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Rafael Benítez will blame everyone but himself for Liverpool's plight

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Wrote by Henry winter yesterday.

Henry Winter: Rafael Benítez will blame everyone but himself for Liverpool's plight


"Virtually no one.'' So argued Jamie Carragher when asked whether Liverpool had anyone to replace Fernando Torres should the talismanic target-man miss Wednesday's Champions League tie at Lyons.

"Virtually no one.'' This was a short sentence that sounded like a death sentence.

Of all the millions of words screamed and scribbled about Liverpool's present plight, these three from the stand-in captain, a loyal servant of the club, carry the most significance.

A keen student of the game and genuine managerial prospect one day, Carragher believes his team are lightweight upfront without Torres.

His verdict is partly a compliment to Liverpool's exceptional No 9, but also an implicit indictment of the understudies assembled by Rafael Benítez.

Blaming such individuals for being too poor (Andrei Voronin) or too raw (Ryan Babel, David Ngog) is pointless; culpability rests with Benítez for recruiting them while ignoring prodigal sons such as Emile Heskey and Michael Owen.

Following defeat to a Fulham side expertly organised and motivated by Roy Hodgson, Liverpool are now besieged by headlines shrieking that their title dream is in tatters, but this is no sudden development.

In August, few people outside Anfield considered Liverpool to have a squad comparable to those at Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge.

Benítez, as usual, will divert attention elsewhere. He will bemoan refereeing decisions, injuries, tardiness in the transfer market and the comic capers of the American co-owners.

He will even criticise "senior players'' such as Carragher and Steven Gerrard following the early-season loss to Aston Villa. One constant: Benítez never accepts responsibility himself.

That is why some people tire of the self-absorbed Spaniard. We've heard all the excuses before. We've seen the utter reliance on Gerrard, Torres and, for all his recent woes, Carragher.

Yet it is quite possible that Benítez, so good at the chess of the Champions League rather than the rollerball of the Premier League, can conjure up a victory over Lyons. But there will be another reverse, another storm. The occasional ray of sunshine piercing the gloom is not enough.

Liverpool can afford to sack Benítez. Compensation would be less than £5 million under the "mitigating the loss'' principle if he found employment, but no desire can be detected within the club for a regime change.

Besides, the two managers who would fit the Anfield bill, Fabio Capello and Jose Mourinho, are not available.

The impressive managing director, Christian Purslow, is not the type for knee-jerk reactions. But it is known around Anfield that Purslow has talked to Benítez about his style of management, notably his cold detachment from the players.

Sensible businesses plan for succession and any defenestration of Benítez should take place only in the close-season. Who knows? Benítez might win the FA Cup.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/6480911/Henry-Winter-Rafael-Benitez-will-blame-everyone-but-himself-for-Liverpools-plight.html

Good read this.
 
Of course i can't agree with Winter on Owen and Heskey bit but the rest of the piece is excellent and spot on.
 
Most of the press were saying Liverpool will win the league! Now we've severely underperformed they're being far too quick to put the boot in.

Criticising Benitez for the 'sale' of Michael Owen and the departure of Heskey is ridiculous, however his basic point is right.
 
The piece is basically him saying the squad is too thin in attack, which we already knew, using an quote from Carragher that is self evident. We'll never have a replacement for Torres, in the way that Carragher meant, because there isn't one. Carragher of course went on to say the politic thing regarding Babel, so to try and get mileage out of it as some condemnation is just silly.
 
It's an incredibly lazy and ill-conceived article. So I can see why it strikes a chord with you, Glock.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=36903.msg977633#msg977633 date=1257239276]
It's an incredibly lazy and ill-conceived article. So I can see why it strikes a chord with you, Glock.
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Yeah i bet you will be the first to admit you're Tomkin's girlfriend. Tomkins article makes me cum. Argh...

Idiot!
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36903.msg977636#msg977636 date=1257239549]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=36903.msg977633#msg977633 date=1257239276]
It's an incredibly lazy and ill-conceived article. So I can see why it strikes a chord with you, Glock.
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Yeah i bet you will be the first to admit you're Tomkin's girlfriend. Tomkins article makes me cum. Argh...

Idiot!
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I can't really be doing with Tomkins either. Funnily enough, based on this effort from Winters, he and Tomkins have something in common. That is, that neither offer any balance at all.
 
Glock in a "Everyone is calling me an idiot ... again" shocker.

Man, I hope you go on a long business trip and soon ...
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36903.msg977626#msg977626 date=1257238698]
Of course i can't agree with Winter on Owen and Heskey bit but the rest of the piece is excellent and spot on.
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Of course you can't agree with the bits that don't suit your own views, because you only seek out material that sticks to your own dogmatic argument like fluff to a sweaty bellybutton. Nothing here for anyone else to comment on but your fellow chuckle brother.
 
Henry Winter is normally much better than this.
Its borderline xenophobia.
'the loyal carragher'
'the best player gerrard'
'the sons Owen and Heskey'
the
'hateful evil franco-esque machiavelian Spaniard puta'
 
Like his big brother Timothy, the veddy veddy English Home Counties upper middle class boy who went to Westminster School and Cambridge, changed his name to Abdal Hakim Murad and now seems to think he was brought up in a sandy cave in the Middle East, old Henry has always been a good bet for that kind of mid-life crisis sketched out in Evelyn Waugh novels and Wodehouse short stories. His move from calm observer to a twittering tabloid-type niggler will probably prod him on to either a life in crime or a new career as a James Taylor tribute act in Canada.
 
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[quote author=Glock link=topic=36903.msg977626#msg977626 date=1257238698]
Of course i can't agree with Winter on Owen and Heskey bit but the rest of the piece is excellent and spot on.
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Of course you can't agree with the bits that don't suit your own views, because you only seek out material that sticks to your own dogmatic argument like fluff to a sweaty bellybutton. Nothing here for anyone else to comment on but your fellow chuckle brother.
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If you don't like the content of this thread, piss off out of it.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36903.msg977652#msg977652 date=1257241642]
Like his big brother Timothy, the veddy veddy English Home Counties upper middle class boy who went to Westminster School and Cambridge, changed his name to Abdal Hakim Murad and now seems to think he was brought up in a sandy cave in the Middle East, old Henry has always been a good bet for that kind of mid-life crisis sketched out in Evelyn Waugh novels and Wodehouse short stories. His move from calm observer to a twittering tabloid-type niggler will probably prod him on to either a life in crime or a new career as a James Taylor tribute act in Canada.
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You're a very strange little boy.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36903.msg977654#msg977654 date=1257241841]
Thats left me one hack left who i respect.
Paddy Barclay ftw.
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Yes, but he's gone a bit doo-lally, too.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36903.msg977659#msg977659 date=1257242206]

You're a very strange little boy.
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Those words, shouted by the judge so many years ago, really haunt
you, don't they, Grock?
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=36903.msg977654#msg977654 date=1257241841]
Thats left me one hack left who i respect.
Paddy Barclay ftw.
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Yes, but he's gone a bit doo-lally, too.
[/quote]Oh please dont tell me that.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36903.msg977659#msg977659 date=1257242206]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36903.msg977652#msg977652 date=1257241642]
Like his big brother Timothy, the veddy veddy English Home Counties upper middle class boy who went to Westminster School and Cambridge, changed his name to Abdal Hakim Murad and now seems to think he was brought up in a sandy cave in the Middle East, old Henry has always been a good bet for that kind of mid-life crisis sketched out in Evelyn Waugh novels and Wodehouse short stories. His move from calm observer to a twittering tabloid-type niggler will probably prod him on to either a life in crime or a new career as a James Taylor tribute act in Canada.
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You're a very strange little boy.
[/quote]Aww fuck! My pat pending ironyometer just fucking exploded! Bastards!
 
Decent enough article. Nothing there that most of us don't already know. It is true that Rafa does seem to apportion blame quite readily on everyone but himself. We're simply paying for his sh*t transfer policy now, which was always going to catch to us eventually given the amount of money wasted on the likes of Lucas and Babel.

I like Rafa, and still think he can lead us forward, but my faith isn't helped when I see the likes of Voronin and Degen are being preferred to some of our young hungry youth players (which pisses me off more than anything). Why does Rafa give these shit players game time? Where's the forward planning? If we don't have any money why isn't he building for the future blooding our younger players?
Voronin et al just stroll around without a care in the world. No passion for the shirt. Voronin's reaction to the goal against United (non-plussed) shows he couldn't give a shit whether we win or lose. All he cares about is collecting his pay packet. He's got nothing to prove. He's shit and he knows it. Whereas, at least with the likes of Pacheco, Eccelston, Nemeth and Kelly are keen to make a name for themselves and have potential to become top players for us in the future. With Voronin and his ilk, we're on a road to nowhere. *rant over*
 
Exactly so Murph.
It's a decent article from a realistic perspective, from a very decent journalist - it just does not fit in with other peoples entrenched opinions.
If fucking Samuels wrote a pro Rafa article, he would be lauded as a fantastic journalist.
Winter is dead right, and touched a nerve "virtually no one" whatever way you interpret Jamie's quote is exactly what we fucking have when Torres is missing.
It also touches on Rafa's big issue he has , the coldness with players, which of course nearly everyone on here is in denial about.
No, it's not all Rafa's fault, but a fucking big chunk of it is. I am really fed up with this sticking heads in the sand attitude of so many good posters in here.
Wake up and smell the coffee chaps , sorry, but it's making a few of you look very daft


regards
 
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If fucking Samuels wrote a pro Rafa article, he would be lauded as a fantastic journalist.


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You're clearly in a bad mood, Vladders old chum, but that's as forced as anything written on here, and you know it's completely untrue.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36903.msg977623#msg977623 date=1257238513]


Benítez, as usual, will divert attention elsewhere. He will bemoan refereeing decisions, injuries, tardiness in the transfer market and the comic capers of the American co-owners.

He will even criticise "senior players'' such as Carragher and Steven Gerrard following the early-season loss to Aston Villa. One constant: Benítez never accepts responsibility himself.


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If winter had gone into more detail on this then he would see that Rafa has grounds for moaning.
There all valid moaning points, except maybe the transfer market one. So winter decided to just skip over them basically sayin Rafa has no excuses....fuck off, lazy journalism.

Oh and the senior players just might need a good kick up the hole every now and again!! Theres no mention that both Stevie and Carra accepted that they both have to improve after Rafa made his comments is there??
Now I do agree that Rafa should hold up his hands when he makes a mistake but this is just a pile of cock!!
 
and you know that Henry Winter is usually highly regarded Macca.
It's only exaggeration Macca , a legitimate way of getting your point across
If it had been an article blaming everyone else but Rafa it would have been hailed by the areas that are deriding it.


regards
 
If Benitez had raged at refs and bemoaned the beach ball incident and moaned about the owners over the past few weeks Winter would have had a sounder basis for his argument, but if anything Benitez has erred towards a resigned position. So that's the first and most obvious sign - for those of you with 'entrenched' anti-manager perspectives - that suggests Winter is actually straining to justify his article. After that he's all over the place. It's a poor piece, plain and simple. That's not about pro or con. It's about coherence.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36903.msg977688#msg977688 date=1257245626]
and you know that Henry Winter is usually highly regarded Macca.
It's only exaggeration Macca , a legitimate way of getting your point across
If it had been an article blaming everyone else but Rafa it would have been hailed by the areas that are deriding it.


regards
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This 'if it had been...' line is not working. Yes, those who don't want to accept anything but what suits their dogmatic argument will hail articles that do so and denounce those that don't. That's obvious. But it's not the only reason anyone might disagree with this article. That's just lazy relativism.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36903.msg977691#msg977691 date=1257245998]
If Benitez had raged at refs and bemoaned the beach ball incident and moaned about the owners over the past few weeks Winter would have had a sounder basis for his argument, but if anything Benitez has erred towards a resigned position. So that's the first and most obvious sign - for those of you with 'entrenched' anti-manager perspectives - that suggests Winter is actually straining to justify his article. After that he's all over the place. It's a poor piece, plain and simple. That's not about pro or con. It's about coherence.
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I bow to your professional knowledge on constructive writing Macca.
Though it's amazing a thick cunt like Winter won so many journalistic awards. It's also amazing that such an anti-Liverpool hack was chosen to ghost write Gerrard's auto-biography.
But to an old pleb like me that still retains and air of reality it is correct in what it says in several areas

regards
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36903.msg977691#msg977691 date=1257245998]
It's a poor piece, plain and simple. That's not about pro or con. It's about coherence.
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That was pretty much my take on it.
 
Martin Samuels has won more awards, and Gerrard's book was hideously over-written.... Anyway:


"ignoring prodigal sons such as Emile Heskey and Michael Owen": 'prodigal sons' my foot. But, as Winter well knows, Benitez did not 'ignore' Heskey, he was 'overruled,' to put it tactfully, by someone else at the club, and Owen was being ridiculed by most of Fleet Street before Ginsoak came in for him, so this is all desperately strained.

"He will bemoan refereeing decisions, injuries, tardiness in the transfer market and the comic capers of the American co-owners". Refereeing decisions? He's only really done that at Spurs with any real force. Nothing since then has matched, say, Ginsoak's silliness at Sunderland and Anfield. So that's just too forced. 'Tardiness'? No. He hasn't actually bemoaned at all in this area, for political reasons we all know about, and it's left him exposed for the OPPOSITE kind of criticism - namely, that's he's appeared ready to defend the squad as it is. 'The comic capers of the American co-owners'? Well, this may come as a surprise, but...


"He will even criticise "senior players'' such as Carragher and Steven Gerrard following the early-season loss to Aston Villa. One constant: Benítez never accepts responsibility himself." - A very cheap shot. They were criticised after that match - rightly so in quite a few eyes at the time, and both accepted it well - but if you go back and read all the comments he did include himself as partly to blame. If Winter is making a more generalised comment on managers, it's true - I can't recall Shanks, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish, Ginsoak, Allardyce, any manager spending much time lacerating themselves with an excoriating self-critique. Same goes for journalists, only more so.

"Yet it is quite possible that Benítez, so good at the chess of the Champions League rather than the rollerball of the Premier League" - just silly. If that distinction was true, Phil Brown would be excelling in the premier league. It's an insult to the likes of Wenger and Ancelotti. 'Rollerball' my foot.

"Sensible businesses plan for succession and any defenestration of Benítez should take place only in the close-season. Who knows? Benítez might win the FA Cup." - this hardly makes much sense at all as the concluding paragraph of such an undisciplined rant. It's just insultingly trite.

So I repeat: it's a poor article, regardless of whether you're entrenched for or against, or, like many of us, neither, just anxious and depressed but in it for the duration.
 
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[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36903.msg977691#msg977691 date=1257245998]
If Benitez had raged at refs and bemoaned the beach ball incident and moaned about the owners over the past few weeks Winter would have had a sounder basis for his argument, but if anything Benitez has erred towards a resigned position. So that's the first and most obvious sign - for those of you with 'entrenched' anti-manager perspectives - that suggests Winter is actually straining to justify his article. After that he's all over the place. It's a poor piece, plain and simple. That's not about pro or con. It's about coherence.
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I bow to your professional knowledge on constructive writing Macca.
Though it's amazing a thick cunt like Winter won so many journalistic awards. It's also amazing that such an anti-Liverpool hack was chosen to ghost write Gerrard's auto-biography.
But to an old pleb like me that still retains and air of reality it is correct in what it says in several areas

regards
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Good journalists occasionally write bad articles. I believe that's the case here.
 
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