post about them on Sunday (see here).

"He will even criticise "senior players'' such as Carragher and Steven Gerrard following the early-season loss to Aston Villa. One constant: Benítez never accepts responsibility himself."

Am I missing something? Are Carragher and Gerrard not allowed to be questioned? Carra has admitted himself he has been below-par this season. And the comment Winter refers to comes after Gerrard charged the length of the pitch to launch himself into a ridiuculous tackle that gave Aston Villa a penalty and sealed their 3-1 win at Anfield. He's blown hot and cold (when fit) so why shouldn't Rafa have a pop? As for accepting responsibility - what manager does that, name one? I'd love to see the examples of Fergie coming out to the press and saying "You know what lads, I got that wrong, it's all my fault." He's bought crap players, he's got his tactics wrong. ALL managers make mistakes, none of them admit it - why single out Benitez?

"That is why some people tire of the self-absorbed Spaniard."

For some people, clearly, read Henry Winter.

"We've heard all the excuses before. We've seen the utter reliance on Gerrard, Torres and, for all his recent woes, Carragher."

Benayoun is enjoying his most effective spell at Anfield, continuing where he left off last season. Pepe Reina is the best keeper in the league, Glen Johnson has been a quality signing, Alberto Aquilani looks promising...tired argument, Winter.

Liverpool can afford to sack Benítez. Compensation would be less than £5 million under the "mitigating the loss'' principle if he found employment, but no desire can be detected within the club for a regime change.

You seem confident he would find employment, would that be, by any chance, because he's a good manager? And it would cost £20m thereabouts if Benitez didn't find employment - so would the fiscally-challenged Hicks & Gillett be prepared to take that risk? And who would recruit the new manager - our beloved co-owners? The same people that wanted Jurgen Klinsmann? Shudder to think who they would go for this time. Finally - what world-class manager would want to come to the club right now? Why would they choose to work for owners who hate each other, at a financially-insecure club with a budget significantly less than your rivals enjoy? Alan Curbishley is available though...


"But it is known around Anfield that Purslow has talked to Benítez about his style of management, notably his cold detachment from the players"

Yawn, one of your favourites this, isn't it? When I last looked, Benitez is the manager, not the players's best friend. We've done the best mates thing with Roy Evans - it didn't work. You don't like him, get over it. Maybe Fergie will give you a cuddle...

"Sensible businesses plan for succession and any defenestration of Benítez should take place only in the close-season. Who knows? Benítez might win the FA Cup."

So after all that, your point is he should stay? Stunning.
 
I don't think Winter has had an anti-Rafa agenda. He's been positive until this season. But he has 'flipped' recently, and he's just not doing it very well. I'm quite surprised at him; it's almost as if he's preparing himself to move to the NOTW or somewhere equally horrible.
 
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Martin Samuels has won more awards, and Gerrard's book was hideously over-written.... Anyway:


"ignoring prodigal sons such as Emile Heskey and Michael Owen": 'prodigal sons' my foot. But, as Winter well knows, Benitez did not 'ignore' Heskey, he was 'overruled,' to put it tactfully, by someone else at the club, and Owen was being ridiculed by most of Fleet Street before Ginsoak came in for him, so this is all desperately strained.

"He will bemoan refereeing decisions, injuries, tardiness in the transfer market and the comic capers of the American co-owners". Refereeing decisions? He's only really done that at Spurs with any real force. Nothing since then has matched, say, Ginsoak's silliness at Sunderland and Anfield. So that's just too forced. 'Tardiness'? No. He hasn't actually bemoaned at all in this area, for political reasons we all know about, and it's left him exposed for the OPPOSITE kind of criticism - namely, that's he's appeared ready to defend the squad as it is. 'The comic capers of the American co-owners'? Well, this may come as a surprise, but...


"He will even criticise "senior players'' such as Carragher and Steven Gerrard following the early-season loss to Aston Villa. One constant: Benítez never accepts responsibility himself." - A very cheap shot. They were criticised after that match - rightly so in quite a few eyes at the time, and both accepted it well - but if you go back and read all the comments he did include himself as partly to blame. If Winter is making a more generalised comment on managers, it's true - I can't recall Shanks, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish, Ginsoak, Allardyce, any manager spending much time lacerating themselves with an excoriating self-critique. Same goes for journalists, only more so.

"Yet it is quite possible that Benítez, so good at the chess of the Champions League rather than the rollerball of the Premier League" - just silly. If that distinction was true, Phil Brown would be excelling in the premier league. It's an insult to the likes of Wenger and Ancelotti. 'Rollerball' my foot.

"Sensible businesses plan for succession and any defenestration of Benítez should take place only in the close-season. Who knows? Benítez might win the FA Cup." - this hardly makes much sense at all as the concluding paragraph of such an undisciplined rant. It's just insultingly trite.

So I repeat: it's a poor article, regardless of whether you're entrenched for or against, or, like many of us, neither, just anxious and depressed but in it for the duration.

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So Macca, you don't agree with the article yet have listed some of the evidence that proves the author has a point.
 
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