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Make or break season for Nunez?

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I think it's clear at this point that not only do we not know our best midfield 3 after the summer rebuild, but we are yet to figure out which combination of forwards is best suited to getting the most out of that midfield. So far Diaz has looked our best attacker to me in the time he's been on the pitch while Mo is clearly ahead in terms of goals/assists numbers. Until we figure out the best system and the players that fit into it we are going to see days like today where it looks turgid for long stretches and then completely changes when we alter the system/personnel.

Finally someone who sees it as as I see it - I have no clue after these games how good this team is, everyone was raving about Dom - but I noticed in that Wolves game, that he was the focal midfielder driving the attack, but noticed time go by as he decided who to pass to next. Luckily Diaz came on and everything started moving quicker. I have a horrible feeling that this is going to be a regular pattern in all our games, I am having trouble coming to terms with the way Mac is being used in our team, there was more control once Curtis was playing the 6 role in the 2nd half, if that was what he was playing. It's all a bit weird, but at least we are winning and happy.
 
I haven't found Diaz to be our best attacker. He takes too many touches.

Nunez is refreshingly direct. I loved when he muscled one of the wolves defenders at the half way line, with his back to goal, pivoted and ran.

Having watched all the highlights we actually had so many promising positions that game, even when we played like shit in terms of possession.

Diaz had a couple well worked chances where he failed to get it on target, and gakpo likewise.
 
Klopp had a very settled and reliable attacking unit over the last few years with Mane and Salah. It'll be interesting to see what he can do with the current lot because right now he doesn't really have a set of go to guys up front really - he is having to chop and change.

Diaz, to borrow a comparison someone else made with Salah, is more of a Cuadrado than a Salah / Mane.

Nunez is erratic.

Gakpo doesn't seem to know what he's meant to be doing half the time.

Jota is a good team player but if when the goals run a little dry, he can go through games without offering much attacking threat.
 
I’m disappointed in Jota these days - just expected more. Early days I guess

He’s a bit of a streaky player that seems to need a few games to warm up… then boom, he’ll score 10 in 6 games.
 
He’s a bit of a streaky player that seems to need a few games to warm up… then boom, he’ll score 10 in 6 games.
Yes, and he's scored some important goals too. He's an incredibly good one to have in the squad. Starting every game? Not sure.
 
They look a good 5 on paper but, apart from Salah, whose form is demanding a 1st team place at the moment? They're all mostly up and down.

Don't get me wrong, great start to the season. But maybe Keni's point is dead right. The days of a settled front 3 are gone, it's Salah + the others depending on the match or the circumstance.

That might not be a bad thing, who knows?
 
Salah has hit shit moments with the rest of the team too.....went into hiding 2nd half against Chelsea before throwing a strop, touched the ball about 2 times first half against Newcastle, invisible 1st half against Wolves.

He needs the team to kick into gear to be able to fully function & then yes of course he becomes our most prominent goal threat.
 
Salah might have got into the second half against Chelsea if we'd have got into their half. You can't blame him for that performance.
 
Nunez is looking like he is applying things that he's been taught into his play. There is a still a great deal of work to be done. If he doesn't see a pass on, more than likely he'll lash a shot that has about a 3% chance of going in. He still has a somewhat errant touch.

That said, there was no version of Nunez last year that did anything, at all, with their back to goal. He's doing that now, which means he can stay while someone else goes, as well as being a threat behind. That keeps the opposition guessing, but it also gives an outball when we are under the kosh.

He also is pressing, not just with more energy, but in a way that seems informed by the context of what is going on. He's more part of a team press, and he is fixing dangerous situations, not just reacting by running when he loses the ball, but when the team needs it in general.

It is still up in the air as to whether he can be a force for us like we'd hope. Right now though, his job is to find a regular place on the teamsheet. He's putting some arguments together, and some of them are new.

This above all is what is encouraging. When you buy a player who you think has a high ceiling but is raw and a little wild, you need to be able to mould them. Just because you can, doesn't mean you'll get what you want, but if you can't, you're fucked entirely. I think it's clear he CAN be moulded.
 
I agree. But he still passes when a predatory striker would shoot. He still has a first touch at times like Peter Sutcliffe. His work-rate is fine. But he's a £60/80M striker dependent on who you read. I hope to God this Klopp lesson bears quick dividend. If we had a cup final next weekend, he wouldn't be in my side and that's quite damning.
 
I agree. But he still passes when a predatory striker would shoot. He still has a first touch at times like Peter Sutcliffe. His work-rate is fine. But he's a £60/80M striker dependent on who you read. I hope to God this Klopp lesson bears quick dividend. If we had a cup final next weekend, he wouldn't be in my side and that's quite damning.

I think he's more than likely be in mine, but we don't have any clear winners when it comes to what our attack looks like. There aren't any dominant line ups that have clicked to the extent that you think we've got something. Instead we have a bit of a swiss army knife while we are figuring it out. Nunez isnt a world beater at doing what he does, but he does things the others can't.

Even so, if he isn't in yours, what is so damning about that. He's kept out of the side by a bunch of very good players in that case. That's the problem we want to have.
 
Nunez scored a pen that was never a pen in a million years. I'm not dead set against him but that's not a worthy argument.
 
Nunez scored a pen that was never a pen in a million years. I'm not dead set against him but that's not a worthy argument.
Doesn’t matter if you think it was never a pen, still tucked it away in superb fashion. Salah has had lesser pens go for him and there’s about hundreds of others every season across Europe where you’ll have people saying the same thing. Also assisted Salah.

3 goals 4 assists in 6 for Mo
3 goals 3 assists in 6 for Darwin
3 goals 1 assist in 6 for Lucho
 
Doesn’t matter if you think it was never a pen, still tucked it away in superb fashion. Salah has had lesser pens go for him and there’s about hundreds of others every season across Europe where you’ll have people saying the same thing. Also assisted Salah.

And the hold up play for Diaz.
 
If you wanna know who should be starting in our front 3, look at the names on the score sheet today and mysteriously you’ll have your answer.

I could almost guarantee that Gakpo and/or Jota will start against West Ham.

Feels like Klopp isn’t quite ready to trust Darwin as his central striker in all games - and to be fair, he often plays better coming on later in the games than starting

I agree with Farkie that Darwin’s definitely showing improvement in all areas of his game.

I was surprised Gakpo didn’t come n for Nunez last night - he tends to play better after he’s had the confidence of scoring and he needs sone time as the central striker as well, because he’s been one shunted between midfield and forward line the most.

Tough call on wether Diaz or Jota starts - Diaz has had the most time on the pitch from the forwards over the last 2 games - so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him not start against West Ham.
 
Nunez is looking like he is applying things that he's been taught into his play. There is a still a great deal of work to be done. If he doesn't see a pass on, more than likely he'll lash a shot that has about a 3% chance of going in. He still has a somewhat errant touch.

That said, there was no version of Nunez last year that did anything, at all, with their back to goal. He's doing that now, which means he can stay while someone else goes, as well as being a threat behind. That keeps the opposition guessing, but it also gives an outball when we are under the kosh.

He also is pressing, not just with more energy, but in a way that seems informed by the context of what is going on. He's more part of a team press, and he is fixing dangerous situations, not just reacting by running when he loses the ball, but when the team needs it in general.

It is still up in the air as to whether he can be a force for us like we'd hope. Right now though, his job is to find a regular place on the teamsheet. He's putting some arguments together, and some of them are new.

This above all is what is encouraging. When you buy a player who you think has a high ceiling but is raw and a little wild, you need to be able to mould them. Just because you can, doesn't mean you'll get what you want, but if you can't, you're fucked entirely. I think it's clear he CAN be moulded.
Just wanted to mention his defensive run yesterday (and this seems an apt place to put it) when he ran at 100 mph to catch and (foul according to the ref. unlucky) their winger, so helping out our right side which was a bit short at that moment.
 
Doesn’t matter if you think it was never a pen, still tucked it away in superb fashion. Salah has had lesser pens go for him and there’s about hundreds of others every season across Europe where you’ll have people saying the same thing. Also assisted Salah.

3 goals 4 assists in 6 for Mo
3 goals 3 assists in 6 for Darwin
3 goals 1 assist in 6 for Lucho
Those are impressive stats for all three - especially when you consider that Nunez and Diaz have far less minutes.
 
Those are impressive stats for all three - especially when you consider that Nunez and Diaz have far less minutes.

As of last night, Diaz has only played about 50 minutes less than Mo and Nunez has only played about 25 & 38 minutes less than Jota & Gakpo respectively.

So it looks like we’re spreading the load across the forwards, with Salah being the most important.

Salah’s had about twice the amount of playing time Nunez has had.
 
I love the fact that Klopp played Nunez 90 minutes against LASK. It was a perfect game where he could do more adventurous stuff, improve his pressing game and had an opportunity to be the main man in Salah's absence.
These small things go a long way and Klopp has been handling Nunez perfectly ! Well so far at least...I think he will.be a combination of Lewa and Auguero
 
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