Nutmegs..

[HC]

Hes a fantastic footballer.

He's not very going to reach Messi /ronaldo heights, he's started too late but he could easily spend the next three or so years as one of the top 5 forwards globally.

Bang for buck, it certainly raises question marks over the money spent on Rodrigues and Neymar, neither of whom will reach his level.

Ronaldo, bale and Suarez are all incredibly durable athletes who would succeed In any league, something the other top forwards seem to lack, Messi withstanding.

 

[Markeh]

I'm pretty sure Ronaldo and Messi are above world class, they are legendary. People will be talking about how they were 2 of the best players ever facing off against each other in the same league and blowing every other player out of the water.

You can still be world class and not be one of those two imo.

 

[Best Believe It]

Hes a fantastic footballer.

He's not very going to reach Messi /ronaldo heights, he's started too late but he could easily spend the next three or so years as one of the top 5 forwards globally.

Bang for buck, it certainly raises question marks over the money spent on Rodrigues and Neymar, neither of whom will reach his level.

Ronaldo, bale and Suarez are all incredibly durable athletes who would succeed In any league, something the other top forwards seem to lack, Messi withstanding.

There's a political aspect to these sorts of signings though when you talk about Rodriguez and Neymar. Barca and Real are constantly engaged in a game of one-upmanship as well as having to bring in a 'marquee signing' every year.

 

[James]

What is it about nutmegs though? I'm a CB and fucking rage if someone nutmegs me so the question is, why are nutmegs so embarrassing for the person on the receiving end?

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

I reckon it's an attack on your masculinity. Leaving your legs open and having them attacked, is a sign of weakness

 

[dmishra]

@barcastuff: Suarez is the first player in history to score 6 goals in his first 6 Champions League games with Barcelona #fcblive [via @barca19stats]

19 goals and 15 assists for the season already. Crazy man.

 

[tony]

Ha ha Ross just cannot admit he is wrong sometimes. Only two players around today who are world class, what a numpty.

 

[Rosco]

Ha ha Ross just cannot admit he is wrong sometimes. Only two players around today who are world class, what a numpty.

I haven't said that, I've said it's useless as a definition if itvallows one player who is half as good as the others it.

It's like saying England international is a mark of quality and comparing saying Gerrard and Andros Townsend are of similar quality.

Messi and Ronaldo are on a different level such that they cannot be included in the same category as Suarez, Bale, or anyone else you want to say is world class.

 

[Squiggles]

To say Luis Suarez isn't 'world-class' because of the talents of Ronaldo and Messi is disingenuous. I agree those two are a step above, and I also agree a new phrase is needed to describe those two, because the reality is they are some of the best football players to have ever lived and have proven that over a a 7-8 year period.

However in terms of sheer raw talent Luis Suarez isn't far behind and it's arguable his work ethic and competitiveness, which I believe surpasses Ronald and definitely Messi's, brings him closer to those two. What's letting him down is numbers and efficiency over an established period of time. He won't surpass or match those two for that during his time at Barcelona because his ability to finish consistently isn't in the same league, but Suarez will finish his career with more respect for his talents than is currently displayed, and will go down as one of the finest players of this generation. To be even making comparisons to Messi and Ronaldo at this stage, bearing in mind he's at his first 'elite club' is extremely high praise.

 

[C/O]

World Class - Messi Ronaldo

world class - Suarez et all

It's all in the capital letter.

 

[peekay]

Hes a fantastic footballer.

He's not very going to reach Messi /ronaldo heights, he's started too late but he could easily spend the next three or so years as one of the top 5 forwards globally.

Bang for buck, it certainly raises question marks over the money spent on Rodrigues and Neymar, neither of whom will reach his level.

Ronaldo, bale and Suarez are all incredibly durable athletes who would succeed In any league, something the other top forwards seem to lack, Messi withstanding.

Let us not include Neymar in the discussion. I would say there is a good chance Bale wont be worth the money spent more than Neymar.

Neymar is only 23 and improving. This is his second season and he is now close to 30 goals including 18 goals in the La liga. For the national team he has now scored almost 50 goals and is the fifth highest all time scorer for Brazil. These are not bad stats. Also he is one of the most marketable stars Barcelona have.

 

[6TimesaRed]

If Suarez is world class then a new term is needed to describe Messi and Ronaldo

So by that only Messi and Ronaldo are the only world class players in football then ?


your heads gone m8

 

[6TimesaRed]

19 goals and 15 assists for the season already. Crazy man.

World Class statistics...

 

[6TimesaRed]

To say Luis Suarez isn't 'world-class' because of the talents of Ronaldo and Messi is disingenuous. I agree those two are a step above, and I also agree a new phrase is needed to describe those two, because the reality is they are some of the best football players to have ever lived and have proven that over a a 7-8 year period.

However in terms of sheer raw talent Luis Suarez isn't far behind and it's arguable his work ethic and competitiveness, which I believe surpasses Ronald and definitely Messi's, brings him closer to those two. What's letting him down is numbers and efficiency over an established period of time. He won't surpass or match those two for that during his time at Barcelona because his ability to finish consistently isn't in the same league, but Suarez will finish his career with more respect for his talents than is currently displayed, and will go down as one of the finest players of this generation. To be even making comparisons to Messi and Ronaldo at this stage, bearing in mind he's at his first 'elite club' is extremely high praise.

Describes it to a T....

Great Post...


Messi an Ronaldo over the years have been at another Level.. Suarez though is not far behind..

It certainly does not mean he is not World Class..

 

[6TimesaRed]

What is it about nutmegs though? I'm a CB and fucking rage if someone nutmegs me so the question is, why are nutmegs so embarrassing for the person on the receiving end?

Because you have been made to look useless by allowing yourself to be exposed in such a way..

Only a few players can pull that trickery off.. Never have I seen a player pull it off consistantly as Suarez does...

 

[LeTallecWiz]

 

[kingjulian]

He has done enough to be considered in the same bracket as Messi and Ronaldo.

I know only two players who can move for a transfer sum upwardsof 75m gbp and make it look a bargain.

Ross clearly has no clue.

 

[kingjulian]

On that subject how many great players (players who have been touted as worldclass) have moved for a big transfer fee and do fuck all due to the crushing weight of expectation.

But Luis Suarez is indomitable and we all knew this already....

 

[Rosco]

19 goals in 34 games. Is that world class?

If it is then we need a new label for the players scoring 49 goals in 42 games and 47 goals in 47 games.

If the first is world class then a level above needs to be created for those players twice as good as the world class one.

I think that's a very simple argument. I think you need to be insane, have a serious head injury etc to suggest Suarez is anything close to Messi or Ronaldo. Never mind the fact that they've done it in top leagues for a decade and Suarez has done it for two years.


He's about as close to those two as he is to Balotelli this year, for the sake of some perspective

 

[Rosco]

On that subject how many great players (players who have been touted as worldclass) have moved for a big transfer fee and do fuck all due to the crushing weight of expectation.

But Luis Suarez is indomitable and we all knew this already....

How many people died of boredom of watching people trot out tired clichés as arguments?

 

[keniget]

I think that's a very simple argument. I think you need to be insane, have a serious head injury etc to suggest Suarez is anything close to Messi or Ronaldo. Never mind the fact that they've done it in top leagues for a decade and Suarez has done it for two years.

He's about as close to those two as he is to Balotelli this year, for the sake of some perspective

Suarez isn't at the level of Ronaldo and Messi but you'd have to be insane (or a troll...) to use that as a stick to beat him with and even more insane to make that final comment.

 

[James]

Trollsco.

 

[Rosco]

I've said he's probably top five in the world at the moment so I could hardly be accused of running him down by pointing out the blindingly obvious to a few people who don't seem to get it.

I wouldn't put Suarez in the same class as Balotelli because they don't compare well to each other likewise I wouldn't put him in the same one as Messi or Ronaldo for the same reason - that's the point. And he's about as similar to the two extremes.

 

[refugee]

 

[6TimesaRed]

I've said he's probably top five in the world at the moment so I could hardly be accused of running him down by pointing out the blindingly obvious to a few people who don't seem to get it.

I wouldn't put Suarez in the same class as Balotelli because they don't compare well to each other likewise I wouldn't put him in the same one as Messi or Ronaldo for the same reason - that's the point. And he's about as similar to the two extremes.

So he is one of the top 5 players in the world but....

He's capable of the spectacular, but he still falls short of world class.

😗....

 

[kingjulian]

How many people died of boredom of watching people trot out tired clichés as arguments?

I don't know about cliches but i do know that you are are a thundering cunthole...

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

This is just the long running argument over what world class means. It's anywhere from the top two players in the world(which is a new definition to me), to the top 4-5 per position. It's semantics.


For me the right one is the players that make the squad, so top two per position. Suarez makes that team.

 

[kingjulian]

He is now at the club where Messi has played all his career, and he is playing at a comparable level now!

I wouldn't mark him down for not being identified as a precocious talent as a teenager by one of the best clubs in the world. A career path was clearly drawn for Ronaldo and Messi, and they have made great use of it....but Suarez is different, and I wouldn't measure his ability just by comparing the goals and assist scored by Ronaldo and Messi through their career. He has had to work towards greatness, and i think he has arrived.

 

[Rosco]

This is just the long running argument over what world class means. It's anywhere from the top two players in the world(which is a new definition to me), to the top 4-5 per position. It's semantics.


For me the right one is the players that make the squad, so top two per position. Suarez makes that team.

Whereas I look at it as brackets within which the players are at the same level.

When it comes to forwards Messi and Ronaldo are in a bracket of their own.

Suarez is in the bracket below them.

I can't give those brackets the same title because the there is a huge gap between them. And it denigrates the best two players in the game to say their ability and career achievements, in top divisions, is somehow comparable to Suarez. (I also think if he never played for us, everyone would agree)

You could say their highlight packages might be of comparable standards, but you can't judge a player just by that.

People can call Suare whatever they want, but he's not on the same planet as Ronaldo and Messi. From both a statistical point of view, a longevity view, an achievement view.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

I don't think anyone thinks that Suarez is at their level, and no one has suggested he is, other than by using a loose undefined term to group the best players in the world at the minute.

He's also nowhere near as far off those two as you implied by saying he's as close to Balotelli, he's one of a few players about that can affect a game as much as they can, but he's certainly unlikely to ever been in their bracket. It's probable that no one will be for a long time.