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Napoli reject Pool's Lavezzi bid (allegedly)

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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33686.msg884244#msg884244 date=1244466481]
RAAAAAAAAAAGE! 🙂

I think you're my favorite angry poster here dude, unless you're talking politics.
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now the bnp are on there way in i was gonna scope out second homes. what do you think of Israel? 😉
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=33686.msg884243#msg884243 date=1244466388]
i feel let down by rafa thats all. it wouldn't be so bad if he took responsibility instead of shifting blame.

lavezzi for 20 million and a key strength of his - the threat of what he might do is greater than what he actually does - sounds like babel
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When does Babel ever threaten to "win a free-kick, burst through a knot of defenders or lay the ball off to a now unmarked teammate, because the opposition is entirely preoccupied with him".

If it had been "threatens to misscontrol the ball off his shin, fail to go past any opposing player or shown a complete lack of awareness of the whereabouts of any of his team-mates", I might have agreed with you.
 
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=33686.msg884248#msg884248 date=1244466701]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33686.msg884243#msg884243 date=1244466388]
i feel let down by rafa thats all. it wouldn't be so bad if he took responsibility instead of shifting blame.

lavezzi for 20 million and a key strength of his - the threat of what he might do is greater than what he actually does - sounds like babel
[/quote]

When does Babel ever threaten to "win a free-kick, burst through a knot of defenders or lay the ball off to a now unmarked teammate, because the opposition is entirely preoccupied with him".

If it had been "threatens to misscontrol the ball off his shin, fail to go past any opposing player or shown a complete lack of awareness of the whereabouts of any of his team-mates", I might have agreed with you.

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off the scouting report no doubt when we bought him oh and off his 1st season with us as well
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=33686.msg884246#msg884246 date=1244466688]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33686.msg884244#msg884244 date=1244466481]
RAAAAAAAAAAGE! 🙂

I think you're my favorite angry poster here dude, unless you're talking politics.
[/quote]

now the bnp are on there way in i was gonna scope out second homes. what do you think of Israel? 😉
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i was gonna recommend cyprus.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=33686.msg884243#msg884243 date=1244466388]
i feel let down by rafa thats all. it wouldn't be so bad if he took responsibility instead of shifting blame.

lavezzi for 20 million and a key strength of his - the threat of what he might do is greater than what he actually does - sounds like babel
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You misunderstood the description.... it wasn't a criticism but a complement. According to that journalist he worries defenders and we simply don't have enough players that do. A Babel on top of his game does too to be fair to him, though.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33686.msg884253#msg884253 date=1244466885]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33686.msg884246#msg884246 date=1244466688]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33686.msg884244#msg884244 date=1244466481]
RAAAAAAAAAAGE! 🙂

I think you're my favorite angry poster here dude, unless you're talking politics.
[/quote]

now the bnp are on there way in i was gonna scope out second homes. what do you think of Israel? 😉
[/quote]

i was gonna recommend cyprus.
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Lebanon might suite Rage better. 😉
 
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=33686.msg884258#msg884258 date=1244467225]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33686.msg884253#msg884253 date=1244466885]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33686.msg884246#msg884246 date=1244466688]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33686.msg884244#msg884244 date=1244466481]
RAAAAAAAAAAGE! 🙂

I think you're my favorite angry poster here dude, unless you're talking politics.
[/quote]

now the bnp are on there way in i was gonna scope out second homes. what do you think of Israel? 😉
[/quote]

i was gonna recommend cyprus.
[/quote]

Lebanon might suite Rage better. 😉
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If he has issues with the BNP, he'll want to stay well away from Hezbollah
 
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[quote author=StevieM link=topic=33686.msg884248#msg884248 date=1244466701]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33686.msg884243#msg884243 date=1244466388]
i feel let down by rafa thats all. it wouldn't be so bad if he took responsibility instead of shifting blame.

lavezzi for 20 million and a key strength of his - the threat of what he might do is greater than what he actually does - sounds like babel
[/quote]

When does Babel ever threaten to "win a free-kick, burst through a knot of defenders or lay the ball off to a now unmarked teammate, because the opposition is entirely preoccupied with him".

If it had been "threatens to misscontrol the ball off his shin, fail to go past any opposing player or shown a complete lack of awareness of the whereabouts of any of his team-mates", I might have agreed with you.

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off the scouting report no doubt when we bought him oh and off his 1st season with us as well
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Yes. He showed the potential to overcome his many obvious flaws, particularly in his first season.

He then failed to overcome them.
 
one of the guys on talksport was saying they expect Tevez to go to city within the next day or two, seems one by one all the players we may have been interested are off to city it'll be glen johnson next :-\

If they keep it up they may break the top 4, Arsenal should be specially worried
 
Napoli signed Quagliarella a week ago for about 16m. I'm guessing they're bracing themselves for the sale of Lavezzi.

Tinto, it's funny though you mention it, but if United were in for this fella i'd probably think he was another superstar who we missed out on. But because it's us, and our lack of quality attacking signings over recent years, i'm not as enthusiastic as I would be.

Although, having said that, I remember when Aguero was at Independiente and he was issuing "come and get me" pleas to Liverpool, many said he wasn't a risk worth taking for 16m.. maybe they were right, maybe he wouldn't have made it here under Rafa's tutelage, but look at him now. I personally think 23-4 is the perfect age for any Rafa attacking signing. Any younger and I'd doubt Rafa could develop them enough technically. Any older, and they might be too old for Rafa to help develop them tactically (his main strength as a coach). Just like Torres when he first arrived, this guy seems to have the right tools for this league and perhaps under Rafa's tactical guidance (i.e. knowing his position better or making better runs), then he may flourish in this leagye.
 
[quote author=Tinto link=topic=33686.msg884242#msg884242 date=1244466255]
After looking at the youtube clip that Spidey posted my first thoughts are he is exactly the type of player that United would take a punt on. That is a player who is direct, quick, a good dribbler and can beat a man. If United were to sign him, I would think, bloody hell why aren't we after players like him?!

Of course United can afford 20m to take a punt on this lad but I'm not sure if we can. Also, I'm not sure if I would be completely happy if we did...

Gabriele Marcotti, a pretty decent Italian football journalist, describes Lavezzi as:-

Lavezzi operates as a second striker, with the freedom to roam either wing. He's a solid crosser who can also finish, but his speciality act is as simple as it is effective. He receives the ball, usually in space, beats a man, sucks a bunch of opponents towards him and then, one of three things happens: he either wins a free-kick, bursts through a knot of defenders or lays the ball off to a now unmarked teammate, because the opposition is entirely preoccupied with him.

"The threat of what Lavezzi might do is often greater than what Lavezzi actually does," says Catania manager Walter Zenga. "That's what makes him so dangerous. He makes his opponents worry."
Click to expand...

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Sounds exciting from the scout report.

I hope this isn't Mark Gonzales MK II though.
 
[quote author=DCH link=topic=33686.msg884268#msg884268 date=1244467591]
[quote author=Tinto link=topic=33686.msg884242#msg884242 date=1244466255]
After looking at the youtube clip that Spidey posted my first thoughts are he is exactly the type of player that United would take a punt on. That is a player who is direct, quick, a good dribbler and can beat a man. If United were to sign him, I would think, bloody hell why aren't we after players like him?!

Of course United can afford 20m to take a punt on this lad but I'm not sure if we can. Also, I'm not sure if I would be completely happy if we did...

Gabriele Marcotti, a pretty decent Italian football journalist, describes Lavezzi as:-

Lavezzi operates as a second striker, with the freedom to roam either wing. He's a solid crosser who can also finish, but his speciality act is as simple as it is effective. He receives the ball, usually in space, beats a man, sucks a bunch of opponents towards him and then, one of three things happens: he either wins a free-kick, bursts through a knot of defenders or lays the ball off to a now unmarked teammate, because the opposition is entirely preoccupied with him.

"The threat of what Lavezzi might do is often greater than what Lavezzi actually does," says Catania manager Walter Zenga. "That's what makes him so dangerous. He makes his opponents worry."
Click to expand...

[/quote]

Sounds exciting from the scout report.

I hope this isn't Mark Gonzales MK II though.
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What, you mean "Speedy" Gonzalez who wasn't very speedy at all!? He just moved his legs so quickly, but never actually ate up any ground?
 
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=33686.msg884271#msg884271 date=1244467797]
[quote author=DCH link=topic=33686.msg884268#msg884268 date=1244467591]
[quote author=Tinto link=topic=33686.msg884242#msg884242 date=1244466255]
After looking at the youtube clip that Spidey posted my first thoughts are he is exactly the type of player that United would take a punt on. That is a player who is direct, quick, a good dribbler and can beat a man. If United were to sign him, I would think, bloody hell why aren't we after players like him?!

Of course United can afford 20m to take a punt on this lad but I'm not sure if we can. Also, I'm not sure if I would be completely happy if we did...

Gabriele Marcotti, a pretty decent Italian football journalist, describes Lavezzi as:-

Lavezzi operates as a second striker, with the freedom to roam either wing. He's a solid crosser who can also finish, but his speciality act is as simple as it is effective. He receives the ball, usually in space, beats a man, sucks a bunch of opponents towards him and then, one of three things happens: he either wins a free-kick, bursts through a knot of defenders or lays the ball off to a now unmarked teammate, because the opposition is entirely preoccupied with him.

"The threat of what Lavezzi might do is often greater than what Lavezzi actually does," says Catania manager Walter Zenga. "That's what makes him so dangerous. He makes his opponents worry."
Click to expand...

[/quote]

Sounds exciting from the scout report.

I hope this isn't Mark Gonzales MK II though.
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What, you mean "Speedy" Gonzalez who wasn't very speedy at all!? He just moved his legs so quickly, but never actually ate up any ground?
[/quote]

Hee.. sounds just like the 'speedy' that we had. ;D
I have never seen Lavezzi played before. I guess we should trust Rafa on this if the transfer goes through.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33686.msg884269#msg884269 date=1244467625]
10 mil - worth a punt
20 mil - HUGE fucking gamble
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This is crux for me... if we got him £10m I would have no problems for Rafa to take a punt on this lad but for £20m I would want a much surer thing.

At the same time, I do feel the same way as Ibro. If United had got him, I would be extremely worried about him becoming another gem for them as he does seem to have all the tools that Ferguson likes.

I guess as we're so close to having a real chance of winning the league again, I'm just overly worried about us messing it all up this summer.
 
Speculation mounts over Serie A sensation.

The Rumour

A representative of Napoli star Ezequiel Lavezzi has confirmed that Liverpool have made an offer for his client and that the ball now lies firmly in the court of the Italian side.

Speculation regarding Rafael Benitez’s interest in the Argentine international has steadily increased in recent weeks while Serie A rivals Juventus and cash-rich Manchester City have also been linked with the 24-year-old who is an icon in Naples.

“The proposal of Liverpool is certain,†agent Eduardo Rossetto told Gazzetta dello Sport.
“One thing so far I have kept confidential, but it is well known in Naples; [Napoli director, Pierpaolo] Marino met twice with the Fifa agent Pablo Cosentino who invited him to arrange a meeting in Liverpool or Naples with the British.
“No [it has not happened]. And we do not want to compel Naples to sell the player.
“But I think it is a appropriate that the club consider the offer, judging it sufficient or insufficient.
“And if we can not compel them, neither can the directors impose anything on Lavezzi.
“We are speaking of a man, not a machine. The rights of one party are reflected in the other.â€

The Source: (Sport.co.uk)

The Analysis

So it does indeed appear that Rafa Benitez has shown in very clear terms that he is very much interested in the Napoli attacker but two things still remain unresolved.

One, the Serie A outfit wants a cool £18m for Lavezzi, which is incredibly inflated to say the least. Even if Liverpool had a bags of cash I seriously doubt Benitez would be pressurised into making the move he would simply take his money and look elsewhere.

Secondly the Argentine is clearly rated very highly by his agent but is he really THAT good? Yes he has had a good season in Naples but I sincerely doubt he is so talented as to warrant a regular starting place in the team and would surely have to prove himself in time but therefore would be an even more expensive proposition.

The Likelihood

Lavezzi to Liverpool: I think this deal will fall away and not be completed and the Anfield side won’t have lost out too badly.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33686.msg884269#msg884269 date=1244467625]
no idea why people are bringing up babel.

10 mil - worth a punt
20 mil - HUGE fucking gamble
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perhaps the 20m stated is clause related. Probably the reason why Napoli don't seeem to keen on the deal
 
[quote author=jimmy link=topic=33686.msg884258#msg884258 date=1244467225]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33686.msg884253#msg884253 date=1244466885]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33686.msg884246#msg884246 date=1244466688]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33686.msg884244#msg884244 date=1244466481]
RAAAAAAAAAAGE! 🙂

I think you're my favorite angry poster here dude, unless you're talking politics.
[/quote]

now the bnp are on there way in i was gonna scope out second homes. what do you think of Israel? 😉
[/quote]

i was gonna recommend cyprus.
[/quote]

Lebanon might suite Rage better. 😉
[/quote]

there's nothing like a cheap bottle of lebanese wine
 
[quote author=jan link=topic=33686.msg884324#msg884324 date=1244472371]
[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/v/lIY6z3iHQKw&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]
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MEH!
 
rafa wouldn't have a pot to piss in if this transfer went tits up

morientes - cheap
torres - huge rep (despite average stats)
keane - proven in england

to piss away 20 mil on a virtually unknown player when we are counting every dime...well I hope that works out for him.
 
He looks like he enjoys running at players and given that 95% of the fullbacks in the Premiership are shite he has a chance.
 
Don't be fooled by his lack of goals this season, he and Hamsik carried this Napoli team throughout the season. When either of them were injured the team really suffered.

I think he's a gem in the making. Lightning pace, can operate anywhere offensively and can create something on his own. I really think he would be a perfect player for us, can only improve aswell.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=33686.msg884345#msg884345 date=1244473677]
Don't be fooled by his lack of goals this season, he and Hamsik carried this Napoli team throughout the season. When either of them were injured the team really suffered.

I think he's a gem in the making. Lightning pace, can operate anywhere offensively and can create something on his own. I really think he would be a perfect player for us, can only improve aswell.
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Would you spend £20m on him though?
 
[quote author=Tinto link=topic=33686.msg884348#msg884348 date=1244473918]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=33686.msg884345#msg884345 date=1244473677]
Don't be fooled by his lack of goals this season, he and Hamsik carried this Napoli team throughout the season. When either of them were injured the team really suffered.

I think he's a gem in the making. Lightning pace, can operate anywhere offensively and can create something on his own. I really think he would be a perfect player for us, can only improve aswell.
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Would you spend £20m on him though?
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I only ever watched him on these very low quality youtube clips, but from what I've seen he is looking very promising. He likes to go at people (like Babel does) but is far more skillful and has far better conrtol than Babel.
However, splashing 20m on him would be a huge gamble. Rafa might be putting his Anfield future on the line with this lad if he splashes such a large chunk of our transfer budget on him (assuming it's 20m and assuming we don't have much more than that to spend). If it doesn't work out Rafa may find himself out of this club by the end of this season.
Can we give them Babel + some cash (5-8m)? I think this might be a good deal for us (again - I've only seen him in these clips...). Will they take Lucas and give us that Hamsik lad? 😉
 
Well, the reported bid is 17 mill, and yes I would pay that for him.
With the inflated prices in football and considering his talent, its a price that I expected.
To be honest, I'd actually pay an extra couple of mill because of his versatility and pace. If you've got pace, then the chance of being a success increases greatly.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=33686.msg884368#msg884368 date=1244475195]
Well, the reported bid is 17 mill, and yes I would pay that for him.
With the inflated prices in football and considering his talent, its a price that I expected.
To be honest, I'd actually pay an extra couple of mill because of his versatility and pace. If you've got pace, then the chance of being a success increases greatly.
[/quote]

Have you watched him much, Hansern?

Has he played out wide for Lazio this season, or just as a second striker?
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33686.msg884372#msg884372 date=1244475450]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=33686.msg884368#msg884368 date=1244475195]
Well, the reported bid is 17 mill, and yes I would pay that for him.
With the inflated prices in football and considering his talent, its a price that I expected.
To be honest, I'd actually pay an extra couple of mill because of his versatility and pace. If you've got pace, then the chance of being a success increases greatly.
[/quote]

Have you watched him much, Hansern?

Has he played out wide for Lazio this season, or just as a second striker?

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Napoli.
 
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