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Match Thread - LFC v Noocastle

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Count - how was his response not one-dimensional though?
Pretty much all posts are one dimensional because they are filled with our opinions and normally the more polarising the subject, the more one dimensional the posts become.

Besides that, i_rushie did say that there was an argument to be made for Kenny to stay because of his status and for him to go because of his recent record. Not completely one dimensional I would have thought.
 
What a sad picture....

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Pretty much all posts are one dimensional because they are filled with our opinions and normally the more polarising the subject, the more one dimensional the posts become.

Besides that, i_rushie did say that there was an argument to be made for Kenny to stay because of his status and for him to go because of his recent record. Not completely one dimensional I would have thought.

He made no reference to how much the 'other side' played had made the site as difficult as 'our side' (be it the Suarez issue, or this one). It just seemed like an attempt to portray one side as the 'guilty party' in all this mess, that has sadly ruined the footy forum for many posters (I'm sure him included).
 
just saw the highlights:

simpsons handball, red card, penalty
2nd goal was offside
reina was stupid and unlucky

could things have been totally different with a bit of luck? or is it just the highlights being generous?

I don't think so. I watched the match on TV and I thought we played pretty well. For once I didn't disagree with Kenny's team selection. Everything seems to have been going against us this season. Martin Atkinson seems to have a grudge against LFC and as soon as I saw he was refereeing I put a tenner on a red card.

That said, I think Kenny should only have been appointed as a temporary manager and I would like to see a change in the Summer - but not Benitez!! I don't know his motives for taking Carroll off 10 minutes from full-time but it seemed to me as if he was trying to punish him by subjecting him to maximum abuse from the thicko Geordie fans. That's appalling man-management.
 
He made no reference to how much the 'other side' played had made the site as difficult as 'our side' (be it the Suarez issue, or this one). It just seemed like an attempt to portray one side as the 'guilty party' in all this mess, that has sadly ruined the footy forum for many posters (I'm sure him included).

I'm not after vindication of my post but I did not feel it was necessary to point out there are offenders in both camps. Everyone would have seen that, but I thought this forum, especially with its seditionist beginnings, would be a little more cautious about a raft of its more established posters ending arguments by referencing Vlad's departure. To be honest, i thought it was out of character with top calibre of his posts over the years. It'll sound trite of me to say, but if his beef was only with these so-called rubbish posters, then as Wizardry points out, it should be water off the duck's back anyway. Perhaps it was too much to bear with there being negligible joy in this season, and the forum even at its best, tends to celebrate negativity?

The proclivity to using the strongest of criticism, often to the point of hyperbole and frequently laced with profanity, has been rampant on this forum, no, Internet, for years. Just to make a point. A lot of it intelligent satire of course, and hugely enjoyable for a lurker like me, but less controlled writers can and will misuse that literary device. It is only to be expected. You and others may say the siege mentality/anger is directed only at the few windup merchants or kneejerkers. But in my opinion, and only in my opinion, its application has been more broadly directed - there's a palpable fear of expressing genuinely held concern/contrarian sentiment for fear of being called out by the more established posters (unless it has already been expressed by those established posters), and it's a shame.
 
I think the point of 'negligible joy,' compounded by the Suarez/Evra issue, has pushed things to the extreme. Many people have left, and many people have come close to leaving. It's been sad.

I agree with your final paragraph's conclusion.
 
I don't think so. I watched the match on TV and I thought we played pretty well. For once I didn't disagree with Kenny's team selection. Everything seems to have been going against us this season. Martin Atkinson seems to have a grudge against LFC and as soon as I saw he was refereeing I put a tenner on a red card.

That said, I think Kenny should only have been appointed as a temporary manager and I would like to see a change in the Summer - but not Benitez!! I don't know his motives for taking Carroll off 10 minutes from full-time but it seemed to me as if he was trying to punish him by subjecting him to maximum abuse from the thicko Geordie fans. That's appalling man-management.

Would you not have given him a permanent contract last summer, Ports? As it happens my initial view was also that Kenny should be appointed temporarily, but it's hard to see how the owners could have justified *not* giving him the permanent job after his first half-season.
 
I'm not after vindication of my post but I did not feel it was necessary to point out there are offenders in both camps. Everyone would have seen that, but I thought this forum, especially with its seditionist beginnings, would be a little more cautious about a raft of its more established posters ending arguments by referencing Vlad's departure. To be honest, i thought it was out of character with top calibre of his posts over the years. It'll sound trite of me to say, but if his beef was only with these so-called rubbish posters, then as Wizardry points out, it should be water off the duck's back anyway. .

I don't think it SHOULD be water off a duck's back. IMHO it's that attitude, well-intended though it is in your own case, that has encouraged so much pointless abuse, wind-ups and mindless rants. We all end up doing little more than showing it's all water off a duck's back. We just sit there letting water run off our backs. That's it. That just gets boring, because none of us joined up to show we've got backs like a duck. There are just days when it occurs to some of us that we've got loads of other, better, things to do, worry about, care about and talk about elsewhere. All Vlad's done is very wisely take a breather rather than let himself snap at the remorseless nonsense. I made that mistake once before and now I do pretty much the same and just log off when it feels like all I'm doing is reading the same silly post over and over and over again. It's the banalisation of stupidity that drives us towards the bad side.
 
I'm not after vindication of my post but I did not feel it was necessary to point out there are offenders in both camps. Everyone would have seen that, but I thought this forum, especially with its seditionist beginnings, would be a little more cautious about a raft of its more established posters ending arguments by referencing Vlad's departure. To be honest, i thought it was out of character with top calibre of his posts over the years. It'll sound trite of me to say, but if his beef was only with these so-called rubbish posters, then as Wizardry points out, it should be water off the duck's back anyway. Perhaps it was too much to bear with there being negligible joy in this season, and the forum even at its best, tends to celebrate negativity?

The proclivity to using the strongest of criticism, often to the point of hyperbole and frequently laced with profanity, has been rampant on this forum, no, Internet, for years. Just to make a point. A lot of it intelligent satire of course, and hugely enjoyable for a lurker like me, but less controlled writers can and will misuse that literary device. It is only to be expected. You and others may say the siege mentality/anger is directed only at the few windup merchants or kneejerkers. But in my opinion, and only in my opinion, its application has been more broadly directed - there's a palpable fear of expressing genuinely held concern/contrarian sentiment for fear of being called out by the more established posters (unless it has already been expressed by those established posters), and it's a shame.

Well put as that post certainly is, I still don't share the opinion you express at the end of it. I can't think of any issue on which the more established posters have been sufficiently of one mind to create the kind of juggernaut of received wisdom which you describe. Quite the contrary in fact - debates on here have been sharper than ever lately, and established posters have been on either side of them.
 
Fair enough, I don't post enough to understand what it must have felt like for him, or you. My own impression, until recently, was that the aggression in the forum is all very stylized, much like in my profession.
 
Fair enough, I don't post enough to understand what it must have felt like for him, or you. My own impression, until recently, was that the aggression in the forum is all very stylized, much like in my profession.

Oh I'm sure much of it is. It just gets boring after a while.
 
At this point there is justification to fire Kenny. The results are totally unacceptable and he has to carry the can. He selects the teams that can't seem to find the net. He is out of his dept and tactically inept.

The argument to keep Kenny on is purely emotional and he has earned it. I'm not in favour of giving him the boot with the season almost at its end but something has to give. The Carling and even FA Cups sadly won't be enough.
 
At this point there is justification to fire Kenny. The results are totally unacceptable and he has to carry the can. He selects the teams that can't seem to find the net. He is out of his dept and tactically inept.

The argument to keep Kenny on is purely emotional and he has earned it. I'm not in favour of giving him the boot with the season almost at its end but something has to give. The Carling and even FA Cups sadly won't be enough.

Right, so say we give Kenny the boot, get in a manager who has done well in, say, Germany, Italy or Spain and they win 2 cups next season but are nowhere in the league. What then? Get rid?
 
Like Portly I thought the decision to hook Carroll was bad. It was humiliating for the player and totally unneccessary. For me it summed up Kenny's recent treatment of Andy.
 
Well put as that post certainly is, I still don't share the opinion you express at the end of it. I can't think of any issue on which the more established posters have been sufficiently of one mind to create the kind of juggernaut of received wisdom which you describe. Quite the contrary in fact - debates on here have been sharper than ever lately, and established posters have been on either side of them.

I don't think that's entirely true JJ. There's been less substantive debate, and more oneupmanship and condescension on this forum than to my liking for a fair while now (and it appears that that sentiment is shared by others too). And the WUMs/kneejerkers aren’t the only ones to blame. Equally responsible are those who are trigger-happy in expressing their condemnation of supposed wind-ups or, at times, mere contrarian/controversial views.

What has always made this site special is the absolutely top class quality of banter. That’s a function of many things – the almost complete lack of censorship, the fact that it comprises of a relatively smaller group of posters (as compared to other sites like RAWK etc) who’ve known each other through the internet for many years, the absolutely diversity and breadth of opinions, and most importantly, the fact that almost every poster brings a different personality to this site.

I think it’s that combination of factors that makes the site self-moderating. So while it’s fair to lay the boot into the occasional idiot who’s clearly on a wind-up, I’m not sure it’s justified in laying the boot into someone, like say Modo, in every second thread, who though often brusque in his manner, is someone who’s been on the site for years, and has surely been accepted for what he/his style of posting is? To my mind, he’s as much a part of SCM, for the better or the worse, as say, someone like Vlad, and it’s that diversity is what makes the forum special.

If it’s a question of keeping a repeatedly offensive or disrespectful poster in check, then historically, the site has been almost unanimous in such poster’s condemnation, and that’s really the only kind of moderation necessary. Any condemnation of opinion, however, even if controversial/illogical, is something that in my opinion is dangerous for the forum, and it’s something that I think has increased in the past few months. This obviously is also a function of many things, not in the least the fact that everyone’s been super frustrated with the way things have gone this season. I hope for the sake of the forum that this changes. But that’ll not only require people to refrain from being disrespectful to someone like Kenny, but also require other people to refrain from making arguments like ‘we need Brendan back to weed out some of these cunts’.
 
Right, so say we give Kenny the boot, get in a manager who has done well in, say, Germany, Italy or Spain and they win 2 cups next season but are nowhere in the league. What then? Get rid?
In my estimation the league is our top priority and always should be where we are judged. The Cups are silverware and give us a nice lift but they are secondary.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but the Kenny feel good factor is long gone. He can't even motivate the lads to win at home. There's something wrong with that picture. Can you honestly say that we are progressing under Kenny?

The King returns to reclaim his throne. Romantic notion that I wanted. I was an advocate of Kenny's appointment and desperately wanted it to work out but there's no time for sentimentality. We're in football to win and of late that hasn't been happening. 22 years without a league trophy is a long time to spend dreaming. We have accepted mediocrity for too long. Average players, average squad and average results. The truth hurts!
 
Here's me saying the we had poor transfer window, relplies: "Fuck you, you're a cunt".

http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/summer-transfer-window-massive-improvement.14651/

Here's me saying Carra is past it, replies: "Fuck you, you're a cunt"

http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/raaaaaatings.14581/

Here's me saying Enrique is a poor crosser, replies: "Fuck you, you're a cunt"

http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/enrique-is-missing-something.16206/#post-670868

There's probably more examples. Im not saying that I'm right every time, I'm just saying look at the responses I get. Don't forget English isn't my first language, I'm not really that good at expressing myself or getting my point across as well as I would in Swedish.

I'm used to the flack I get. It's OK to call me a WUM.

If I predict that we're gonna lose, someone like red zep will pop in and say that I'm hoping we'll lose.
If I say that I predicted that a certain player would be poor, someone like Spionwhore would tell me that he's ignoring me and that he want's me to come to England and fight him.

So, maybe I do have a WUM-ish way of expressing myself lately but since everything I say is rubbish and can't possibly be true why care about my WUM-ing?
 
Its clearly not okay Modo, since you are clearly desperate to prove time and time again about how you were right about this, how you predicted that, how everyone should have listened to you etc etc.

I think that is what annoys people a little bit to be honest
 
In my estimation the league is our top priority and always should be where we are judged. The Cups are silverware and give us a nice lift but they are secondary.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but the Kenny feel good factor is long gone. He can't even motivate the lads to win at home. There's something wrong with that picture. Can you honestly say that we are progressing under Kenny?

The King returns to reclaim his throne. Romantic notion that I wanted. I was an advocate of Kenny's appointment and desperately wanted it to work out but there's no time for sentimentality. We're in football to win and of late that hasn't been happening. 22 years without a league trophy is a long time to spend dreaming. We have accepted mediocrity for too long. Average players, average squad and average results. The truth hurts!

All very nice, but it didn't really answer my question did it?
 
I don't think that's entirely true JJ. There's been less substantive debate, and more oneupmanship and condescension on this forum than to my liking for a fair while now (and it appears that that sentiment is shared by others too). And the WUMs/kneejerkers aren’t the only ones to blame. Equally responsible are those who are trigger-happy in expressing their condemnation of supposed wind-ups or, at times, mere contrarian/controversial views.

What has always made this site special is the absolutely top class quality of banter. That’s a function of many things – the almost complete lack of censorship, the fact that it comprises of a relatively smaller group of posters (as compared to other sites like RAWK etc) who’ve known each other through the internet for many years, the absolutely diversity and breadth of opinions, and most importantly, the fact that almost every poster brings a different personality to this site.

I think it’s that combination of factors that makes the site self-moderating. So while it’s fair to lay the boot into the occasional idiot who’s clearly on a wind-up, I’m not sure it’s justified in laying the boot into someone, like say Modo, in every second thread, who though often brusque in his manner, is someone who’s been on the site for years, and has surely been accepted for what he/his style of posting is? To my mind, he’s as much a part of SCM, for the better or the worse, as say, someone like Vlad, and it’s that diversity is what makes the forum special.

If it’s a question of keeping a repeatedly offensive or disrespectful poster in check, then historically, the site has been almost unanimous in such poster’s condemnation, and that’s really the only kind of moderation necessary. Any condemnation of opinion, however, even if controversial/illogical, is something that in my opinion is dangerous for the forum, and it’s something that I think has increased in the past few months. This obviously is also a function of many things, not in the least the fact that everyone’s been super frustrated with the way things have gone this season. I hope for the sake of the forum that this changes. But that’ll not only require people to refrain from being disrespectful to someone like Kenny, but also require other people to refrain from making arguments like ‘we need Brendan back to weed out some of these cunts’.
A good post mate and another fine contribution adding to those of JJ. Gkmacca, i_rushie and LTW to the naval gazing that we seemed to have somewhat embarked upon (no bad thing in my view)
There is a huge diversity of opinion on the site (a good thing I believe), and there are many posters who I greatly respect that hold contrary views to my own, currently on Kenny, and on many other things past and present.
I tend to believe though, that it is not the opinion, or the poster that gives it, that generates the levels of derision you mention but the style and manner the opinion is posted.

It is understandable that posters will be more irked by a poorly expressed contrary opinion than one they agree with, and respond accordingly, and so the site becomes more polarised.

The fact that there are posters winding each other up on both sides of the divide doesn't give credence to either argument, but just hastens a thread into ridicule and farce.
And until poster accept that it is not always what they say but how they say it that upsets other posters I don't see this changing any time soon.
 
'meh' I don't blame modo for getting his kicks where he can it's not like there is fun to be had actually watching us play
 
3 of our 26 crosses hit one of our players. Newcastle had 3 shots on goal and score 2...
 
Its clearly not okay Modo, since you are clearly desperate to prove time and time again about how you were right about this, how you predicted that, how everyone should have listened to you etc etc.

I think that is what annoys people a little bit to be honest

This is exactly the point.
 
Right, so say we give Kenny the boot, get in a manager who has done well in, say, Germany, Italy or Spain and they win 2 cups next season but are nowhere in the league. What then? Get rid?
In my estimation the league is our top priority and always should be where we are judged. The Cups are silverware and give us a nice lift but they are secondary.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but the Kenny feel good factor is long gone. He can't even motivate the lads to win at home. There's something wrong with that picture. Can you honestly say that we are progressing under Kenny?

The King returns to reclaim his throne. Romantic notion that I wanted. I was an advocate of Kenny's appointment and desperately wanted it to work out but there's no time for sentimentality. We're in football to win and of late that hasn't been happening. 22 years without a league trophy is a long time to spend dreaming. We have accepted mediocrity for too long. Average players, average squad and average results. The truth hurts!

To answer your question, no we shouldn't be looking for a manager to win us Cups. Cups should be used as a launch pad to put in a sustained assault on the league. We should get in a proven winner with the right credentials.
 
To answer your question, no we shouldn't be looking for a manager to win us Cups. Cups should be used as a launch pad to put in a sustained assault on the league. We should get in a proven winner with the right credentials.

Okay, great. So say we get in a manager with a track record of success in another league, he comes here, wins some cups but doesn't do at all well in the league in his first season, we get rid of him yeah?
 
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