You are right, Jules. Kenny had done a good job of stabilising the situation following the sacking of Hodgson, and in the circumstances it was difficult to consider appointing anybody else.
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You are right, Jules. Kenny had done a good job of stabilising the situation following the sacking of Hodgson, and in the circumstances it was difficult to consider appointing anybody else.
OK, I'll stop doing it. From now on I promise that I'll stop being WUM-ish.
But let me just say that maybe the reason I do bring it up is my way of proving that I might not have been that delusional? Since what I said was so "controversial" that people got personal about it.
As you can see I've been a member for a long time and at first I was a bit timid about expressing my opinions here (language barrier and all). My confidence has grown since. It doesn't excuse my choice of words at times but maybe I'm "too into" overemphasising my opinions nowadays.
Take it as an apology, to those who've been riled by recent posts, I promise that I'll tone it down from now on. Seriously.
Mate, I can always start a Middle East thread, or a God thread, or perhaps a racism thread. You'll see discussion take off if that's what you like? 🙂
Isn't the point that whomever comes in will have a mandate and time to build a team to challenge. On the evidence of Kenny's current sesason performance, does he really warrant a second season in charge? If this was any other coach we'd be calling for their heads like we did Houllier's, Rafa's and Hodgson's. Kenny doesn't get a pass because of his legendary status. He is culpable and must answer because the criticism is not only justified but warranted.
I've always had a soft spot for you Modo - Props for proving that at least about people I still right (most of the time!)
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No you are boring.
How is that for an argument.
Actually it is entirely Lucas's fault.
Ever since he became goodish there is nobody willing to argue that he is shit.
though Dimish, Rosco and Pesam are waiting in the wings for next season I suspect
If you remembered the way the forum was when Piedro was moderating, you'd realize how dope he really is.
Yes, whoever we appoint as manager should have a mandate and time to build a team to challenge, as you say. But I assume you are saying then that the time element of that is one season? Would that be the same for everyone? Or would you allow longer for some, and based on what?
Kenny is not getting a 'pass', but he was not born with legendary status. He has it because he was one of our most successful managers. Does that not give him more than one season?
Modo, I genuinely don't think that that you need to temper your opinions too much but just change the style and presentation of them.
Debate and diversity of opinion is a healthy thing and is largely welcomed by most on here but posters who are deemed to be on a wind up or similar, rightly or wrongly, are largely viewed with suspicion.
It should be the same for everyone but it isn't. Houllier, Rafa and Hodgson are testament to this. Kenny has another season but he even he. Has much to prove.
So let's wait and see how it turns out. Let's hope for something special because thus far Kenny has failed to live up to even his own expectations let alone ours.
Modo comes across as someone who takes great pleasure in being right and telling people 'I told you so'. This is an annoying trait under the best of circumstances, but when you are revelling in telling us you predicted the shit the club is currently in, well, just fuck off. You get no brownie points from me. Also being generally pessimistic and negative seems like such a pointless attitude from a football fan. Ok, we are all feeling down now, but if you can't get a bit excited and delusional at the beginning of a season, then what is the point?
I've found the attacks at almost everything to do with club that have steadily cumulated over the last few years on here difficult to understand. It's been a few tough years on and off the pitch and that's not going to be fixed for a good while yet and thought of that makes me skin crawl given what's gone on this site over the last 18 months. I don't even know if it's some of the posters or if it's me but some personas have changed drastically over the years and it baffles me. I now feel a massive disconnect with this site. I don't enjoy it any more. I miss the good natured banter. I miss the alternative humour. I miss the interesting discussions. It's all like one big battle regardless of the subject and there's constant dragging up of old shite and opinions to use as a stick to beat people with. There's so much fucking smart arsery, bile, frustration and know-it-all bollocks spouted here all the time it's become hugely frustrating for many people and somewhat pointless. Loads of old seasoned posters no longer bother and evens some of the mods don't seem to give a fuck about actually moderating any more. The site seems completely split on opinion and, let's face it, no- one his going to shift viewpoints nor do would I expect them to. I'd expect people to debate certain points people are making and understand at least some of those viewpoints. Doesn't happen.
As I say, I appreciate it might be me that's changed without realising but I've completely lost my love for this site now. I just ain't feeling it any more and I'm not sure it's coming back. I've tried a break but didn't really work. I certainly no longer want to invest any more time, money and hour upon hour of hard effort into this site any more because this forum as it exists today just isn't worth it. Whereas I'm not going to leave the other owners in the shit, because that's not in my nature, I do want to step down as an owner and mod going forwards. I'm putting stuff together soon so it will make it easier for the other lads this week and will look to step down soon after. Id rather hand over to someone who's got a bit of passion for the site as mines gone now. I'm still going to get my fix of course but it needs to be limited because each time I come on here lately I either sigh or get really frustrated and angry. I miss coming here and laughing. It's a fucking shame that.
You know, I appreciate we've been calamitous as a footballing entity but I always have the view that we'd stand behind our club through the wind and the rain. Seems for me some need The Lying Rag shining eternally before they can do that. It's OK to criticise us being shite, of course it is - and rightly so at times. It's never OK ( in my book ) to disrespect the club, its players and, most importantly, each other as fans the way some have. I include myself in that last point sometimes. I'll never understand that. Maybe, like Vlad, my views are no longer relevant to the modern game and the necessity for fast fixes and instant success that seems so prevalent. I understand everyone is frustrated to fuck though, we all feel that as fans. If you dont feel it then you may as well stop watching footy. Still doesn't excuse the way we act towards each other and the club we all profess to love and support though.
Maxi Jazz used to end each gig with the same phrase - be good to each other, we're all we've got. Think about it.
Sad to hear it Sean, the transfer window will be open soon though, so we can stop discussing Kenny and our current players and move on to slating or orgasming over possible recruitments we've never heard of instead!
Rightly, Kenny is generating criticism for our performance in the league this season. He is also generating some praise for winning our first trophy in six seasons though it doesn't cover over the cracks that our league form has opened.
Subsequent to Ged being sacked for struggling into forth place in 2004, Rafa with a strengthened squad dropped a position in the league. However,mostly thanks to a wonderful run which ended gloriously in Istanbul, there were crumbs of optimism that he could significantly improve our league position.
Similarly I can see areas where the club is moving in the right direction, after a number of seasons of going backwards.
Our early season form was at time excellent and was not reflected in the number of points garnered.
Time and again we have proven we are capable of competing with and beating the best that the premiership has to offer. It is the mediocrity that we seem to struggle against
A loss of players/form/belief have been particularly crippling.
I wouldn't with complete certainty say that Kenny will turn things around next season. But then again I wouldn't have the conviction that any manager would achieve that.
This is all very much a new project, a revolution rather than an evolution despite the comforting sight of familiar faces at the helm, Let's give it a proper amount of time to work.
After all we are not Chelsea.
Or even worse Newcastle
You're right count, and I do want him to continue, i just need to see signs of progress. If we win the FA cup, or at least do ourselves justice in the final, as well as show some heart in the league i'd be happy for him to stay.
But if he can't make players play for Liverpool, the club he is so synonymous with, then i'm not sure whether he is the right man for the job.
But if he can't make players play for Liverpool, the club he is so synonymous with, then i'm not sure whether he is the right man for the job.
Macca, can you tell me how the behaviour of switching off/logging off is substantially different to just ignoring the same posts you're logging off to avoid? I recognize there is a subtle difference but the result is essentially the same and I fail to see how it demonstrates that you're not treating it as water off a ducks back.
I think it's just a microcosm of life; if you let every moron out there provoke you with their near institutional stupidity you'd be spending most days in court facing assault charges - or in prison reflecting on them. You choose the battles / debates that are worth having. As they say, never argue with a fool - they just bring you down to their level then beat you with experience.
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See, I'll take issue with that cause I generally like your posts and respect your opinions but that statement is everything that's wrong with football today and a product of the microwave, fast food, instant success notion of the new generation. Success isn't a given; it's not a promise - it has to be earned. City are finding it out the hard way - they've come in with more money than any club in history and tried to buy success more blatantly than any club in history; and they're going to fail quite painfully.
The Chavs were the exception to the rule but too many people have taken hold of that exception and claimed it should be our business model; like a dot com approach to football but a shorter life span.
While some won't like the idea we need to be modelling on the mancs - or more correctly Shanks and Paisley - not the short lived success of Chelsea. I'm sure that City will win the league sometime soon but we want something that wins it and continues to be winning or there abouts for the next 30 years.
Like it or not we won't get success in the league in a season; the mancs recognized that and stayed with Ferguson while he got the team sorted the way he wanted and had tweaked/revamped his own thoughts and understanding along the way. They've been reaping the success of that approach for some 20+ years. Blackburn, Leeds, Newcastle, the Chavs - they all went the other approach and where are they now? City have done the same and what have they won over the last 3 years?
That doesn't mean that you stick with whoever happens to be in the job. We don't blindly wait for success on the basis that enough time will deliver it like some kind of macro-evolution theory which doesn't work in nature and won't work in football. But it does mean you look at a managers history, realize they've done it before and give them a chance to set up the model they want and tweak/revamp it along the way. The approach promoted here would have seen Shanks, Ferguson or Capello gone within two years and it'll see every other manager we ever hire gone in the same fashion.
We all knew (I hope) that Kenny was going to have to learn a little on the way; he's been out for too long to just walk back in with success in his pocket. He needs to find his feet and that takes time; needs to evaluate the model and, more importantly, the manner in which he wants to put that in place. He's got things he has to learn but he's also got a footballing foundation second to none and that makes him more than worthy of the patience some on here are demanding.
See, it's these kinda posts that make me want to believe. If he wins the FA cup as well, i can't imagine he'd be sacked anyway, i just want to see that he's prepared to make changes.
Never a truer word was written or said. Thanks for that Count.
Can I just say, I was really angry after the game, but I generally don't take exception to people being critical, but Modo and Ryan and Hmmmmm and a few others seem to constantly use it as a tool to score points, while everyone else is sore about a game, they come in everytime with "I told you so's". It's annoying and frankly, the manner in which they seem to have more focus on whether they were right or wrong, rather than discussing the point without being cunt about it, is frustrating and in most cases, downright arrogant.
Show me where he's been "personally abused" and where posters have "disrespected everything he has done for the club".
Please.
Nonsense mate.
You were being sarcastic, effusive, and refusing to back up any of your mardy points with a bit of substance. Your sole retort to everyone seemed to be "read Ross' post from yesterday". What does that even mean?
You've known my stance on Dalglish for months, so don't give it the old 'yeah but you're taking the piss when I'm trying to debate' shit.
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