Will he used this same methodology with Suarez so he must then rate Lucas. Mustn't he?
Lucas - Silly fouls thread
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You'd think he would. Hmmm interesting. Maybe his head will explode?
Is it so much to do with Lucas' world class footballing abilities, or more the fact that when we play with him in the team, we have a dedicated DM and so can play a different game. I'm sure the stats would be the same or more convincing still if Mash were playing in his role, or Didi at his best.
Stick Lucas in front of the back four, and Stevie can do his stuff, rather than having to have him sit back etc etc etc.
Lucas is ok. And can have a good game from time to time, but if we have aspirations of finishing top four regularly or even winning the league, we need a little better than Lucas.
Ahhh.... but that's where you're wrong, the Goatee one tried to buy him again. Or was he just linked with Benitez because he bought him originally? And if that's the case, why didn't Benitez go in for him again? Oh.
What do we know though, we don't understand football, only the David Bentley loving oracle does.
Tbf Rafa, Hodgson, Dalglish and Rodgers all rated/rate him.
The spotlight doesn't shine on him as much as the other players on the team, but he does his job. Quite efficiently, I might add.
We haven't conceded any goals this season with him in the team so I don't really see what the issue is?
There isn't really, I'm just taking the piss, but he's not World Class or brilliant, he's a steady water carrier who does a decent job and that's about it.
He certainly doesn't warrant any sort of gloating and self championing, he's been mediocre more than he's been good while he's been here.
He certainly doesn't warrant any sort of gloating and self championing, he's been mediocre more than he's been good while he's been here.
Spot on. He does a job but he's no world beater. If we put him up for sale the maximum we would get offered would be £10m if we're lucky IMO. But he's efficient enough next to gerrard but those stupid fouls are bloody annoying.
It depends.
If you need a talentless midfielder to cover for your totally ineffective attacking right back, he's a a very good option. Really good.
If you want a centre mid to so something positive with the ball on a few occasions in every 50 times he touches the ball, he's not not the guy for you.
I prefer having solid right backs and good midfielders to having hopeless right backs and midfielders spending all their time covering for them. Bit people seem to like that nonsense, it gets us to midtable every year and keeps them happy.
I think it's a mugs game
To be honest, I don't think he's great. I think he's average. He's decent at what he does. No more, no less. I'd have 3 or 4 players ahead of him in the Prem in his position.
like who?
Well there aren't many decent out and out DM's about but the notion is we could have a more rounded midfielder/different style player there instead. I'm sure you can think of a few. Off the top of my head, Newcastle, Everton, Chelsea and Fulham all have players we could have feasibly gone for to play a deep role. I'm sure there's plenty of players beyond that too, here and abroad. It's not even about a lack goals or attacking involvement, it goes with the territory with DM's, it's the fact he doesn't really excel at anything, not when you consider the downside to his defensive game is giving away needless freekicks in dangerous territory.
What Mark said. You'll probably get bogged down in saying "He's not a proper DM", but I could name some who play in a similar position, or could do, who I would prefer in his place...
Carrick
Sandro
Capoue
Paulinho
Fellaini
Yaya
Ramires
That's off the top of my head. And you'll notice that they're all players who also contribute much more to their team in other aspects than what Lucas does. As well as being all round better footballers.
As I said earlier, Lucas is okay, and he's improved shit loads since his disastrous early form for Liverpool. However, the fact is he's non-existent in the opposition half and can be a liability in our half. And his good form lasted about 4 months, which means he's been an average player longer than he's been a good player.
If we want to be challenging at the top again we need to set our sights higher than having him as an important part of our spine.
You're right more than half of them aren't even defensive midfielders.
Paulinho, Capoue? Have you really seen enough of them to say that they're are better than Lucas?
But I think I get it now, people dislike Lucas because he never scores or provides assists.
Difference being he was at cb when paired with players who don't do the basics.
Plus he had a lot more to do with our successes than Lucas had
Honestly at the level he's playing at, the basics shouldn't be praised, they should be expected.
Im not asking him to maraud forward like some kind of deranged Yorkshire terrier, just for him to contribute more in attack. He gets past the halfway line and freezes. It'd be nice if he contributed every now and then.
2-3 goals in all competitions a season would be nice.
Blame Rodgers then, Lucas is just following instructions. He's there to protect the back line, contributing in attack? That's Gerrard and Henderson's jobs.
Macherano has scored 2 goals in all competitions in 7 seasons with West Ham, us and Barca. Makelele scored 3 in 10 seasons I think. It's a different conversation whether we need a holding player in every game. But you definitely can't judge a holding player by his goals and assists.
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Lucas is one of the most one-dimensional players you'll see. Yes he has played two great first half's this Season already, but he's also had a right mare, the second half at Villas, one of the worst DM performances you'll see all year. Giving away possession, giving away fouls, failing to track back, failing to win 50/50 duels etc.
He is NOWHERE near the class of Hamann or Masher or loads of others before him whom also by all means where nowhere near as one-dimensional despite being DM's. Hamann won headers, had a rocket of a shot on him too, Masher had pace to burn, covered more ground, could even turn a player now and then.
I hope Lucas will play a blinder of a Season as he seems to be trusted/needed in Rodgers setup and when we qualify for the ChL next Season I expect us to buy a better player for that position.
Lucas is one of the most one-dimensional players you'll see. Yes he has played two great first half's this Season already, but he's also had a right mare, the second half at Villas, one of the worst DM performances you'll see all year. Giving away possession, giving away fouls, failing to track back, failing to win 50/50 duels etc.
He is NOWHERE near the class of Hamann or Masher or loads of others before him whom also by all means where nowhere near as one-dimensional despite being DM's. Hamann won headers, had a rocket of a shot on him too, Masher had pace to burn, covered more ground, could even turn a player now and then.
I hope Lucas will play a blinder of a Season as he seems to be trusted/needed in Rodgers setup and when we qualify for the ChL next Season I expect us to buy a better player for that position.
No, that would be the selective reasoning, I think most people have said it's because he doesn't really excel at anything, he's been average more than good for us and something not many have mentioned, he doesn't "dominate" midfields in the way some players in his position have over the years. He doesn't boss opposition players, nor does he control the tempo of games.
As I said earlier, it goes with the territory for DM's, not having much attacking threat, because they're defensive first and foremost, but some do have a reasonable amount of technical and attacking ability. It's like when you bang on about full backs and defenders being technically good and try to put a fair amount of emphasis on ability going forward (see your Carra and Agger comparisons), so why you throw that logic out when it comes to a player in a defensive role further forward is a bit contradictory.
Jesus Christ lads Lucas is painfully average even I can see it
Oh shit, maybe Lucas is good after all...
Yes.
Well yes and no to your second part. He's good at what he does, but he's not so good, like Hamann, Mascherano or Makelele, to the point where we can forget that he does nothing at all going forward.
He's okay. Nothing more, nothing less.
I wouldn't even mind if he scored no goals and no assists every year (which is what happens anyway) if he was an absolute beast defensively. He isn't.
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