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Post-match Madrid Talk
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I dont really think the personel matters mate. No ones having a go gerrard and sterling etc were left out.
We dont have a best 11 we have a series of really average 11's.
Tonight was just another one of them.
Screw the players, I hope Brendan takes something from this game
the tactic is not to get completely battered at the moment.
Yes. Kolo for me was outstanding despite his ball watching for Benzema's goal. Commanding and vocal throughout a lot of our good defensive work was as a result of his work and direction.
He runs like a dwarf carrying a maypole, but in a good way.
Ming - 8.5
Moreno - 7
Kolo - 8
Skrtel - 7
Manquillo - 6.5
Lucas - 7
Allen - 7
Can - 7.5
Lallana - 6.5
Markovic - 6.5
Borini - 6.5
Against the 'Best Team in the World'. Two of the best CBs in Europe played like it too, which really made our attacking job so much more difficult. Varane in particular was excellent.
Moreno - 7
Kolo - 8
Skrtel - 7
Manquillo - 6.5
Lucas - 7
Allen - 7
Can - 7.5
Lallana - 6.5
Markovic - 6.5
Borini - 6.5
Against the 'Best Team in the World'. Two of the best CBs in Europe played like it too, which really made our attacking job so much more difficult. Varane in particular was excellent.
that he needs players capable of scoring a goal at some point?
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it's down to the fact that we didn't even try to score.
Judging from these ratings we must have won the game, not got outshot 21 to 2 (shots on target). Usually I'm the one who gets laughed at for "ridiculous" ratings, but I think you took my spot now.
The only reason why I hate Liverpool losing is because it brings out the kuntflower ...
We'll beat Chelsea 1-0.
We'll beat Chelsea 1-0.
we wont
Valid pov.
i told you all this would happen months ago. when you gonna belieb?
Ahhh young Frodo, you have much to learn about time and belief.
We will not beat Chelsea, we won't even fucking score. We are shit! Especially at attacking. Rodgers and the committee fucked up.
Losing by 1 goal to Real wasn't because we did well. It's because Real didn't convert their 3/4 other clear chances to score.
Bale, Ronaldo, Benzema all missed goals they should have put away.
Losing by 1 goal to Real wasn't because we did well. It's because Real didn't convert their 3/4 other clear chances to score.
Bale, Ronaldo, Benzema all missed goals they should have put away.
Of course we are not allowed to give high ratings to defenders who do well are we. As usual people fail to take which team we were playing against into account, and judge the players on how they contained them. Away. Against Real Madrid. At the Bernabeu.
Not 100% sure what we can take out of the game as a team.
Madrid had a number of shots on goal but, apart from one sleeping moment from Moreno when Benzema probably should have made it 2, they didn't have any golden opportunities and struggled to really break us down.
I never felt like they were going at us at full throttle but whether that was because we were stifling them or because they were more intent on looking good in front of their fans I was never clear.
We looked far more classy going forward when the three subs came on without actually creating anything extra.
What I learnt about players was;
Can has a lot more in his locker than he's shown previously. Can run with the ball, can move deceptively quickly but his passing still leaves massive amounts to be desired. He could be a much better player for us than I first feared, though and while he's a long way from agile he does look to have very usable power in his game - a little like Matic for Chelsea.
Toure looked very good in a backs to the wall performance. Great blocks but, for me, the best part was our set pieces. Every time the ball came through the air we looked solid and certain.
Markovic looks fantastic for his national team but needs to improve hugely for us. Doesn't work nearly hard enough - particularly without the ball. Didn't look incisive enough with the ball though he did make a couple of very good runs which weren't picked out by team mates.
Lucas - best performance by him of the season. Doesn't say a lot really but he was very good. Couple of great tackles in the 2nd half, broke up play very well and distributed it well. I thought he'd struggle against the dynamism of Madrid but he coped very well. Doubt he'll start against Chelsea but I think he should.
Ming - perfect game for him. Had a compact, well organised defense in front of him, dominant CB's getting the ball from corners and free kicks which allowed him to demonstrate that he's one of the best shot stoppers going around at the moment. Some regulation saves but some very good ones as well and his positioning on the goal line was great all match.
Manquillo was given an absolute nightmare by Marcello and he was miles from most crosses including where the goal came from.
Moreno struggled hugely in defense as well against a lesser opponent but also offered a bit going forward. He ran hard all game though and that was good to see.
Borini offers almost no goal threat but he runs harder than any of our other strikers including Sturridge. It should be a lesson to all our youngsters coming through how far simple, hard running will get you.
Lallana - hot and cold but never stopped putting in the effort. Responsible for our two best moments IMO - both in the first half.
Skrtel - bar one silly effort going to ground against Ronaldo I thought he was good. Not as composed as Toure but looked better than he has alongside Lovren. I'm not sure Rodgers will feel that there was enough there for a partnership going forward but I thought it was encouraging.
Allen I thought started slowly but grew into the match; never stopped working, constantly showed for the ball (like Borini) and, mostly, made good decisions.
All in all I thought, defensively, we were much better. We were as ponderous as ever in attack, had almost no cutting edge at all and, worryingly, looked intent on slowing the ball up even when we had the chance to get in on goal. I think that's what annoyed me most - we were supposedly set up to nick a goal but our constant negativity in wanting to pass it backwards or sideways when there was a better pass in front of us made a goal almost impossible.
The question was whether that set up with Coutinho, Sterling and Sturridge would lose its solidity. Both fullbacks had a torrid time but they were up against some of the most potent attackers in the world. I guess the only thing, as a team, that I'd take out of it is that I'd like to see Toure and Skrtel together for a couple of games and have Lucas in there as well.
Can, Allen and Henderson all provide different parts of what Gerrard provides without ever providing the cutting edge or goal threat he offers. Also none of them provide all the qualities he provides. What I noticed when Stevie came on was a greater propensity to move the ball forward at more pace. It didn't work with Borini but with Sturridge it could pay greater dividends.
Madrid had a number of shots on goal but, apart from one sleeping moment from Moreno when Benzema probably should have made it 2, they didn't have any golden opportunities and struggled to really break us down.
I never felt like they were going at us at full throttle but whether that was because we were stifling them or because they were more intent on looking good in front of their fans I was never clear.
We looked far more classy going forward when the three subs came on without actually creating anything extra.
What I learnt about players was;
Can has a lot more in his locker than he's shown previously. Can run with the ball, can move deceptively quickly but his passing still leaves massive amounts to be desired. He could be a much better player for us than I first feared, though and while he's a long way from agile he does look to have very usable power in his game - a little like Matic for Chelsea.
Toure looked very good in a backs to the wall performance. Great blocks but, for me, the best part was our set pieces. Every time the ball came through the air we looked solid and certain.
Markovic looks fantastic for his national team but needs to improve hugely for us. Doesn't work nearly hard enough - particularly without the ball. Didn't look incisive enough with the ball though he did make a couple of very good runs which weren't picked out by team mates.
Lucas - best performance by him of the season. Doesn't say a lot really but he was very good. Couple of great tackles in the 2nd half, broke up play very well and distributed it well. I thought he'd struggle against the dynamism of Madrid but he coped very well. Doubt he'll start against Chelsea but I think he should.
Ming - perfect game for him. Had a compact, well organised defense in front of him, dominant CB's getting the ball from corners and free kicks which allowed him to demonstrate that he's one of the best shot stoppers going around at the moment. Some regulation saves but some very good ones as well and his positioning on the goal line was great all match.
Manquillo was given an absolute nightmare by Marcello and he was miles from most crosses including where the goal came from.
Moreno struggled hugely in defense as well against a lesser opponent but also offered a bit going forward. He ran hard all game though and that was good to see.
Borini offers almost no goal threat but he runs harder than any of our other strikers including Sturridge. It should be a lesson to all our youngsters coming through how far simple, hard running will get you.
Lallana - hot and cold but never stopped putting in the effort. Responsible for our two best moments IMO - both in the first half.
Skrtel - bar one silly effort going to ground against Ronaldo I thought he was good. Not as composed as Toure but looked better than he has alongside Lovren. I'm not sure Rodgers will feel that there was enough there for a partnership going forward but I thought it was encouraging.
Allen I thought started slowly but grew into the match; never stopped working, constantly showed for the ball (like Borini) and, mostly, made good decisions.
All in all I thought, defensively, we were much better. We were as ponderous as ever in attack, had almost no cutting edge at all and, worryingly, looked intent on slowing the ball up even when we had the chance to get in on goal. I think that's what annoyed me most - we were supposedly set up to nick a goal but our constant negativity in wanting to pass it backwards or sideways when there was a better pass in front of us made a goal almost impossible.
The question was whether that set up with Coutinho, Sterling and Sturridge would lose its solidity. Both fullbacks had a torrid time but they were up against some of the most potent attackers in the world. I guess the only thing, as a team, that I'd take out of it is that I'd like to see Toure and Skrtel together for a couple of games and have Lucas in there as well.
Can, Allen and Henderson all provide different parts of what Gerrard provides without ever providing the cutting edge or goal threat he offers. Also none of them provide all the qualities he provides. What I noticed when Stevie came on was a greater propensity to move the ball forward at more pace. It didn't work with Borini but with Sturridge it could pay greater dividends.
Yet another match in which Allen offers absolutely zero going forwards. Given his bustling is somewhat useful but he lacks the physicality to be a truly effective defensive midfielder, I still don't think he does enough to start in a Liverpool midfield.
He's a passenger and has been for most of the season.
He's a passenger and has been for most of the season.
I'm finding it all very confusing. Only saw the first 20 because of work. But apparently :
Real Madrid have a team sheet that can only be dreamt of but they are not really that good. They have twenty something shots at goal but they were not really trying, and we shouldn't have dropped/rested Gerrard, Sterling and Couthinho but we did, and when they came on we went to shit.
Real Madrid have a team sheet that can only be dreamt of but they are not really that good. They have twenty something shots at goal but they were not really trying, and we shouldn't have dropped/rested Gerrard, Sterling and Couthinho but we did, and when they came on we went to shit.
Has to be a wind-up, right?
I honestly don't know if Manquillo is better than Johnson or not but he was destroyed tonight like few other fullbacks have been in years. I've never seen a team get so many clean crosses past a fullback and he was so far out of place for the goal I thought he must have been getting treatment.
As said elsewhere, both fullbacks were up against some of the most potent attackers in the world but both had a very torrid time in defense. Moreno's display was tempered by his efforts going forward. Macca mentioned his crossing technique - I only really remember him putting one in all match but it was, as Macca alluded to, a thing of beauty.
Varane was exceptional.
I've seen him play four times this season and he's been utterly imperious every time; seems to have good positional sense, very strong in the air and as fast a CB as I think I've ever seen. Prior to this season I'd not actually heard of him.
Where has he come from? Has he always been touted as a great prospect?
Bit harsh. I thought he fought really well and also played some decent balls forward. It's just that none of the players seemed to understand each other.
When they came on, we started to spend a bit more time in their half.
Our attack was slightly less shit.
Compared to the game at Anfield, Real looked to be more relaxed.
They could have put 3 or 4 past us.
I don't know who is saying Real are not very good. They are crazy. Real are excellent.
Our attack was slightly less shit.
Compared to the game at Anfield, Real looked to be more relaxed.
They could have put 3 or 4 past us.
I don't know who is saying Real are not very good. They are crazy. Real are excellent.
I don't think anyone begrudges Rodgers changing the side. But making seven changes? Is that a tactical manoeuvre or just desperation? Is there anyone wondering what might have happened if we'd made fewer changes? I bet the thousands of travelling fans are.
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