Monday madness

[Oncy]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=46552.msg1384309#msg1384309 date=1314006660]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46552.msg1384282#msg1384282 date=1314005411]
to be fair, lost of people were excited by the cole signing.
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That was kindof the idea of the cole signing. I thought it would go poorly and said so, but I didn't realize Cole was completely done.
[/quote]Yeah you very much did.

 

[Farkmaster]

What is the deal with all these various rumors coming up concerning meireles anyway?


Is this all just completely made up or have we actually been flirting with the idea of selling him for some bizarre reason?

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=46552.msg1384315#msg1384315 date=1314007204]
What is the deal with all these various rumors coming up concerning meireles anyway?


Is this all just completely made up or have we actually been flirting with the idea of selling him for some bizarre reason?
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I don't know whether it's made up but I don't think it's bizarre.

He's not a tackling DM like Lucas. He's not a creative midfielder like Adam. He's certainly not a winger like Downing and he's not taylormade for the 'whole' behind a striker.

Meireles, despite beeing a good footballer, hasn't got any key strengths and that could turn out to be vital for his Anfield career I'm affraid.

I haven't seen enough of Henderson to know whether he'll be as good as the money suggested but he'll play a lot of games and there's no way he's going to be picked before Downing which leads to the CM positions where I simply don't think he's fit to play in the Premier League. Far too fragile and not commanding enough.

 

[Farkmaster]

Meireles has a great range of passing and is a very creative player. We seem to want to pass it now, so he'll fit in nicely.

 

[peterhague]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=46552.msg1384315#msg1384315 date=1314007204]
What is the deal with all these various rumors coming up concerning meireles anyway?


Is this all just completely made up or have we actually been flirting with the idea of selling him for some bizarre reason?
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i think it was in the guardian's match report on saturday that a lot of the uncertainty is down to our failure to honour the previous regime's promise to improve his contract, and him wanting to leave as a result. i hope he doesn't go, but i reckon between the contract issue and the henderson signing it must still be in the balance. getting shut of aquilani would go a way to keeping him here, so fingers crossed the bog-eyed twat finally fucks off.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=46552.msg1384327#msg1384327 date=1314008010]
Meireles has a great range of passing and is a very creative player. We seem to want to pass it now, so he'll fit in nicely.
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At times yes. He's also got a very sloppy first touch and poor vision at times too.

I remember how frustrating he could be to watch at times last Season as he could time and time again give away easy possession and then lack the strength/will to win the ball back. He's been tried in different positions which obviously hasn't helped him but he's certainly showed almost as many weaknesses as strengths in my opinion.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=KHL link=topic=46552.msg1384335#msg1384335 date=1314008298]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=46552.msg1384327#msg1384327 date=1314008010]
Meireles has a great range of passing and is a very creative player. We seem to want to pass it now, so he'll fit in nicely.
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At times yes. He's also got a very sloppy first touch and poor vision at times too.

I remember how frustrating he could be to watch at times last Season as he could time and time again give away easy possession and then lack the strength/will to win the ball back. He's been tried in different positions which obviously hasn't helped him but he's certainly showed almost as many weaknesses as strengths in my opinion.
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[singlerider]

He's a great player who scored some important goals and was instrumental in much of the fluid, dynamic and downright sexy play we were showing at the end of last season.

I have no idea why anyone would contemplate selling him, nor why Henderson seems to be ahead of him in the pecking order

 

[the_khl]

I litterally don't understand any of your replies to me in this thread mate.

Please elaborate.

Tom Selleck?

Back-pass?

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46552.msg1384343#msg1384343 date=1314008699]
He's a great player who scored some important goals and was instrumental in much of the fluid, dynamic and downright sexy play we were showing at the end of last season.

I have no idea why anyone would contemplate selling him, nor why Henderson seems to be ahead of him in the pecking order
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And you are not confusing Raul with Suarez?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=KHL link=topic=46552.msg1384344#msg1384344 date=1314008723]
I litterally don't understand any of your replies to me in this thread mate.

Please elaborate.

Tom Selleck?

Back-pass?
[/quote]Nah. These are the kind of arguments that make me think less of people so i dont think i will bother.

 

[singlerider]

Obviously Suarez was an important part of it as well, but I think Raul played a crucial role in it as well.

Sometimes sans Raul we looked a bit ploddy and lacking

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46552.msg1384358#msg1384358 date=1314009169]
Obviously Suarez was an important part of it as well, but I think Raul played a crucial role in it as well.

Sometimes sans Raul we looked a bit ploddy and lacking
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Yep. No coincidence that we went to pot too in the last two games last season when he was absent. The movement of him and Luis will be crucial to us this season, because without them we look predictable.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46552.msg1384355#msg1384355 date=1314009099]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=46552.msg1384344#msg1384344 date=1314008723]
I litterally don't understand any of your replies to me in this thread mate.

Please elaborate.

Tom Selleck?

Back-pass?
[/quote]Nah. These are the kind of arguments that make me think less of people so i dont think i will bother.
[/quote]
Why so weird mate?

Always thought well of Selleck.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46552.msg1384369#msg1384369 date=1314009651]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46552.msg1384358#msg1384358 date=1314009169]
Obviously Suarez was an important part of it as well, but I think Raul played a crucial role in it as well.

Sometimes sans Raul we looked a bit ploddy and lacking
[/quote]

Yep. No coincidence that we went to pot too in the last two games last season when he was absent. The movement of him and Luis will be crucial to us this season, because without them we look predictable.
[/quote]And Maxi lads AND Maxi.
Those three beautiful Latino bastards are the key to EVERYTHING.
Maxi-Suarez-Meireles.

Awesomeness.

 

[the_khl]

Anyone care to explain why Oncy believes it was a back-pass from Raul to Suarez against Arsenal that led to the goal?

And is there an ongoing Tom Selleck-joke I don't know about?

Am I beeing whooshed?

 

[redsar]

[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46552.msg1384343#msg1384343 date=1314008699]
He's a great player who scored some important goals and was instrumental in much of the fluid, dynamic and downright sexy play we were showing at the end of last season.

I have no idea why anyone would contemplate selling him, nor why Henderson seems to be ahead of him in the pecking order
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46552.msg1384369#msg1384369 date=1314009651]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46552.msg1384358#msg1384358 date=1314009169]
Obviously Suarez was an important part of it as well, but I think Raul played a crucial role in it as well.

Sometimes sans Raul we looked a bit ploddy and lacking
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Yep. No coincidence that we went to pot too in the last two games last season when he was absent. The movement of him and Luis will be crucial to us this season, because without them we look predictable.
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This.

 

[singlerider]

[quote author=KHL link=topic=46552.msg1384380#msg1384380 date=1314010113]
Anyone care to explain why Oncy believes it was a back-pass from Raul to Suarez against Arsenal that led to the goal?

And is there an ongoing Tom Selleck-joke I don't know about?

Am I beeing whooshed?
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you said the assist to Suarez, which was the second goal (1st was OG) and so Oncy is saying that in the assist Raul took one-touch and played the ball slightly backwards - hence it cannot be offside and he didn't hang on to the ball too long, which is what you accused him of

"I know he assisted Suarez but he actually kept hold of the ball too long before letting it go and the linesman could've easily flagged offside."

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46552.msg1384389#msg1384389 date=1314010775]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=46552.msg1384380#msg1384380 date=1314010113]
Anyone care to explain why Oncy believes it was a back-pass from Raul to Suarez against Arsenal that led to the goal?

And is there an ongoing Tom Selleck-joke I don't know about?

Am I beeing whooshed?
[/quote]

you said the assist to Suarez, which was the second goal (1st was OG) and so Oncy is saying that in the assist Raul took one-touch and played the ball slightly backwards - hence it cannot be offside and he didn't hang on to the ball too long, which is what you accused him of

"I know he assisted Suarez but he actually kept hold of the ball too long before letting it go and the linesman could've easily flagged offside."
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See Oncy, that's how easy a simple misunderstanding can be panned out. Use your keyboard and we shall prevail.

I obviously meant leading up to the first goal, the own goal, where he played Suarez with a deep ball. His assist to Suarez for the second was flawless, why would I accuse that pass of beeing anything but good?

 

[spider-Neil]

the pass for the second goal was sublime
the pass for the first goal was a cock up and only due to a mix up in the arsenal defense did we score

 

[The Slugmonster]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46552.msg1384262#msg1384262 date=1314004149]
He's fucking epic that cunt and Chelsea can get fucked.
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Haha.....Love it

 

[Farkmaster]

KHL, there are times when posters end up with very divergent views on a player, and that's normal.


You are in that other wierd territory though. You think a player is poor when that player is widely considered to have been a success. This puts in you contradiction with the manager, who suggested that he was a useful substitute. It puts you in contradiction with the facts, which without any statistical wiggle room, suggest he was productive last year. You actually attack his technical ability which on the face of it is one of his strengths.


Because you are so far off base with believing he's poor, and overstate your case, it leads you into territory where you are picking at an individual play, where we actually went a goal up, and zaprudering it. It's a bit silly.


Meireles was one of the only highlights of an awful season last year. If Hodgson had made an error with the Meireles purchase on the level of all his other failures, last year would have been an unmitigated disaster.


Meireles has been at the heart of much of our best play. He's not without his flaws and limitations, like any player, but those flaws will be less apparent if we are playing good football, which we want to do anyway. The real problem with our midfield is that we haven't yet flogged those players who are surplus to requirements, and that we lack an athletic DM who could compete with Lucas, not that we can choose between Henderson, Adam, and Meireles.

 

[singlerider]

On a slight tangent - being as we're fairly well stocked in the more attackingy side of CM, and somewhat lacking in the DM side of things . . .

Would we have been better off chasing someone like Diarra at £10M to compete with or replace Lucas (or free him up to play a different role) rather than splashing the cash on Henderson.

I say this as somebody who has watched very little of either Diarra or Henderson, but coming at it from the point of view that in Lucas and Spearing we're not exactly blessed with depth and options at DM, whereas with Gerrard, Meireles, Aquilani, Henderson and Adam (plus arguably Lucas) we're overflowing with creative CMs

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=46552.msg1384402#msg1384402 date=1314011845]
KHL, there are times when posters end up with very divergent views on a player, and that's normal.


You are in that other wierd territory though. You think a player is poor when that player is widely considered to have been a success. This puts in you contradiction with the manager, who suggested that he was a useful substitute. It puts you in contradiction with the facts, which without any statistical wiggle room, suggest he was productive last year. You actually attack his technical ability which on the face of it is one of his strengths.


Because you are so far off base with believing he's poor, and overstate your case, it leads you into territory where you are picking at an individual play, where we actually went a goal up, and zaprudering it. It's a bit silly.


Meireles was one of the only highlights of an awful season last year. If Hodgson had made an error with the Meireles purchase on the level of all his other failures, last year would have been an unmitigated disaster.


Meireles has been at the heart of much of our best play. He's not without his flaws and limitations, like any player, but those flaws will be less apparent if we are playing good football, which we want to do anyway. The real problem with our midfield is that we haven't yet flogged those players who are surplus to requirements, and that we lack an athletic DM who could compete with Lucas, not that we can choose between Henderson, Adam, and Meireles.
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I've never said he was 'poor'? Where do you get that from?

I think he's a good player who simply could turn out to be surplus to requirements due to the fact he's not got any real key strengths (in my opinion).

I even said that in an ideal world we'd keep hold on him as he'd be a splendid impact player but I don't think he'd like that role.

You are the one that are clearly overstating your own case here to make some sort of point. I'm merely arguing why I can see why he could be moved on.

 

[MomoWASright]

Kuyt to Inter?

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/?action=read&id=289501

Liverpool, ag. Kuyt: "Inter interesting offer"
22/08/2011 11:55 by Ivan Cardia Article read 7186 times

At Inter back in fashion Dirk Kuyt (31). The Dutch striker for Liverpool, who in the past has often been targeted by Inter, likely to land finally in Italy, said as his agent in Holland. This is taken from the fcinternews.it : "Inter have made ??an attractive offer, Dirk has to think about it. However, the two clubs have yet to deal with."

 

[Farkmaster]

Sorry, he's not poor, I'd be crazy to think that you thought he was, he's just "not good enough", "hasn't got any key strengths", is "surplus to requirements", "has showed as many weaknesses as strengths", has "poor vision" and a "poor first touch".


He's so NOT poor in fact, that you've comfortably asserted he can't compete with henderson and adam, who instead of having a productive season with us, have had two games, and have been quite average in those games.

 

[Ossi]

[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46552.msg1384411#msg1384411 date=1314013009]
On a slight tangent - being as we're fairly well stocked in the more attackingy side of CM, and somewhat lacking in the DM side of things . . .

Would we have been better off chasing someone like Diarra at £10M to compete with or replace Lucas (or free him up to play a different role) rather than splashing the cash on Henderson.

I say this as somebody who has watched very little of either Diarra or Henderson, but coming at it from the point of view that in Lucas and Spearing we're not exactly blessed with depth and options at DM, whereas with Gerrard, Meireles, Aquilani, Henderson and Adam (plus arguably Lucas) we're overflowing with creative CMs
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We sure need a "real" dm imo. But, as it feels right now, we really need to offload the fringe players. Lots of rumours but not much has happened, has it? We still have Jones, Cole, Maxi, Pacheco, Kyrgiakos, (Spearing), Ngog, Poulsen, Shelvey, Degen, Insua and Aquilani on our books.

I wouldn´t mind if we kept Cole or Aquilani (IF he want´s to stay...which he doesn´t seem to want).
Maxi could be useful to have on the bench over the season but isn´t he on high wages?
Kyrgiakos can leave- we have back up.
Pacheco and Shelvey should go on loan.
Insua, Spearing, Poulsen and Degen must go.
Ngog- Don´t rate him. Let him go.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=KHL link=topic=46552.msg1384391#msg1384391 date=1314011078]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46552.msg1384389#msg1384389 date=1314010775]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=46552.msg1384380#msg1384380 date=1314010113]
Anyone care to explain why Oncy believes it was a back-pass from Raul to Suarez against Arsenal that led to the goal?

And is there an ongoing Tom Selleck-joke I don't know about?

Am I beeing whooshed?
[/quote]

you said the assist to Suarez, which was the second goal (1st was OG) and so Oncy is saying that in the assist Raul took one-touch and played the ball slightly backwards - hence it cannot be offside and he didn't hang on to the ball too long, which is what you accused him of

"I know he assisted Suarez but he actually kept hold of the ball too long before letting it go and the linesman could've easily flagged offside."
[/quote]
See Oncy, that's how easy a simple misunderstanding can be panned out. Use your keyboard and we shall prevail.

I obviously meant leading up to the first goal, the own goal, where he played Suarez with a deep ball. His assist to Suarez for the second was flawless, why would I accuse that pass of beeing anything but good?
[/quote]Oh! Ok. Well then in that case the Tom Selleck picture was from three men and a little lady where he gets in trouble for using the term 'What a crock' in front of little Mary.
So i used that picture rather than actually go to the trouble of typing what Farkmaster has taken the trouble to (and is probably wondering why he bothered) that you are talking shit and almost everything youve posted in every thread you have posted in the past 24 hours and probably all the words you have said to all the people you know and all the thoughts you have had in your head and the dreams you have had and the ideas and concepts you have mused on and that every single brain synapse that has fired off and given you the impulse to post, talk, think or dream in that same time period has been wrong and you are in fact talking utter shit and everything you have said thought, done and dreamt has deserved the solitary response 'What a crock'

Youre right, thats much better.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=46552.msg1384420#msg1384420 date=1314013958]
Sorry, he's not poor, I'd be crazy to think that you thought he was, he's just "not good enough", "hasn't got any key strengths", is "surplus to requirements", "has showed as many weaknesses as strengths", has "poor vision" and a "poor first touch".


He's so NOT poor in fact, that you've comfortably asserted he can't compete with henderson and adam, who instead of having a productive season with us, have had two games, and have been quite average in those games.
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I guess now I know what it feels like to be randomly quoted by some tabloid media in their quest for turning and twisting views.

Raul Meireles - At times last Season he was very impressive. At times last Season I thought he was terribly frustrating to watch as well. A lot of hits but more than a few misses as well.

Adam, in my opinion, is a completely different breed of midfielder than Raul hence I don't believe there's much competition there. Raul looks to thrive more further up field and certainly doesn't seem quite able to cope with the physical aspect of the English game. He's mobile and he's a goal-threat as well. Can pick a pass but not like Adam. In my opinion.

Henderson is Kenny's man. Brought in for loads of cash. I don't know whether that's going to prove a good buy or not as I've already said mind, but he's going to play many games this Season as the start has already suggested. Downing is much more of a winger why he's a given and with both Kuyt, Carroll and Suarez bound to be playing most games - and Gerrard hopefully coming back from injury - I can see Raul beeing the one drawing the shortest straw. Especially if good money is beeing offered.

I do not understand one bit why on earth this view should be seen upon as 'controversial' and why it had deserved your rather patronizing reply. Anyways let's move on.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46552.msg1384424#msg1384424 date=1314014299]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=46552.msg1384391#msg1384391 date=1314011078]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46552.msg1384389#msg1384389 date=1314010775]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=46552.msg1384380#msg1384380 date=1314010113]
Anyone care to explain why Oncy believes it was a back-pass from Raul to Suarez against Arsenal that led to the goal?

And is there an ongoing Tom Selleck-joke I don't know about?

Am I beeing whooshed?
[/quote]

you said the assist to Suarez, which was the second goal (1st was OG) and so Oncy is saying that in the assist Raul took one-touch and played the ball slightly backwards - hence it cannot be offside and he didn't hang on to the ball too long, which is what you accused him of

"I know he assisted Suarez but he actually kept hold of the ball too long before letting it go and the linesman could've easily flagged offside."
[/quote]
See Oncy, that's how easy a simple misunderstanding can be panned out. Use your keyboard and we shall prevail.

I obviously meant leading up to the first goal, the own goal, where he played Suarez with a deep ball. His assist to Suarez for the second was flawless, why would I accuse that pass of beeing anything but good?
[/quote]Oh! Ok. Well then in that case the Tom Selleck picture was from three men and a little lady where he gets in trouble for using the term 'What a crock' in front of little Mary.
So i used that picture rather than actually go to the trouble of typing what Farkmaster has taken the trouble to (and is probably wondering why he bothered) that you are talking shit and almost everything youve posted in every thread you have posted in the past 24 hours and probably all the words you have said to all the people you know and all the thoughts you have had in your head and the dreams you have had and the ideas and concepts you have mused on and that every single brain synapse that has fired off and given you the impulse to post, talk, think or dream in that same time period has been wrong and you are in fact talking utter shit and everything you have said thought, done and dreamt has deserved the solitary response 'What a crock'

Youre right, thats much better.
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That's one of the most sorry posts the Internet have seen in months.

Have you gone completely mental?