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Ryan

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Well. That was better.

Interesting first 25 minutes. Pompey showing us inside at every opportunity, closing us down relatively quickly, and affording little space between defence and midfield. I thought we look a little toothless, culminating in Insua and Maxi having to shoot from 30 yards. Gerrard and Aquilani were the only ones looking to do things quickly, with Carra, Babel and Masher holding on to it for far too long. Play slow and you play into Brown and Diop's hands. It takes more than 2 players to raise tempo unfortunately. Then the goal comes, and the game irrevocably changes. Two things for me on that goal - Gerrard closing down which he's been shite at of late so kudos for that, and secondly - was Torres offside? I still don't fully understand that rule. He's offside and walking out when the through ball's initially played, Gerrard blocks it, he turns around - runs back in and gets a tap in. If I was Avram Grant I'd be asking questions about that.

After that, pompey capitulated. In fairness, we got confidence out of the first and pressed higher up the pitch thus forcing them into mistakes, but their defending for the 2nd goal was abysmal. This wasn't 90th minute error-making, we're 30 minutes into the game and they're defending in their own 6 yard box. Look at their positioning when Johnson's cross goes in for the 2nd goal - they're in their own fucking 6 yard box. No wonder Babel was free in the penalty spot. It reminded me of the own goal Sunderland conceded in stoppage time at Old Trafford - hang about 5 yards from your own goalline, and you're inviting trouble. That's poor, inexperienced goalkeeping for me - you've got to move your defence out.

A few pleasing things away from the norm - (1) Babel and Torres interchanging. Quite liked that, Torres drifting wide left, and Babel swopping with him. That's new, and gives us something different.
(2) Aquilani. Excellent. As I've said for ages, his major plus point is his ability to move the ball quickly. You could see even in games where he only had a cameo role that he's got the werewithall to move the ball along in one/two touches. Makes a difference. The other thing I liked was his movement. Interestingly it was done in behind the Pompey midfield for most of the first half. Not many midfielders try that consistently (of course it asks a lot of questions abotu the structure of the team going forward but that's for another day). He picked it up in those areas a few times, but - and it's a credit to him for it - several times he made those runs without actually looking for the ball. It was done solely to create space for others. Nice.
I thought his best piece of play was the move in the second half that led to a chance for Gerrard on his left-foot. Super one touch passing rom the Italian opened that up. Quick, neat, intricate. You see folks - we don't need quick running, just quick thought.
(3) Agger. Nothing he really did, just his presence. We spent most of the first half defending from the halfway line. That's the difference having him in there ahead of the Greek. If nothing else it means we start bulding moves in the opposition's half of the pitch, contrast that to Wigan last week when we were trying to build attacks 30 yards from our own goal.
(4) Maxi. Good players find a lot of the ball. He's got ability.

Babel. Frustrated me a bit actually. The lad needs to learn a fucking trick. A step over, a dummy, a one-two, something. How many times does he get in full gallop and end up running staright into defenders. Even with that pace, he's easy to mark. Look at the way Berbatov escaped three palyers to set up Rooney's second on Sunday. Berbatov's got zero pace, but he's got skill and a brain. He needs to release the ball quicker. Still, got his goal, and stretched their defence on more than one occassion.

And finally, the team selection. Let's get this out of the way - if we go to Old Trafford with that team, we'll get destroyed. If anyone doubts this, I'd be surprised. And worried. For tonight it worked a treat after they gifted us the goal. We only started to look impressive after we'd gone 1-0 up. But credit where it's due, that team selection was bold, worked, and took me aback. There were issues with it. Good sides would be able to counter-attack at pace, and kills us. When we're playing that high up the pitch, and with only one defensive midfield shield, it means the back four have to retreat like fuck when the ball breaks down. Pompey had about half a dozen opportunites when they were able to run through the middle unchallenged and at a retreating back four. They made nothing out of any of them. Good sides won't be so accomodating. Best example of this was when Masher went sliding in on Dindane (I think) on the Centeneray Rd side, missed the tackle, and we were fucked. O'Hara and Belhadj were both entirely free in the box, and a half-decent side would have punshied us. Carra went mental at Masher for sliding in (rightly so), but the tactics are always going to leave us susceptible for things like that - which is why tonight's side won't be deployed too often.

Anyway, good win, surprising but pleasing team selection, and I'm more than happy to be proved wrong on that. He might go with that sort of side looking at the rest of our home fixtures this season. At OT this weekend, you won't see it unfortunately.
 
One final thing: If the FA have any balls Gerrard will get a retrospective suspension for that elbow on Brown. Regardless of what sort of fucking chopper Brown is, that was intentional from Gerrard, and he should be punished for it.
 
Some great points in there but are you saying we should go to Old Trafford and be cautious/defensive?

I think we'll concede even with a defensive line up so why not surprise them and play an attacking line up?

Vidic is shit scared of Torres, give him the ball in the right areas and he can destroy Vidic again but he needs service.

You have to remember we're no longer the solid, dependable Liverpool that can grind out a 0-0 or 1-0 win away from home.
I don't think we're capable of that nowadays.
 
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One final thing: If the FA have any balls Gerrard will get a retrospective suspension for that elbow on Brown. Regardless of what sort of fucking chopper Brown is, that was intentional from Gerrard, and he should be punished for it.
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Imagine the outcry if Lucas did what Gerrard did. LFC forums would crash.

Disgraceful from Gerrard once again, two fingers at the ref last week, now this.
 
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39317.msg1070307#msg1070307 date=1268700346]
Some great points in there but are you saying we should go to Old Trafford and be cautious/defensive?

I think we'll concede even with a defensive line up so why not surprise them and play an attacking line up?

Vidic is shit scared of Torres, give him the ball in the right areas and he can destroy Vidic again but he needs service.

You have to remember we're no longer the solid, dependable Liverpool that can grind out a 0-0 or 1-0 win away from home.
I don't think we're capable of that nowadays.


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I think we need to ensure that we've got both bases covered. If the midfield that played tonight played at Old Trafford, I think Carrick and Scholes would be able to pick it apart. That and we'd get strung open with their pace down the flanks. I know it's not popular on here, but sometimes you've got to focus on the other team's strengths too, and with a side like Tonight's I'd worry about us.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39317.msg1070306#msg1070306 date=1268700292]
One final thing: If the FA have any balls Gerrard will get a retrospective suspension for that elbow on Brown. Regardless of what sort of fucking chopper Brown is, that was intentional from Gerrard, and he should be punished for it.
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I don't know what the rules are anymore, due to what seems like inconsistency at times, but the ref saw the incident, adjudged a foul, and clearly didn't see the forearm to the back of the head, I think this means the FA's hands are tied.

Edit: Jesus... forum to the back of the head... I'm on here too much.
 
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[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39317.msg1070307#msg1070307 date=1268700346]
Some great points in there but are you saying we should go to Old Trafford and be cautious/defensive?

I think we'll concede even with a defensive line up so why not surprise them and play an attacking line up?

Vidic is shit scared of Torres, give him the ball in the right areas and he can destroy Vidic again but he needs service.

You have to remember we're no longer the solid, dependable Liverpool that can grind out a 0-0 or 1-0 win away from home.
I don't think we're capable of that nowadays.


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I think we need to ensure that we've got both bases covered. If the midfield that played tonight played at Old Trafford, I think Carrick and Scholes would be able to pick it apart. That and we'd get strung open with their pace down the flanks. I know it's not popular on here, but sometimes you've got to focus on the other team's strengths too, and with a side like Tonight's I'd worry about us.
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I'd worry about us whatever team we put out to be honest.

What would your team be then?
 
I won't bother mentioning the team selection topic, I'll leave that to someone else should they wish to bring it up...

Good post Ryan and I find myself agreeing with a lot of it again. In fairness you've been saying about speed of movement of the ball for a while now, and finally we showed it today. That's the best I've seen us play all season and the quickest we've moved the ball since we were sweeping top teams aside this time last year. It's amazing that it has taken Benitez this long to implement this style of play. Maybe he has tried but hasn't been succesful, but swapping Aquilani with Lucas immediately gives you an extra edge in the tempo and a midfielder that will play 20 yards higher up the pitch. Lucas has his merits, albeit I'm not an admirer at all really, but in these games he really isn't needed. Against lower level teams at home, this is how we should line up, in my opinion, for the rest of the season.

Up until we scored I shared your worries about Portsmouth on the counter. They looked relatively dangerous on the break in the first half, with pace in attack, and we looked a little stretched with just Mascher back. But nothing ventured, nothing gained. I think we really would have struggled if we played 2 defensive screens here today with Lucas and Javier, but you've got to set your team out to win at home. Especially in this league. Worrying about inferior opposition plays into their hands, being cautious against them gives them an easy ride. On the odd occasion every team gets stung by the underdog but you have to take the risk. It's better winning most games you should, like Utd do, suffering the rare upset, than being cautious, uncreative, rigid and struggling to break down teams like has been the norm for us this year.

With regards to Babel I agree, he played well, but against better opposition he wouldn't look nearly as good. He needs something new in his locker. He needs to be able to put doubt in the defenders minds. Instead he seems to doubt in his own mind what he's going to do next. But that's what he gives you. His physical attributes and pace will always stretch opponents. It's usually a case of whether we can take advantage of that. Tonight we did.

Overall, good performance, tactics were a bit of a risk of course, but being cautious is what has led us to where we are now. This should have been thought of a long time ago, and we should have seen Aquilani playing like this long before tonight.
 
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39317.msg1070316#msg1070316 date=1268701371]
I won't bother mentioning the team selection topic, I'll leave that to someone else should they wish to bring it up...

Good post Ryan and I find myself agreeing with a lot of it again. In fairness you've been saying about speed of movement of the ball for a while now, and finally we showed it today. That's the best I've seen us play all season and the quickest we've moved the ball since we were sweeping top teams aside this time last year. It's amazing that it has taken Benitez this long to implement this style of play. Maybe he has tried but hasn't been succesful, but swapping Aquilani with Lucas immediately gives you an extra edge in the tempo and a midfielder that will play 20 yards higher up the pitch. Lucas has his merits, albeit I'm not an admirer at all really, but in these games he really isn't needed. Against lower level teams at home, this is how we should line up, in my opinion, for the rest of the season.

Up until we scored I shared your worries about Portsmouth on the counter. They looked relatively dangerous on the break in the first half, with pace in attack, and we looked a little stretched with just Mascher back. But nothing ventured, nothing gained. I think we really would have struggled if we played 2 defensive screens here today with Lucas and Javier, but you've got to set your team out to win at home. Especially in this league. Worrying about inferior opposition plays into their hands, being cautious against them gives them an easy ride. On the odd occasion every team gets stung by the underdog but you have to take the risk. It's better winning most games you should, like Utd do, suffering the rare upset, than being cautious, uncreative, rigid and struggling to break down teams like has been the norm for us this year.

With regards to Babel I agree, he played well, but against better opposition he wouldn't look nearly as good. He needs something new in his locker. He needs to be able to put doubt in the defenders minds. Instead he seems to doubt in his own mind what he's going to do next. But that's what he gives you. His physical attributes and pace will always stretch opponents. It's usually a case of whether we can take advantage of that. Tonight we did.

Overall, good performance, tactics were a bit of a risk of course, but being cautious is what has led us to where we are now. This should have been thought of a long time ago, and we should have seen Aquilani playing like this long before tonight.
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Yup, spot on. It's ironic but... Babel slows us down.
 
With regards to the Mancs, we went there last season with what seemed a very rigid side and shipped 4 past them. Now obviously that's not going to happen again, but as Ryan said you've got to cover all your bases against a team like United. I'd imagine Lucas would come back in, and rightly so in my opinion. Afterall he played in that win last season, and at Anfield this season. What he lacks in creativity, he gives you in positional stability. I'm not a fan at all mind, but this is a type of game he's needed.

I'd imagine Rafa would go with:

Reina

Johnson Carragher Agger Insua

Lucas Mascherano

Kuyt Gerrard Maxi

Torres

For what it's worth, that would be the team I'd go with too. With Aurelio coming in for Insua, but I'm assuming he's crocked so...
 
I hope Maxi's performance tonight opened a few people's eyes about him. He IS obviously a good player. He, like Aqualani needs positive movement around him so his passing game can work. He is excellent at retaining possession and moving it on and looking for it again. It does wonders for our tempo and our passing game as a whole. He does look a bit laboured away from home or on the left for example (while still doing a 'good shift' for us). It's only in games like tonight that we see the tidy player in him emerge.

I can see him doing a 'job' for us on the left on Sunday to help handle Valencia and hold Insua's hand. Actually, I wouldn't be suprised to see Riera return to aid our suspect LB.
 
I haven't intentionally tucked Maxi slightly inside there, giving Valencia the freedom of the right, by the way...

Who knows, though, I certainly didn't see that line up coming from Benitez today, so maybe he could spring a surprise on us. I don't think he would for a game of this magnitude, however.
 
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I can see him doing a 'job' for us on the left on Sunday to help handle Valencia and hold Insua's hand. Actually, I wouldn't be suprised to see Riera return to aid our suspect LB.
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I would.
 
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I can see him doing a 'job' for us on the left on Sunday to help handle Valencia and hold Insua's hand. Actually, I wouldn't be suprised to see Riera return to aid our suspect LB.
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I would.
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Rafa once had a lot of trust in Riera to carry out a protective role on the left for us. I suppose Maxi now own's that role since his arrival.
 
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I can see him doing a 'job' for us on the left on Sunday to help handle Valencia and hold Insua's hand. Actually, I wouldn't be suprised to see Riera return to aid our suspect LB.
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I would.
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Rafa once had a lot of trust in Riera to carry out a protective role on the left for us. I suppose Maxi now own's that role since his arrival.

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There are arguments to be made for both of them but Maxi's in form and en vogue so he'll probably get that position right now.
 
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Torres's effort that hit the post was fantastic
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True dat.

Came as a result of that inter-changing with Babel too.
 
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39317.msg1070323#msg1070323 date=1268701892]
With regards to the Mancs, we went there last season with what seemed a very rigid side and shipped 4 past them. Now obviously that's not going to happen again, but as Ryan said you've got to cover all your bases against a team like United. I'd imagine Lucas would come back in, and rightly so in my opinion. Afterall he played in that win last season, and at Anfield this season. What he lacks in creativity, he gives you in positional stability. I'm not a fan at all mind, but this is a type of game he's needed.

I'd imagine Rafa would go with:

Reina

Johnson Carragher Agger Insua

Lucas Mascherano

Kuyt Gerrard Maxi

Torres

For what it's worth, that would be the team I'd go with too. With Aurelio coming in for Insua, but I'm assuming he's crocked so...
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I know some might think it a little 'gung-ho' but I would prefer to see Aquilani rewarded for his MOM performance this weekend. However, if we had to go with that team I would prefer to see Maxi on the right and Riera on the left. I think Maxi and Johnson have the makings of a good partnership on that side and Riera offers more protection than anyone to Insua (whose arse is likely to be handed to him repeatedly by Valencia), as well as being capable of retaining the ball.
 
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I can see him doing a 'job' for us on the left on Sunday to help handle Valencia and hold Insua's hand. Actually, I wouldn't be suprised to see Riera return to aid our suspect LB.
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I would.
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Rafa once had a lot of trust in Riera to carry out a protective role on the left for us. I suppose Maxi now own's that role since his arrival.

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There are arguments to be made for both of them but Maxi's in form and en vogue so he'll probably get that position right now.
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Either way, the role will be an important one. In the home game, United's main tactic (if only tactic) was to insolate Valencia with Insua. I expect the same Sunday.
 
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With regards to the Mancs, we went there last season with what seemed a very rigid side and shipped 4 past them. Now obviously that's not going to happen again, but as Ryan said you've got to cover all your bases against a team like United. I'd imagine Lucas would come back in, and rightly so in my opinion. Afterall he played in that win last season, and at Anfield this season. What he lacks in creativity, he gives you in positional stability. I'm not a fan at all mind, but this is a type of game he's needed.

I'd imagine Rafa would go with:

Reina

Johnson Carragher Agger Insua

Lucas Mascherano

Kuyt Gerrard Maxi

Torres

For what it's worth, that would be the team I'd go with too. With Aurelio coming in for Insua, but I'm assuming he's crocked so...
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I know some might think it a little 'gung-ho' but I would prefer to see Aquilani rewarded for his MOM performance this weekend. However, if we had to go with that team I would prefer to see Maxi on the right and Riera on the left. I think Maxi and Johnson have the makings of a good partnership on that side and Riera offers more protection than anyone to Insua (whose arse is likely to be handed to him repeatedly by Valencia), as well as being capable of retaining the ball.
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But Kuyt is also valuable in a game like this. Only 2 from Kuyt, Riera and Maxi will start. I predict Kuyt and Maxi even though I don't like Maxi on the left. Babel and Yossi will be kept on the bench as impact subs.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39317.msg1070327#msg1070327 date=1268702318]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=39317.msg1070325#msg1070325 date=1268702179]

I can see him doing a 'job' for us on the left on Sunday to help handle Valencia and hold Insua's hand. Actually, I wouldn't be suprised to see Riera return to aid our suspect LB.
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I would.
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Rafa once had a lot of trust in Riera to carry out a protective role on the left for us. I suppose Maxi now own's that role since his arrival.

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There are arguments to be made for both of them but Maxi's in form and en vogue so he'll probably get that position right now.
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Either way, the role will be an important one. In the home game, United's main tactic (if only tactic) was to insolate Valencia with Insua. I expect the same Sunday.
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Lucas provides decent cover for Insua, and has done quite well recently at that. Might be another reason why Rafa selects him.

Gotta say folks - If Rafa picks Aquilani away at Old Trafford, I'd be fucking amazed.
 
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With regards to the Mancs, we went there last season with what seemed a very rigid side and shipped 4 past them. Now obviously that's not going to happen again, but as Ryan said you've got to cover all your bases against a team like United. I'd imagine Lucas would come back in, and rightly so in my opinion. Afterall he played in that win last season, and at Anfield this season. What he lacks in creativity, he gives you in positional stability. I'm not a fan at all mind, but this is a type of game he's needed.

I'd imagine Rafa would go with:

Reina

Johnson Carragher Agger Insua

Lucas Mascherano

Kuyt Gerrard Maxi

Torres

For what it's worth, that would be the team I'd go with too. With Aurelio coming in for Insua, but I'm assuming he's crocked so...
[/quote]

I know some might think it a little 'gung-ho' but I would prefer to see Aquilani rewarded for his MOM performance this weekend. However, if we had to go with that team I would prefer to see Maxi on the right and Riera on the left. I think Maxi and Johnson have the makings of a good partnership on that side and Riera offers more protection than anyone to Insua (whose arse is likely to be handed to him repeatedly by Valencia), as well as being capable of retaining the ball.
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Mate, Kuyt will play on Sunday. No bones about it.
 
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I can see him doing a 'job' for us on the left on Sunday to help handle Valencia and hold Insua's hand. Actually, I wouldn't be suprised to see Riera return to aid our suspect LB.
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I would.
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Rafa once had a lot of trust in Riera to carry out a protective role on the left for us. I suppose Maxi now own's that role since his arrival.

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There are arguments to be made for both of them but Maxi's in form and en vogue so he'll probably get that position right now.
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Either way, the role will be an important one. In the home game, United's main tactic (if only tactic) was to insolate Valencia with Insua. I expect the same Sunday.
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The tubby fuck will no doubt fall on his arse countless times.
We will concede via Valencia passing to Rooney and him scuffing a shot into the bottom left corner. FACT. All after Insua is raped.
 
We'll play about 15-20 yards deeper as a defense on Sunday for fear of getting murdered down the right, and gifting Rooney to much space in between defence and midfield.

I think it'll be the same team and formation as the one that played away to Lille.
 
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I can see him doing a 'job' for us on the left on Sunday to help handle Valencia and hold Insua's hand. Actually, I wouldn't be suprised to see Riera return to aid our suspect LB.
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I would.
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Rafa once had a lot of trust in Riera to carry out a protective role on the left for us. I suppose Maxi now own's that role since his arrival.

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There are arguments to be made for both of them but Maxi's in form and en vogue so he'll probably get that position right now.
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Either way, the role will be an important one. In the home game, United's main tactic (if only tactic) was to insolate Valencia with Insua. I expect the same Sunday.
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Lucas provides decent cover for Insua, and has done quite well recently at that. Might be another reason why Rafa selects him.

Gotta say folks - If Rafa picks Aquilani away at Old Trafford, I'd be fucking amazed.
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Masher tends to help out his compatriot a fair bit too. I wonder does Insua notice teams are targeting him and does it effect his game? It must.
 
Hmm speed of movement and interchance.
Who dictates how we do that?
The manager, the coaches, tactics and team selection.
Tonight was one of a few times all season we actually had that movment. Why?
Because we played attacking players in attacking positions.
And I doubt Rafa had anything to do with our sudden one touch football. It came from good players high on confidence after scoring a goal.
Which brings us to the point of what the hell Rafa is doing in the first place.
Let the shackles off and let our attacking and creative players do just that.
That team is good enough to beat all but 3/4 teams that come to Anfield, yet we find ourselves in the situation we are in.
Everything will change against Utd and rightly so as its a completely different game, but against Lille that team should start.
No question about that.

Ryan you always blab on about the finer details, but tonight is a perfect example of how simple football can be. Good players playing well and creating chances when confidence is high. Rafa had little to do with it once he picked the side.

You said that team could not win. Guess what they did and comfortable. Why? Because they were full of confidence after the first goal and had plenty of attacking players who can pass the ball, move off it and interchange. And if there were given the change more often you would see similar results. You have to take risks to win the league. Utd do it week in week out. Sometimes they come up short but more often than not their free flowing attack minded football bulldozes most teams in England.

I would love to think Rafa learnt something tonight but sadly we all know thats not the case.

Aquaman proved again he should be played and show some confidence by the manager. Babel proved that if nothing else pace will unsettle the opposition, and Gerrard and Torres proved yet again when they have another midfielder who can spot a forward pass quickly (ie like Alonso last season) then they are electic.

It will be interesting to see who plays wide left against Utd. The rest picks itself at this stage.
 
I won't repeat anything from the above, because I agree with a lot already posted, but I will say that I hope to see us try and keep that pace in movement of the ball, and we suite a pass and move game.

I also kind of hope that Gerrard gets a suspension, it may prove to be a shock he needs because he has been somewhere between woeful and poor for a long time now. Tonight was his best game in a long time, but he still lagged far behind what some of the others were doing and some of his balls were atrocious, I counted at least a half dozen relatively simple balls that went fucking miles past their target, not to mention his corners. He's started enough games back to back to have achieved match fitness by now, so I don't know why he is in a slump but he needs to sort if the fuck out, he doesn't get paid 100k a week for this shit.

Also, even if Lucas does start at the weekend, I would still leave Kuyt on the bench. It was nice having Maxi on the right who can control the ball with 1 touch, beat a player and put a good ball in (all of which he showed tonight), it's not often we've had that on the right in the last few years.
 
Post match feelings?

- relief that we did not lose or draw and managed to win
- glad that we can win stylishly, again
 
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Hmm speed of movement and interchance.
Who dictates how we do that?
The manager, the coaches, tactics and team selection.
Tonight was one of a few times all season we actually had that movment. Why?
Because we played attacking players in attacking positions.
And I doubt Rafa had anything to do with our sudden one touch football. It came from good players high on confidence after scoring a goal.
Which brings us to the point of what the hell Rafa is doing in the first place.
Let the shackles off and let our attacking and creative players do just that.
That team is good enough to beat all but 3/4 teams that come to Anfield, yet we find ourselves in the situation we are in.
Everything will change against Utd and rightly so as its a completely different game, but against Lille that team should start.
No question about that.

Ryan you always blab on about the finer details, but tonight is a perfect example of how simple football can be. Good players playing well and creating chances when confidence is high. Rafa had little to do with it once he picked the side.

You said that team could not win. Guess what they did and comfortable. Why? Because they were full of confidence after the first goal and had plenty of attacking players who can pass the ball, move off it and interchange. And if there were given the change more often you would see similar results. You have to take risks to win the league. Utd do it week in week out. Sometimes they come up short but more often than not their free flowing attack minded football bulldozes most teams in England.

I would love to think Rafa learnt something tonight but sadly we all know thats not the case.

Aquaman proved again he should be played and show some confidence by the manager. Babel proved that if nothing else pace will unsettle the opposition, and Gerrard and Torres proved yet again when they have another midfielder who can spot a forward pass quickly (ie like Alonso last season) then they are electic.

It will be interesting to see who plays wide left against Utd. The rest picks itself at this stage.
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Dreamy I've been banging on about speed of ball movement, and getting better players beside Gerrard more than anyone on here for quite some time.

Tonight's formation isn't a long-term one, regardless of the result, which will be evidenced by the amount of times Rafa plays it in the future. Sure, I got the selection wrong, but I'll maintain with the stance that decent (not even great teams) will pick us apart if we play that side regularly.
 
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