Thanks, Jules. I do have the feeling that some of the new players who have struggled will come good in time.
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Now then, Macca!
Welcome to the forum Peter. I tend to agree as far as Downing goes, I just don't see it with Carroll. Henderson has age on his side (I know Carroll does, but I'm not sure his first touch and attitude have a remedy) , I'm not massively convinced by Enrique, though as I've said a few times before, the flaws in his game can easily be ironed out. By and large he's been a good buy, especially for the price. I think Adam is a good player but he's just not physically capable and gives away countless silly freekicks.
For me:
I can't see Downing being anything more than average. If we can get a good price for him, I wouldn't mind him moving on.
Carroll will go on to be a good/great player if he ever sorts his head out.
Henderson: Well, time will tell. He's not good enough at the minute though.
Enrique: I'd keep him for another season or two. We have plenty of young full backs coming through, and Enrique has been one of our better players this season. I see no reason to mess with that.
Adam. Was doing a lot better when he had Lucas beside him. I'm not sure whats gone wrong, but even at his best, we could improve on him.
Bellamy: Our best signing, it's just a shame about his fitness.
But if he was right, and people mocked and derided him and got personal in the first instance, then surely he's got a right to rub it in their faces a little bit for being such dicks first time round?
Not that I don't understand how it can be frustrating, but then perhaps if other people hadn't been so forceful in their opinions originally, then maybe Modo wouldn't lay it on so thick now?
Every action equal and opposite blah blah blah
That's not really the point SR, he does it a fair bit. When the game's over most people are miffed at the result, a minority of posters seem more arsed about reminding people how they posted six months ago that things weren't right. Sorry but "I told you so's" are a cunts game, and when he gets stick, it's usually deserved because of the twattish nature of how he posts his opinions in the first place.
We've had it over Carragher for years, he's not good enough, he's a hoof merchant. The guy hits 33 and is clearly in decline and Modo can't wait to tell us how he was right all along.
Perfect example right there.
We've had it over Carragher for years, he's not good enough, he's a hoof merchant. The guy hits 33 and is clearly in decline and Modo can't wait to tell us how he was right all along.
Perfect example right there.
Welcome to the forum Pete.
Tony Barratt writes today that the Liverpool player who has made most tackles this season is Lucas, who hasnt played since November.
By the way Modo isnt alone in the "told you so" camp
Tony Barratt writes today that the Liverpool player who has made most tackles this season is Lucas, who hasnt played since November.
By the way Modo isnt alone in the "told you so" camp
Yeah, but Modo only really took on this guise when people started getting on his back over his opinions on things.
He's been around a long time, from KT days, and it's only really this season where this whole WUM hate thing has manifested itself. Maybe people need to look back and ask themselves about how they reacted to his opinions when they were posted as just opinions - if he's getting all kinds of stick just for having a different opinion to other people.
All you have to do is look at the summer signing thread - he expresses himself reasonably, he's not going overboard, he's not taking the piss - he's raising perfectly valid points that actually turn out to be quite prescient, and he gets abuse for it.
If anything, some of the people that waded in in that thread should come back and apologise
He's been around a long time, from KT days, and it's only really this season where this whole WUM hate thing has manifested itself. Maybe people need to look back and ask themselves about how they reacted to his opinions when they were posted as just opinions - if he's getting all kinds of stick just for having a different opinion to other people.
All you have to do is look at the summer signing thread - he expresses himself reasonably, he's not going overboard, he's not taking the piss - he's raising perfectly valid points that actually turn out to be quite prescient, and he gets abuse for it.
If anything, some of the people that waded in in that thread should come back and apologise
Well yeah, rubbing people's noses in it isn't the way to stimulate coherent and interesting debate, I think he himself has already admitted that and vowed to make amends.
But if he's gonna do that, then there are people that should meet him half way and make amends for taking such a belligerent stance earlier when it was unnecessary.
This whole thing has been escalated unnecessarily. I appreciate people are passionate, and fucked off - and some people express that in different ways, but the Footy forum can be a really unpleasant atmosphere at times lately, nobody really comes here to read arguments - or at least if you're gonna have arguments and slag people off, then at least have the grace to make it fucking funny - that's probably why Brendan was tolerated as much as he was, because half the time when he was being harsh he was being humorous as well.
Lately it's just descended into "fuck off you cunt"
But if he's gonna do that, then there are people that should meet him half way and make amends for taking such a belligerent stance earlier when it was unnecessary.
This whole thing has been escalated unnecessarily. I appreciate people are passionate, and fucked off - and some people express that in different ways, but the Footy forum can be a really unpleasant atmosphere at times lately, nobody really comes here to read arguments - or at least if you're gonna have arguments and slag people off, then at least have the grace to make it fucking funny - that's probably why Brendan was tolerated as much as he was, because half the time when he was being harsh he was being humorous as well.
Lately it's just descended into "fuck off you cunt"
I think you're generalising to suggest everyone does these things, and that's unfair. Did Vlad do it, because he's sure as hell been pissed off by such nonsense. Is everyone going to be tarred by your post-dated accusations? Here and now, it's clear what has to improve, and it's clear who has to improve most of all.
You said yourself he's been around since koptalk days. If posters repeatedly get stick, there's usually a reason. There's alot of old school posters on here who don't get stick, again, with reason.
If you act up over several years and can't hold back from rubbing peoples noses in it time and time again, then people will take you less and less seriously, even when you do post something reasonable.You might argue there's no justification and yeah I'll hold my hands up apologise for acting up after the game, but a few people were asking for it. I'd have rather have laid into the team, but when I'm reading stuff like what Modo couldn't wait to post, or Hmmmmm, well you know, they're gonna get it instead and I'm not going to apologise for taking it out on posters showing a complete lack of regard for what was more important at that moment in time. We'd just got beat and they were more interested in scoring points. And the crux of the issue was that it wasn't surprising at all who it was coming from.
Why do you think Sven (for example) gets stick every time he posts on here? He's built up a reputation through a succession of bitter ramblings over a good few years.
If you act up over several years and can't hold back from rubbing peoples noses in it time and time again, then people will take you less and less seriously, even when you do post something reasonable.You might argue there's no justification and yeah I'll hold my hands up apologise for acting up after the game, but a few people were asking for it. I'd have rather have laid into the team, but when I'm reading stuff like what Modo couldn't wait to post, or Hmmmmm, well you know, they're gonna get it instead and I'm not going to apologise for taking it out on posters showing a complete lack of regard for what was more important at that moment in time. We'd just got beat and they were more interested in scoring points. And the crux of the issue was that it wasn't surprising at all who it was coming from.
Why do you think Sven (for example) gets stick every time he posts on here? He's built up a reputation through a succession of bitter ramblings over a good few years.
You're totally missing my point.
Sven has and always will be a cunt. Likewise Kanwar and all of the other muppets who genuinely are here on a wind up - but Modo is not one of those.
Okay, sure, maybe he's been a bit quick to rub people's noses in it now - but the point I'm trying to make is that there is a cause-and-effect thing going on here where in a parallel universe had people not been so quick to just down his throat and call him a mentalist and make personal attacks on him *just for expressing a different opinion to theirs* - then he probably wouldn't be so keen to shout "Ha fuck you, I was right".
He's already said he can see the error of his ways and has vowed to change. He's said he can see where and what he's done wrong and admitted it was unnecessary.
He's being the bigger man
Sven has and always will be a cunt. Likewise Kanwar and all of the other muppets who genuinely are here on a wind up - but Modo is not one of those.
Okay, sure, maybe he's been a bit quick to rub people's noses in it now - but the point I'm trying to make is that there is a cause-and-effect thing going on here where in a parallel universe had people not been so quick to just down his throat and call him a mentalist and make personal attacks on him *just for expressing a different opinion to theirs* - then he probably wouldn't be so keen to shout "Ha fuck you, I was right".
He's already said he can see the error of his ways and has vowed to change. He's said he can see where and what he's done wrong and admitted it was unnecessary.
He's being the bigger man
I'm in the SR boat ... mokoday was always ok back in the KT days, and I don't remember him difficult at all until this season where his opinions on various subjects were different. It's a forum, differences are good ...
I really can't be arsed getting into this SR, I'm around the forum regularly enough to pick up on the way he acts. If he's said he'll try to improve, then fair enough, the only evidence I can see is that he's repeatedly acting the WUM in threads, not just in this instance. Actions speak louder than words and time will tell. And I take exception to the bollocks about him being the bigger man. I've apologised for upsetting the mods, I'm not going to apologise for retaliating to posters out on an ill-timed wind up.
I don't see any particular apology being levelled towards any posters by the antagonists. He's vowed to change, well done him. What do you want me to do? I'll reply in kind either way.
I don't see any particular apology being levelled towards any posters by the antagonists. He's vowed to change, well done him. What do you want me to do? I'll reply in kind either way.
You do funny better than facetious Macca, you always have
I'm not saying you in particular Mark, but some of the stalwarts of this forum should go and have another read of that summer signings thread and take a long hard look at themselves
Fair enough, it's hard to take some posters seriously though when they have a history. It's a community and people inevitably build up reputations. But yeah, the only other comparison I'd make to agree with your point would be Fox, I've never particularly had any problem with the lad, he's a nice lad who often posts a bit of a daft post, but he means no harm and generally gets kicked from pillar to post on here. But there's an innocence about Fox, Modo is building up a reputation for being more arsed about being proven right than what's just happened on the pitch. And that's why he got the backlash the other day.
Where have I said everyone is guilty of this?
Where have I generalised?
If you read my posts, you'll note I've specifically said some people - and I haven't named names, because that would just be fucking petty, they should know who they are - should take a look at how they've responded to a well established poster's opinion - one that he has every right to express, and one that he expressed in a very moderate and thoughtful way.
What he got in return was a torrent of abuse and people jumping down his throat. It wasn't on.
Now, we all know two wrongs don't make a right, and I'm not going to defend Modo or any of the other folk that have been popping up lately to put the boot in when the results have been shite - but at least he's had the good grace to learn the error of his ways.
I just think that he's not the only one who needs to do that
Where have I generalised?
If you read my posts, you'll note I've specifically said some people - and I haven't named names, because that would just be fucking petty, they should know who they are - should take a look at how they've responded to a well established poster's opinion - one that he has every right to express, and one that he expressed in a very moderate and thoughtful way.
What he got in return was a torrent of abuse and people jumping down his throat. It wasn't on.
Now, we all know two wrongs don't make a right, and I'm not going to defend Modo or any of the other folk that have been popping up lately to put the boot in when the results have been shite - but at least he's had the good grace to learn the error of his ways.
I just think that he's not the only one who needs to do that
One thing I would agree about is that some - by no means all, and not the majority - do seem to love to hate certain alleged wums. Over on TLW, in the members' forum, there's a 12 page thread of people complaining about Brendan, who's not a wum but always gleefully encourages such a perception. So I do agree that some just get into the mood to seek out certain posters and fan the flames just for the sake of it. But that isn't everyone. Some of us simply want to have a friendly, mutually respectful chat, and that's surely how it should be.
Well, let's give him the chance to reverse that trend, because he certainly hasn't got the history or reputation for it in the previous god knows how many years (8, 10?) that we've all been talking bollocks at each other.
He's said he'll make the effort to change, and let's hope that he does.
If he does, I think some people should have the humility and grace to say "Okay, fair enough, you were right and we were wrong. Now stop being such a smug git about it and let's move on"
Link?
I did have a quick look through it and I am not sure I can see a great deal wrong with it really. Did Modo get that much of a kicking on it?
As I said, I only had a quick look through it.
We're on the same page here. I'm just pointing out that it wasn't Modo who originally deviated from the friendly and mutually respectful format. Let's aim to get back to that, cos frankly, people insulting each other without making it original or inventive is *really* fucking dull
Well, take this:
Now that just doesn't apply to many of us who keep being subjected to his nonsense. There's no backstory to most of our complaints. It's just unjustified here and now. That's all. I can see you're trying to make a very admirable call for fairness, but let's not go too far in the perverse direction.
Okay, mate, fair enough.
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