We had the same points advantage when Saka was fit.
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We had the same points advantage when Saka was fit.
My nerves are settled when I see we have West Ham, Leicester and Spurs in our next three games.
Their team is stronger as they're actively competing in the champions league, and 2nd in the league without their star player, A recognised striker, and now their best CB out.
We required a generational output season from Salah to be relevant.
I despised Carroll when he was here, always out on the piss and clearly had issues with it, but the Bordeaux chapter is pretty wholesome all round, especially for their fans who have had it tough. It's nice he's getting some extra football before retirement after pissing large sections of his career up the wall.
What about if you see Robbo & Ibou handing out prezzies in those games as they did to Fulham!?
That is so wrong. You can take 10 goals off Mo's total and we would have stilled scored more than Arsenal and have a better GD. So yes of course the points difference would be much closer but likely we'd still be ahead.
I remember when Bordeaux were the top team in France and in Europe. How old am I !
Then I’ll wish death upon them just as I will do if Slobby can’t pass or Salah put a shift in.
I’m even more relaxed now Bradley is back because we need his driving runs to upset those who play the low block.
I hope you're right.
I cannot fucking shake the "oh fuck, it's arsenal on our tails and we're tiring, and fucking michael thomas" ... and I was only what, 9 for that.
I think one of my earliest footie memories is us getting beat by Strasburg at some point in the mid nineties. I remember being gutted all week.
So we either need to wish for a miracle at the Bernabeu or for whichever of PSG or Villa to do the job in the semis. Can't have Arsenal in a final. At first my preference for Arsenal was to lose in the final for maximum hurt, but the great @doctor_mac talked me out of this view on the off chance they actually win it.
Madrid looked like a group of premadonnas (intentional!!!!!) rather than a team. I’d expect PSG to do them no problem.
But we were playing well then, we've now nose dived, so it's not the same at all, except for on paper, which we've done to death.
If that happens again, we'll be cemented as the biggest bottlers in the history of English football
So we still are relying on Salah though?
He is literally the only player we have who consistently scores or assists. We've fallen of a cliff performance wise when he's fallen off a cliff output wise.
Just stop lying to yourself
I'll give up the sport. Fuck it.
Oh I'm out too if that happens.
Bollocks mate - we’re 11 points ahead of them in the league, went further in all domestic cup comps, finished above them in the CL group stage and their lasting longer in the CL is more to do with the quality of opponents faced in R16 than anything else.
If their squad’s that fucking good why are they reliant on one player.
They’ll finish on less points than we did last season when we finished third, let alone this season.
Has they hyperbole of 2 worldie free kicks in one game gone to your head?
No, 2 worldie free kicks hasn't gone to my head. I'm just a realist when it comes to our squad. We played psg and they played psv. And? You play what's in front of you.
Madrid aren't that good this year, hence why we beat them 2-0 as well. Difference is, in current form I don't think we would have.
If our squads so fucking good why are we reliant on one player? We're more reliant on Salah than arsenal is in saka.
Our drop off recently when our best player is fit, is as bad as their drop off when they didn't have a striker and their best player.
I Think a lot of arsenal players are overrated, but equally I think a lot of ours are overrated.
I've said it a lot recently, that this summer I'd take the knife deep to our squad. There's players there starting, not on merit, but on cost.
I actually do imagine that, and given our tired performances half expect it.
Look at the Top 5 PL scorers - 21 Haaland is next highest, Wood has 18 and Mbeumo has 16 (even Diaz has 10)! If we didn't have Mo. then we'd have another striker (who'd likely be CF, because no way we'd be relying on Nunez + Jota) instead (and therefore a real winger too) so I think it fair to suggest that in this team he'd have scored 16-18 goals this season.
So no, not falling off a cliff or lying to myself. Some may think this is a one man team but it's not, despite Mo's outstanding goal haul.
If I'm Twitter, or talking to my mates, I'm probably saying what you're saying to Arsenal fans about the points difference. But on here, I look at things differently.
Odegaard was out for the early period of the season, plus the fact they had a lot of strange calls (Brighton/Man City) go against them early on whilst they were leading. Heh, I'm not complaining, but the gap would have been closer if they didn't happen. And it would really be squeaky bum time right now.
Also when we played against them at the Emirates, we were dominated for large parts of the game, which concerns me. We just exert the same level of control. When he had Klopp we'd create 10 chances and give away 10. Nowadays it feels like we create 5 and give away 5.
Many of our games this year have been won by the odd goal and we built great momentum early on (credit to us), but we're running out of steam now and we're lucky they've had so many injuries recently (Saka/Martinelli/Havertz/White/Calafiori/Gabriel) so are unlikely to close the gap in time this season.
But next season they could, and they only need 1 top CF, and they're most definitely ahead of us in terms of quality.
If I'm being completely objective.
Player for player (if I think of their ability/performances for their position), Arsenal look like they're in a good position to build:
Alisson 9/10 Raya 8/10
TAA 8.5/10 Timber 8/10
VVD 9/10 Gabriel 8/10
Konate 7.5/10 Saliba 8.5/10
Roberton 6.5/10 (on the way down) MLS 7/10 (on the way up)
Gravy 7.5/10 Partey 7.5/10 (on the way out for Zubi)
Macca 8/10 Rice 8/10
Szobo 7/10 Odegaard 7.5/10
Salah 9/10 (on the way down) Saka 8/10 (on the way up)
Gakpo 7/10 Martinelli 7/10
Jota 6.5/10 Havertz 7/10
85.5/100 (us) vs 84.5/10 (them)
We have world class players (Ali, TAA, VVD, Salah) propping up our team (3 of which could leave; 2 of whom are on the decline). Whereas they have players at a good age on the way up and closer to breaking into world class categories (Saliba, Saka, Rice, Timber, Gabriel).
Next season we'll need to replace Robbo and Jota at a minimum, and get more out of Gakpo and Szobo, because we can't bank on another Salah early season G/A hot streak (the way he's fallen off so badly again is concerning). In fact, a lot of the season his general performances haven't been world class. He's just been ridiculously clinical this season. But in terms of what I want to see out of a winger when they're not scoring I can't say I've been in awe of Salah this season.
Without mo I strongly doubt this team is 11 points clear. I even doubt that we'd be clear.
If mo got injured early doors, rather than him not existing, we might see a higher goal output from gakpo and Diaz, but the assists would be a lot less. Meaning we'd probably score less overall. Diaz and gakpo aren't all of a sudden going to become world beaters.
44 goal involvements mo has. Thats insane levels and I've no doubt that's why we're as far ahead as we are. If you believe that others would pick up the slack (when they haven't for months), then fine. But it's wrong
Where is this 'dropped off a cliff' stuff coming from, lads..?
Our last 10 league results are 7 wins, 2 draws, 1 defeat. Who's been better than us in that time frame? We drew 1-1 over 2.5 matches with the in form team in Europe, that everybody now expects to go on and win the trophy, and we lost a final to a very good Newcastle. That happens.
I think that the last half dozen years, with Cheaters 115 FC producing teams of such brilliance that anything beneath perfection meant failure, has skewed how many of you are looking at this year... THIS is normal football. THAT was the exception. Our losing 3 titles by a combined 4 points to those cheating cnuts has got many of us thinking that 90+ points is needed every season. It flippin' isn't.
I agree that our form has dropped off, yes. We've not been playing well. But we've been mostly winning, and this season 2nd place may not break 80 points - If we win at home against West Ham and away against the diabolical Leicester (both of which, I'm sure we all expect), we'll have 79... And we'll still be (at least) 11 points ahead, with just 15 left to play for.
Any chance of a little perspective, please..?
Our last 10 league results are 7 wins, 2 draws, 1 defeat. Who's been better than us in that time frame? We drew 1-1 over 2.5 matches with the in form team in Europe, that everybody now expects to go on and win the trophy, and we lost a final to a very good Newcastle. That happens.
I think that the last half dozen years, with Cheaters 115 FC producing teams of such brilliance that anything beneath perfection meant failure, has skewed how many of you are looking at this year... THIS is normal football. THAT was the exception. Our losing 3 titles by a combined 4 points to those cheating cnuts has got many of us thinking that 90+ points is needed every season. It flippin' isn't.
I agree that our form has dropped off, yes. We've not been playing well. But we've been mostly winning, and this season 2nd place may not break 80 points - If we win at home against West Ham and away against the diabolical Leicester (both of which, I'm sure we all expect), we'll have 79... And we'll still be (at least) 11 points ahead, with just 15 left to play for.
Any chance of a little perspective, please..?
Yeah, I'm all too happy to say that we've been the best performing team in the league this year. The league table says so. But I'm looking at the trajectory of both teams and the mitigating factors (their injuries vs ours).
If we win the league, I just don't want us to get complacent in the summer (again) and think this team is actually one of the great teams. It's not. Klopps 2019 team was better in nearly every area. We can be better. And while I don't see City immediately coming back into form next season, it means we have a chance to win 2 titles in a row and get to 21. The only team I see up there getting better next season competing with us is Arsenal (that's if we ourselves don't have a big fall off).
If we win the league, I just don't want us to get complacent in the summer (again) and think this team is actually one of the great teams. It's not. Klopps 2019 team was better in nearly every area. We can be better. And while I don't see City immediately coming back into form next season, it means we have a chance to win 2 titles in a row and get to 21. The only team I see up there getting better next season competing with us is Arsenal (that's if we ourselves don't have a big fall off).
All this shit is of Arsenal get a 9 they’d win it does also apply to us. We’ve had 10 players on the pitch most games because of how shit Nunez and Jota have been.
That is true, but who are you more confident in spending the money necessary in the summer to get that top forward?
Arsenal, who bought Rice for 105m when they needed a DM?
Or us under FSG, who pretended to want Caicedo after he was all but signed to Chelsea, and then spent 15m on Endo.
We spaffed £85 million on Nunez.
