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No Love for Wisdom?

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Wisdom just extended his contract and it's funny to me given all the hoopla surrounding some of our other youth, just how overlooked Wisdom seems to be.

He looks a little out of place playing RB at times, and has had the odd poor game, but at his age this doesn't really bother me. He is quite raw, but always looks for the ball and is an aggressive and confident player. Am I the only one who really rates Wisdom? I think he shows a lot of confidence when he plays and is a natural athlete. As he puts on a little more muscle mass I can see him developing into a really solid defender at the very least.
 
Ah, in my flu-ridden mind, my search for the thread consisted of scrolling down on the page and thinking that the word wisdom would pop out as though I were Lieutenant Commander Data processing new information. I'd like to think that in a normal state I'd CTRL-F.

Anyway, sorry.
 
Ah, in my flu-ridden mind, my search for the thread consisted of scrolling down on the page and thinking that the word wisdom would pop out as though I were Lieutenant Commander Data processing new information. I'd like to think that in a normal state I'd CTRL-F.

Anyway, sorry.

Get well soon!
 
I like Wisdom but he still looks a bit dodgy at times, backs off wingers too much until he's practically standing right in front of the keeper. Hopefully it's just a learning process. BTW he looks a lot older than he is.
 
I like Wisdom but he still looks a bit dodgy at times, backs off wingers too much until he's practically standing right in front of the keeper. Hopefully it's just a learning process. BTW he looks a lot older than he is.

He looks at least as old as Glen Johnson I reckon.
 
Impressed with the lad so far. Considering RB isn't his true position (he's a CB by trade) I reckon he's making a pretty good job of it when asked. Good move by the club IMHO.
 
Wisdom is learning the rigours of fullback and improving. He'll be immense when moved to the centre. He is a natural athlete.
 
@JohnsonDamian: Hear Liverpool defender Andre Wisdom's 1st TV interview on Football Focus Sat 1215 BBC1 #LFC
 
Wisdom is learning the rigours of fullback and improving. He'll be immense when moved to the centre. He is a natural athlete.

He's good in the air, but at 6"1 I'm not sure he has the aerial presence to progress to that role with us. That might change if we get some beasty Hyypia clone in at some point who could partner him, but until that happens I think his best chance is to develop in his current role.
 
He's good in the air, but at 6"1 I'm not sure he has the aerial presence to progress to that role with us. That might change if we get some beasty Hyypia clone in at some point who could partner him, but until that happens I think his best chance is to develop in his current role.
Kelly beast in the air. SebCo beast in the air.
 
I like Wisdom. He looks confident with the ball at his feet, and he look strong enough to get into a fight without worries. I have hopes that he can develop further. According to certain sources he is not a favourite with Suarez, but what the hell!!
 
Kelly beast in the air. SebCo beast in the air.

I don't think Kelly is a beast in the air. He might have been in the reserves, but not at senior level. And as big as he is, I don't think Coates is a beast in the air either. He certainly doesn't use his size as well as he could. I'd like to see more of him, but he seems to have fallen out of favour. I'd be surprised if Kelly or Wisdom ever made a name for themselves in the centre for us.
 
I don't think Kelly is a beast in the air. And as big as he is, I don't think Coates is a beast in the air either. He certainly doesn't use his size as well as he could. I'd like to see more of him, but he seems to have fallen out of favour. I'd be surprised if Kelly or Wisdom ever made a name for themselves in the centre for us.
They've never been given a chance and I think we should consider playing them in the cups.
 
Or buy the kid from Southamton, shaw or whatever.
But Im convinced Kelly, Coates and Wisdom are good enough. They just need more time they're still quite young.
 
i hope i'm wrong but I can see kelly doing a warnock and leaving us. a jack of all trades at the back but not great in any one position. hope i'm wrong!
 
Kelly's only disadvantage at the minute is his injury record.

Wisdom will make a very good centre half without a doubt.

Coates will leave due to lack of opportunities.
 
Tony Barrett
Last updated at 12:01AM, February 2 2013

Liverpool’s teenage defender is not complaining about criticism from the manager after defeat by Oldham, writes Tony Barrett
Andre Wisdom’s powerful physique fills the doorway. He is wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with the image of Mike Tyson that shows off a muscular neck and bulging biceps reminiscent of a prizefighter in peak condition. Somehow, it doesn’t seem the right moment to ask the hoody-wearing teenager if academy football has made him soft.
That is one of many uncomplimentary accusations to have been levelled at Wisdom and his fellow academy graduates since Liverpool were knocked out of the FA Cup by Oldham Athletic on Sunday. According to the prevailing theory, excessive pampering has weakened the youngsters and made them unprepared for tough testing grounds such as Boundary Park.
Attempting to provoke a positive reaction, Brendan Rodgers added fuel to the fire, telling his young players that they had to learn from their “rude awakening” or else risk a rapid fall from grace. In the opinion of some, those comments should have been confined to the dressing room.
Wisdom, though, believes that not only was the boot up their backsides, understandable, it was also justified. “The manager has been singing our praises so we have to respect what he says, even if it isn’t complimentary,” he said. “We all know when we’ve played well or not and we didn’t do ourselves justice at Oldham, so we have to take the result and the manager’s comments on the chin.
“Everyone takes defeat differently, but in this case I think I can speak on behalf of everyone at the club by saying none of us were happy. We don’t like to lose any game, we take every game seriously, whether it’s Oldham or Manchester United, but now we have to put this one behind us and look forward.”
Wisdom grew up in the next street to Micah Richards, the Manchester City defender, in the Chapeltown suburb of Leeds. “There must be something in the air,” is his response when asked about why one neighbourhood has produced two Premier League footballers of such physical precocity.
In some ways, though, the 19-year-old’s strength can give the wrong impression as, for all his power, Wisdom is a player who has been coached to build rather than destroy. In many respects, it is he — rather than the more naturally talented Raheem Sterling — who is the symbol of the possession-based culture that has permeated Liverpool’s academy ever since Rodolfo Borrell, who had previously worked for Barcelona, was appointed as the under-18s coach in July 2009.
“When you’re a young age and more physically developed than some of the other lads, it can be a bit easy at times because you know your strength means you can recover even if you do make a mistake,” Wisdom said. “I suppose now people expect me to be a bit of a bully on the pitch, but I like to get the ball down and play like I was coached at the academy.
“Rodolfo brought a different style to training. Obviously the Spanish way of playing is based on keeping the ball, a lot passing and possession and a big transition when you lose the ball. We noticed the change in style of coaching and playing straightaway and it’s been for the better. It’s played a big part in the way I’ve been progressing, especially with the new manager having the same sorts of methods.
“The upbringing we had at the academy has definitely helped me and the other lads keep progressing.”
Part of that upbringing was five-a-side matches involving Kenny Dalglish and, while the former Liverpool manager may not at present have a role at the club, his influence remains significant according to Wisdom.
“Kenny played a big part with a lot of people’s development,” the England Under-21 player said. “He was there, training with us and helping us and, when you are working with a legend like him, it can only ever help. He showed me how important it is to be a winner because, whenever we had training games, he would be a floater and would go on the same side as whichever team was winning. That’s how much it meant to him.”
The same passion to succeed has led to Jamie Carragher going from academy hopeful to a Liverpool veteran of 722 appearances. On Wednesday night at Arsenal, Wisdom had a verbal exchange with the 35-year-old that is likely to have delighted Rodgers, who has challenged his younger players to become more vocal and to stand up for themselves at all times.
“When you’re a young player, playing for such a big club, you are going to get noticed, but you have to stay humble and respect what the senior players are telling you,” Wisdom said. “But, when I think I’m in the right, I voice my opinion and it’s heard just as any other player’s would be.
“It’s something the manager encourages because every team needs leaders. Carragher is one and for me to be on the same pitch as him is an honour. If I could have half the career he’s had, I would be happy. He’s played more than 700 games for Liverpool now, which is phenomenal. When I think of what he’s done and what he’s achieved, it gives me something to strive for.”
After signing a new long-term contract last month, Wisdom impressed his coaches further when he made an impromptu visit to the academy to show his gratitude. “You can’t forget where you’ve come from,” he said.
“The support I got from the people working there, day in and day out, is something I’ll never forget. They helped me to get where I am today, so a quick ‘thank you’ and a shake of the hand doesn’t cost me anything.”
As for the suggestion the academy system produces mollycoddled players, Wisdom is as uncompromising as one of his tackles. “It’s not as easy and as pretty as it looks,” he said.
“There have been days when I’ve been on the back pitches at Kirkby and it’s throwing it down with hailstones, we’ve lost a game at the weekend and we have got to do loads of running and then a gym session. It’s a lot of hard work. But what is great about it is there is a really good structure, which means we are taught how to play football.”
 
Just to fly a bit of a kite . . . . . as Wisdom is a natural centre-back and Agger isn't, perhaps it would be worth trying Wisdom there and finding something else for Agger, who is a talented player but not good at dealing with crosses.
 
Just to fly a bit of a kite . . . . . as Wisdom is a natural centre-back and Agger isn't, perhaps it would be worth trying Wisdom there and finding something else for Agger, who is a talented player but not good at dealing with crosses.
It'd be worth a go against a team we should beat. I'd like to see wisdom at cb.
 
Just to fly a bit of a kite . . . . . as Wisdom is a natural centre-back and Agger isn't, perhaps it would be worth trying Wisdom there and finding something else for Agger, who is a talented player but not good at dealing with crosses.

What like Agger as a DM. Bit late in the career I think.
 
What like Agger as a DM. Bit late in the career I think.

Yes I think Agger would be well-suited to that job, particularly as he is capable of causing mayhem when he ventures forward. He is also a proven left-back although the question would then be what to do with Jose Enrique . . . . who can operate as a left midfielder . . . .
 
It'd be worth a go against a team we should beat. I'd like to see wisdom at cb.

Not in any other circs.though. I'm not a fan of tinkering with players' positions. That was one of Uncle Roy's biggest failings and we significantly underachieved in his time in charge IMO.
 
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