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Mascherano didn't, and doesn't, want to play for us.

He hid behind a piss weak excuse to engineer a move.

Blame Hodgson if you it makes you feel better but he would have done the same had Dalglish been here from the start of the season. Didn't exactly swing it for Torres, did it?

He's not really that good.

Grade A cunt.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=44398.msg1293802#msg1293802 date=1299103028]
Masher hasnt failed in La Liga. He's played well enough. He just moved to a team that simply signed him for no other reason than they could... much like Michael Owen before him.
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Are you serious Keni? Wow

I'm not sure how going from a starting XI player at Liverpool to a perpetual bench player at Barca can be seemed a success? I suppose some people simply have lower standards.
 
It's not about standards at all, Rolaand.

I was wondering why you thought Momo would be a success when he's been hit-or-miss for a while already in Serie A, but it probably would be ironic if he were successful since Mascher hasnt been a success so far.

But Mascherano's 'failure' is nothing of the sort, and he remains a FAR superior player to Momo. Momo at his best pre Edgar David glasses was still a poorer player than Mascherano.

Mascherano's failure was going to a team that didnt play to this strengths and basically didnt need him.

We have Gulacsi and a whole bunch of goalies we keep buying, all of whom are going to fail as long as Reina's here. BUt that doesnt make them failures, if anyone it's Liverpool who've failed to buy the players we do need as opposed to more players we don't.
 
[quote author=Avvy link=topic=44398.msg1293868#msg1293868 date=1299137627]
It's not about standards at all, Rolaand.

I was wondering why you thought Momo would be a success when he's been hit-or-miss for a while already in Serie A, but it probably would be ironic if he were successful since Mascher hasnt been a success so far.

But Mascherano's 'failure' is nothing of the sort, and he remains a FAR superior player to Momo. Momo at his best pre Edgar David glasses was still a poorer player than Mascherano.

Mascherano's failure was going to a team that didnt play to this strengths and basically didnt need him.

We have Gulacsi and a whole bunch of goalies we keep buying, all of whom are going to fail as long as Reina's here. BUt that doesnt make them failures, if anyone it's Liverpool who've failed to buy the players we do need as opposed to more players we don't.
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I do agree that Mascherano is a better player than Momo. However, he is the epitome of the anti-Barca player. He forced our hand and made a choice to go to Barca with the intention of playing first team football (an assumption) because in his own mind probably thought he'll get in ahead of Biscuits. That hasn't happened at all and he has been largely anonymous. His cameo appearances have done him no good because he looks out of his depth for the most part. We can agree to disagree but Mascherano has failed at Barca. Is there any other reason that he may consider joining Utd. or Juve other than to play first team football besides the money?

With regards to the latter part of your post I do agree because Liverpool have by and large failed to replace the likes of Alonso and Mascherano. However, Gulasci and the plethora of goalkeepers that we have on our books haven't failed simply because they are coming through the youth ranks and I doubt that any of them are of the required quality just yet to displace Pepe. Any other keeper would be a step down as Reina is world class and has very few peers.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=44398.msg1293746#msg1293746 date=1299098459]
Themn: while you may be shit and gay, you hardly very clever too.

My initial comments about the irony of Sisoko being successful where Mascherano failed pertained to La Liga. At no point did I mention anything about Momo replacing Javier at Barca when he is rumoured to be going to Real.

Now Dancing Brave mentions a different scenario but it is really a moot point.

So in parting I say, "Goodnight dear Sir!"

Regards
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Now eh!
Cut it out , I thought that was from me for a while

regards ©
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=44398.msg1293859#msg1293859 date=1299129280]
Are you serious Keni? Wow

I'm not sure how going from a starting XI player at Liverpool to a perpetual bench player at Barca can be seemed a success? I suppose some people simply have lower standards.
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Barca bought him because Toure had left, he was very good value for money and he'd add some depth to the squad.

The fact that he's not gotten many games is not down to him being an "anti-Barca" player or "out of his depth", it's simply down to circumstances. He's generally played well enough when called upon - he did last night against Valencia until Guardiola decided to go more attacking and bring Pedro on.

Also, I have to say I find the comments about his footballing ability (or lack thereof) absolutely laughable given some of the passing we've seen on display from Liverpool over the last couple seasons... particularly when I see him picking out passes with ease in a Barca shirt. He played a glorious 40 yard cross field ball yesterday out wide to Alves. Shit is Masher, isn't he?

You talk about failing in a league?

Poulsen is a prime example of that - woefully out of his depth and patently unsuited to the Premier League. Maschareno has no problems with La Liga at all and has all the quality to succeed. It's just that he moved to a very settled side with top top players who have a particular footballing philosophy that Busquets is more in tune with.
 
you can't call mascher a flop, but you can call him thick and a benchwarmer.
 
Exactly.
He didn't know when he had it made.
His style was made for the Prem, and he was made for us, he was just to thick to realise it.

regards
 
Watching Scott Parker destroy our 3 man midfield almost single handedly, made me miss Masher even more. I would forgive and forget in an instant given half the chance.
 
He was told he would be a back-up player and he was *asked* to lower his wage demand.

*shrug*
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44398.msg1293996#msg1293996 date=1299151168]
Fuck him.

I don't want any ex player back.
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Take a bow!

(I'd make an exception for Xabi Alonso)
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44398.msg1293996#msg1293996 date=1299151168]
Fuck him.

I don't want any ex player back.
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Well it won't happen anyway

regards
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=44398.msg1293996#msg1293996 date=1299151168]
Fuck him.

I don't want any ex player back.
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I'd well have God back if he wasn't a fat shirmp eating neng snorting broken nosed jebend.

Mongerano can rot. Fuck him then and fuck him now. The daft tithead. Listening to his what his fucking wife wants the shit house, if my bird had said, "Eyar massive cock. I want you to work in a spanish office cos i'm sad." she'd get a few slaps. Altho he would of sorted Parker out with a nice dose of twat at the weekend like.
 
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[quote author=RolandG link=topic=44398.msg1293859#msg1293859 date=1299129280]
Are you serious Keni? Wow

I'm not sure how going from a starting XI player at Liverpool to a perpetual bench player at Barca can be seemed a success? I suppose some people simply have lower standards.
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Barca bought him because Toure had left, he was very good value for money and he'd add some depth to the squad.

The fact that he's not gotten many games is not down to him being an "anti-Barca" player or "out of his depth", it's simply down to circumstances. He's generally played well enough when called upon - he did last night against Valencia until Guardiola decided to go more attacking and bring Pedro on.

Also, I have to say I find the comments about his footballing ability (or lack thereof) absolutely laughable given some of the passing we've seen on display from Liverpool over the last couple seasons... particularly when I see him picking out passes with ease in a Barca shirt. He played a glorious 40 yard cross field ball yesterday out wide to Alves. Shit is Masher, isn't he?

You talk about failing in a league?

Poulsen is a prime example of that - woefully out of his depth and patently unsuited to the Premier League. Maschareno has no problems with La Liga at all and has all the quality to succeed. It's just that he moved to a very settled side with top top players who have a particular footballing philosophy that Busquets is more in tune with.
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Spot on Keni. Its laughable how people are claiming he flopped at Barca. He isn't needed there, his ability isn't the problem.

I do think it was a mistake by him going there and he will be in Italy next year. Just hope we can get back into the CL and make the cunt regret his decision to ever leave.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=44398.msg1293984#msg1293984 date=1299150497]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=44398.msg1293859#msg1293859 date=1299129280]
Are you serious Keni? Wow

I'm not sure how going from a starting XI player at Liverpool to a perpetual bench player at Barca can be seemed a success? I suppose some people simply have lower standards.
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Barca bought him because Toure had left, he was very good value for money and he'd add some depth to the squad.

The fact that he's not gotten many games is not down to him being an "anti-Barca" player or "out of his depth", it's simply down to circumstances. He's generally played well enough when called upon - he did last night against Valencia until Guardiola decided to go more attacking and bring Pedro on.

Also, I have to say I find the comments about his footballing ability (or lack thereof) absolutely laughable given some of the passing we've seen on display from Liverpool over the last couple seasons... particularly when I see him picking out passes with ease in a Barca shirt. He played a glorious 40 yard cross field ball yesterday out wide to Alves. Shit is Masher, isn't he?

You talk about failing in a league?

Poulsen is a prime example of that - woefully out of his depth and patently unsuited to the Premier League. Maschareno has no problems with La Liga at all and has all the quality to succeed. It's just that he moved to a very settled side with top top players who have a particular footballing philosophy that Busquets is more in tune with.
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Spot on Keni. Its laughable how people are claiming he flopped at Barca. He isn't needed there, his ability isn't the problem.

I do think it was a mistake by him going there and he will be in Italy next year. Just hope we can get back into the CL and make the cunt regret his decision to ever leave.
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Nah, Masch clearly fucked their game up. He was dragged off at half time when they got beat by Hercules and when they were getting beat by some shitty Eastern European cack at the start of the season as he just can't pass. He's failed there on ability, and lots of people called it before he got there.
 
If Mascherano was bought as a direct replacement for Yaya Toure who was a first team player by all acount, how can anyone say that he hasn't flopped at Barca. So why isn't he playing in the starting XI? Biscuits fits the team style of play and offers something better. Mascherano is a luxury player at Barca, whether he is there or not makes no difference to the team.

Make no mistake, he is a talented player but he just ain't cutting it there because he is not good enough for them. He made a name for himself at Liverpool because Rafa knew how to use him and get the best out of him. His decision to force a move has bitten him in the ass. Karma is a b1tch!
 
He has done alright it some of the games i've seen him play. He was withdrawn against Hercules as he was last night as Barca needed to bring on another attacking player to chase the game etc.

It was a stupid move by him to go there as he will be rotated but he has a good chance of picking up a few medals, that probably keeps the prick happy and justifies him spending time on the bench for now.

He is too good to be a squad player and would be a starter for nearly any other team. He wasn't the best 'fit' for Barca but they needed to replace Toure and we're happy to take Masher. I think his passing in his final season for us was fine. Didn't he have high pass completion rates in his final season? Granted so did Lucas and Barry Fucking Ferguson but it does show Masher is quite capable of moving the ball.

His transfer was a mistake but it's not down to his talent. Barca wanted him more than they actually needed the fucker.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=44398.msg1294071#msg1294071 date=1299157515]
If Mascherano was bought as a direct replacement for Yaya Toure who was a first team player by all acount, how can anyone say that he hasn't flopped at Barca. So why isn't he playing in the starting XI? Biscuits fits the team style of play and offers something better. Mascherano is a luxury player at Barca, whether he is there or not makes no difference to the team.

Make no mistake, he is a talented player but he just ain't cutting it there because he is not good enough for them. He made a name for himself at Liverpool because Rafa knew how to use him and get the best out of him. His decision to force a move has bitten him in the ass. Karma is a b1tch!
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Busquets came on leaps and bounds over the past year and Barca have a knack of somehow not needing a DM. Their whole team has a philosophy of winning the ball back. I've noticed how opposition teams clear their lines against them which only gives Barca back the ball and allows the next wave of attack.

His transfer will probably be deemed a flop when he does move on, but he will leave with a league medal and there shouldn't be questioned over his ability. I would have loved him here but he burned his bridges and acted the cunt so fuck him.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=44398.msg1293994#msg1293994 date=1299151114]
He was told he would be a back-up player and he was *asked* to lower his wage demand.

*shrug*
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He was told that here? Sez who?
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=44398.msg1294077#msg1294077 date=1299157861]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=44398.msg1294071#msg1294071 date=1299157515]
If Mascherano was bought as a direct replacement for Yaya Toure who was a first team player by all acount, how can anyone say that he hasn't flopped at Barca. So why isn't he playing in the starting XI? Biscuits fits the team style of play and offers something better. Mascherano is a luxury player at Barca, whether he is there or not makes no difference to the team.

Make no mistake, he is a talented player but he just ain't cutting it there because he is not good enough for them. He made a name for himself at Liverpool because Rafa knew how to use him and get the best out of him. His decision to force a move has bitten him in the ass. Karma is a b1tch!
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Busquets came on leaps and bounds over the past year and Barca have a knack of somehow not needing a DM. Their whole team has a philosophy of winning the ball back. I've noticed how opposition teams clear their lines against them which only gives Barca back the ball and allows the next wave of attack.

His transfer will probably be deemed a flop when he does move on, but he will leave with a league medal and there shouldn't be questioned over his ability. I would have loved him here but he burned his bridges and acted the cunt so fuck him.
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Roland is telling us to "make no mistake" on the basis of facts he's picked up "by all accounts".

Yaya Toure was not a first choice player at Barcelona. That's why he left Roland.

Now if your argument is based solely on "he left and I hate him1!!!!", that's cool. Everyone can relate to that. Just don't try and make it any more than that because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
 
I hope that Utd don't get that little fucker from Barca! He'd improve them no end.

There is one Barca player I would break the bank for and its Iniesta. He is a supreme football brain!
 
Keni don't be confused. Me liking or disliking Mascherano has no bearing on his ability as a player.
His ability was never questioned, that he is not good enough for Barca is an entirely different argument and his lack of first team football confirms that.

As for picking up facts along the way, that's laughable!
 
He was good enough for Barca at the time he was there. Certainly better than Busquets.

Busquets has certainly upped his game a level or two since then and it now the better player.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=44398.msg1294223#msg1294223 date=1299171924]
Don't dodge the question. Answer.
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Waiting with baited breathe for your answer! ;D
 
What answer do you want, Roland?

He's made his point very clearly; the fact that he's 'failed' has nothing to do with his abilities as a player.

If you buy a top player and dont use him there's very little he can do about it.

Barca were never suited for him since Busquets fit them much better; and there were lots of people on here saying exactly that. They wanted backup at a cheap price and they got it. I doubt they even care if he plays.
 
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