Reb, why do you bother? No one agrees with you, and those who may will undoubtedly be afraid to contribute for fear of being chased by the mob ... If he comes good, it won't be at Liverpool, so why bother?
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[quote author=Piedro link=topic=28950.msg731807#msg731807 date=1227457388]
Reb, do you think we can win the league with Lucas starting say, in a quarter of our Prem games?
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if he had to due to an injury to someone which in all likelyhood will happen at some point, yeah I think we can
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No no, that's not the point. Can we win the league with a Lucas and Mascherano midfield?
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=28950.msg731807#msg731807 date=1227457388]
Reb, do you think we can win the league with Lucas starting say, in a quarter of our Prem games?
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if he had to due to an injury to someone which in all likelyhood will happen at some point, yeah I think we can
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No no, that's not the point. Can we win the league with a Lucas and Mascherano midfield?
I agree with reb that blame shouldn't be levelled at one player but I'm of the opinion you play as many of your top players as often as humanly possibly. I don't blame lucas he can't help being shit I blame rafa for picking him.
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731810#msg731810 date=1227457460]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=28950.msg731807#msg731807 date=1227457388]
Reb, do you think we can win the league with Lucas starting say, in a quarter of our Prem games?
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if he had to due to an injury to someone which in all likelyhood will happen at some point, yeah I think we can
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No no, that's not the point. Can we win the league with a Lucas and Mascherano midfield?
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do you have a crystal ball?
all we can do is used past evidence, Alonso was injured last season for a few league games and Lucas came into the team and the team (gasp) maintained a league winning points average. football is about the team, rarely will the team be as flat as yesterday hopefully. most of it was down to internationals but I agree Lucas was poor and so was Keane!
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731810#msg731810 date=1227457460]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=28950.msg731807#msg731807 date=1227457388]
Reb, do you think we can win the league with Lucas starting say, in a quarter of our Prem games?
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if he had to due to an injury to someone which in all likelyhood will happen at some point, yeah I think we can
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No no, that's not the point. Can we win the league with a Lucas and Mascherano midfield?
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do you have a crystal ball?
all we can do is used past evidence, Alonso was injured last season for a few league games and Lucas came into the team and the team (gasp) maintained a league winning points average. football is about the team, rarely will the team be as flat as yesterday hopefully. most of it was down to internationals but I agree Lucas was poor and so was Keane!
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731813#msg731813 date=1227457579]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731810#msg731810 date=1227457460]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=28950.msg731807#msg731807 date=1227457388]
Reb, do you think we can win the league with Lucas starting say, in a quarter of our Prem games?
[/quote]
if he had to due to an injury to someone which in all likelyhood will happen at some point, yeah I think we can
[/quote]
No no, that's not the point. Can we win the league with a Lucas and Mascherano midfield?
[/quote]
do you have a crystal ball?
all we can do is used past evidence, Alonso was injured last season for a few league games and Lucas came into the team and the team (gasp) maintained a league winning points average. football is about the team, rarely will the team be as flat as yesterday hopefully. most of it was down to internationals but I agree Lucas was poor and so was Keane!
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Because he was playing alongside Gerrard you daft cunt.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731813#msg731813 date=1227457579]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731810#msg731810 date=1227457460]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=28950.msg731807#msg731807 date=1227457388]
Reb, do you think we can win the league with Lucas starting say, in a quarter of our Prem games?
[/quote]
if he had to due to an injury to someone which in all likelyhood will happen at some point, yeah I think we can
[/quote]
No no, that's not the point. Can we win the league with a Lucas and Mascherano midfield?
[/quote]
do you have a crystal ball?
all we can do is used past evidence, Alonso was injured last season for a few league games and Lucas came into the team and the team (gasp) maintained a league winning points average. football is about the team, rarely will the team be as flat as yesterday hopefully. most of it was down to internationals but I agree Lucas was poor and so was Keane!
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Because he was playing alongside Gerrard you daft cunt.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731821#msg731821 date=1227457850]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731818#msg731818 date=1227457746]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731813#msg731813 date=1227457579]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731810#msg731810 date=1227457460]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=28950.msg731807#msg731807 date=1227457388]
Reb, do you think we can win the league with Lucas starting say, in a quarter of our Prem games?
[/quote]
if he had to due to an injury to someone which in all likelyhood will happen at some point, yeah I think we can
[/quote]
No no, that's not the point. Can we win the league with a Lucas and Mascherano midfield?
[/quote]
do you have a crystal ball?
all we can do is used past evidence, Alonso was injured last season for a few league games and Lucas came into the team and the team (gasp) maintained a league winning points average. football is about the team, rarely will the team be as flat as yesterday hopefully. most of it was down to internationals but I agree Lucas was poor and so was Keane!
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Because he was playing alongside Gerrard you daft cunt.
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he also played with Alonso from memory.
so then, we shouldnt worry about Lucas/Masher/Gerrard? as I said, Lucas fulfills a squad role and of the 14 times he's come in to do the job we aint lost, we've won 34 points 2.42 points per game, so i'd have no problem with him coming in and doing a job in future and im sure Rafa doesn't
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731818#msg731818 date=1227457746]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731813#msg731813 date=1227457579]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731810#msg731810 date=1227457460]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=28950.msg731807#msg731807 date=1227457388]
Reb, do you think we can win the league with Lucas starting say, in a quarter of our Prem games?
[/quote]
if he had to due to an injury to someone which in all likelyhood will happen at some point, yeah I think we can
[/quote]
No no, that's not the point. Can we win the league with a Lucas and Mascherano midfield?
[/quote]
do you have a crystal ball?
all we can do is used past evidence, Alonso was injured last season for a few league games and Lucas came into the team and the team (gasp) maintained a league winning points average. football is about the team, rarely will the team be as flat as yesterday hopefully. most of it was down to internationals but I agree Lucas was poor and so was Keane!
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Because he was playing alongside Gerrard you daft cunt.
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he also played with Alonso from memory.
so then, we shouldnt worry about Lucas/Masher/Gerrard? as I said, Lucas fulfills a squad role and of the 14 times he's come in to do the job we aint lost, we've won 34 points 2.42 points per game, so i'd have no problem with him coming in and doing a job in future and im sure Rafa doesn't
Not read the whole thread, but these are the two things that disappoint me the most about Lucas:
1) When he first came, I repeatedly said that he's completely lacking in strength and needs to hit the gym big time. He's obviously trying to be more aggressive these days (although I'm guessing this is something he's being encouraged to do as it comes in fits and spurts), however he's as weak as he was the day he arrived. Can't understand this.
2) People talk about Babel lacking confidence (funnily only after Rafa mentioned it - now it's become the default thing to say about him), but Lucas is the most timid player at the club. He's not going to make it at this club unless he actually believes he's on a par with his colleagues. Say what you will about Sissoko, but he had self-belief and confidence in spades.
1) When he first came, I repeatedly said that he's completely lacking in strength and needs to hit the gym big time. He's obviously trying to be more aggressive these days (although I'm guessing this is something he's being encouraged to do as it comes in fits and spurts), however he's as weak as he was the day he arrived. Can't understand this.
2) People talk about Babel lacking confidence (funnily only after Rafa mentioned it - now it's become the default thing to say about him), but Lucas is the most timid player at the club. He's not going to make it at this club unless he actually believes he's on a par with his colleagues. Say what you will about Sissoko, but he had self-belief and confidence in spades.
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731828#msg731828 date=1227458136]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731821#msg731821 date=1227457850]
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731813#msg731813 date=1227457579]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731810#msg731810 date=1227457460]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=28950.msg731807#msg731807 date=1227457388]
Reb, do you think we can win the league with Lucas starting say, in a quarter of our Prem games?
[/quote]
if he had to due to an injury to someone which in all likelyhood will happen at some point, yeah I think we can
[/quote]
No no, that's not the point. Can we win the league with a Lucas and Mascherano midfield?
[/quote]
do you have a crystal ball?
all we can do is used past evidence, Alonso was injured last season for a few league games and Lucas came into the team and the team (gasp) maintained a league winning points average. football is about the team, rarely will the team be as flat as yesterday hopefully. most of it was down to internationals but I agree Lucas was poor and so was Keane!
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Because he was playing alongside Gerrard you daft cunt.
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he also played with Alonso from memory.
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Dear fucking God. Could someone PLEASE explain to this cretin......
Then again, don't fucking bother, it wouldn't sink into his stubborn concrete head anyway.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731821#msg731821 date=1227457850]
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731813#msg731813 date=1227457579]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731810#msg731810 date=1227457460]
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=28950.msg731807#msg731807 date=1227457388]
Reb, do you think we can win the league with Lucas starting say, in a quarter of our Prem games?
[/quote]
if he had to due to an injury to someone which in all likelyhood will happen at some point, yeah I think we can
[/quote]
No no, that's not the point. Can we win the league with a Lucas and Mascherano midfield?
[/quote]
do you have a crystal ball?
all we can do is used past evidence, Alonso was injured last season for a few league games and Lucas came into the team and the team (gasp) maintained a league winning points average. football is about the team, rarely will the team be as flat as yesterday hopefully. most of it was down to internationals but I agree Lucas was poor and so was Keane!
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Because he was playing alongside Gerrard you daft cunt.
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he also played with Alonso from memory.
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Dear fucking God. Could someone PLEASE explain to this cretin......
Then again, don't fucking bother, it wouldn't sink into his stubborn concrete head anyway.
*devil's advocate alert*
that was a fantastic through ball for keane yesterday though
that was a fantastic through ball for keane yesterday though
Christ you're nuts Rebel.
The fact that we havent lost when he's played in the team doesnt prove how good or bad a player he is.
That is exactly the same logic that would tell you Traore is a world class player cos he was unbeaten in the 2005 CL. It's completely flawed.
You raving mentalist you.
The fact that we havent lost when he's played in the team doesnt prove how good or bad a player he is.
That is exactly the same logic that would tell you Traore is a world class player cos he was unbeaten in the 2005 CL. It's completely flawed.
You raving mentalist you.
it makes me laugh though the obsessive focus on Lucas (wonder what it will be after our next poor result when he doesn't feature?), when 14 times he has done quite well. he is not making grand errors leading to conceeding goals and is pretty safe in midfield, though i'm sure we'd all like to see him more ambitious and confident
there will be a few players at the club who will cover for injuries or rotate and come in every now and then and the quality and how they do will vary, i'd suggest Lucas isn't the worst in that respect and considering his age he is worth pesisting with
there will be a few players at the club who will cover for injuries or rotate and come in every now and then and the quality and how they do will vary, i'd suggest Lucas isn't the worst in that respect and considering his age he is worth pesisting with
rebel, what exactly is the point you are trying to make?
lucas deserves a chance?
lucas isn't as bad as people are making out?
lucas isn't to blame for our poor results?
what?
lucas deserves a chance?
lucas isn't as bad as people are making out?
lucas isn't to blame for our poor results?
what?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=28950.msg731864#msg731864 date=1227459099]
rebel, what exactly is the point you are trying to make?
lucas deserves a chance?
lucas isn't as bad as people are making out?
lucas isn't to blame for our poor results?
what?
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that on the evidence ive seen Lucas isnt a bad squad player
rebel, what exactly is the point you are trying to make?
lucas deserves a chance?
lucas isn't as bad as people are making out?
lucas isn't to blame for our poor results?
what?
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that on the evidence ive seen Lucas isnt a bad squad player
rebel, you seem to misunderstand the role of a squad player. he isn't there to just make up the numbers, he is supposed to come in and do a job. If he can't, then he shouldn't be playing.
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=28950.msg731884#msg731884 date=1227460035]
rebel, you seem to misunderstand the role of a squad player. he isn't there to just make up the numbers, he is supposed to come in and do a job when your first choices are unavailable.. If he can't, then he shouldn't be playing.
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Amended.
rebel, you seem to misunderstand the role of a squad player. he isn't there to just make up the numbers, he is supposed to come in and do a job when your first choices are unavailable.. If he can't, then he shouldn't be playing.
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Amended.
thats better
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731891#msg731891 date=1227460309]
he (and others) are also liable to come in when first choices face playing 3 games in 7 days and the fitness staff make an assessment. it happened against Pompey for example, it'll happen again
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Frankly, I'm amazed at how much effort people waste on you.
he (and others) are also liable to come in when first choices face playing 3 games in 7 days and the fitness staff make an assessment. it happened against Pompey for example, it'll happen again
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Frankly, I'm amazed at how much effort people waste on you.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731887#msg731887 date=1227460114]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=28950.msg731884#msg731884 date=1227460035]
rebel, you seem to misunderstand the role of a squad player. he isn't there to just make up the numbers, he is supposed to come in and do a job when your first choices are unavailable.. If he can't, then he shouldn't be playing.
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Amended.
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surely the bit in red should be aimed at rafa rather than lucas.
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=28950.msg731884#msg731884 date=1227460035]
rebel, you seem to misunderstand the role of a squad player. he isn't there to just make up the numbers, he is supposed to come in and do a job when your first choices are unavailable.. If he can't, then he shouldn't be playing.
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Amended.
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surely the bit in red should be aimed at rafa rather than lucas.
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731891#msg731891 date=1227460309]
he (and others) are also liable to come in when first choices face playing 3 games in 7 days and the fitness staff make an assessment. it happened against Pompey for example, it'll happen again
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Frankly, I'm amazed at how much effort people waste on you.
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I spout facts, that's all
do you really think Rafa wakes up and says i'll bench Alonso for no discernable reason. or do you think they made an assessment based on the fact that he played 90 mins mid week and would rather try and keep him fresh for next wednesday
so Rafa benching Alonso is really one of the great mysteries of the universe, destined to never be solved by the greatest minds on the planet?
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=28950.msg731891#msg731891 date=1227460309]
he (and others) are also liable to come in when first choices face playing 3 games in 7 days and the fitness staff make an assessment. it happened against Pompey for example, it'll happen again
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Frankly, I'm amazed at how much effort people waste on you.
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I spout facts, that's all
do you really think Rafa wakes up and says i'll bench Alonso for no discernable reason. or do you think they made an assessment based on the fact that he played 90 mins mid week and would rather try and keep him fresh for next wednesday
so Rafa benching Alonso is really one of the great mysteries of the universe, destined to never be solved by the greatest minds on the planet?
Lucas is shite. Eat my facts.
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731887#msg731887 date=1227460114]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=28950.msg731884#msg731884 date=1227460035]
rebel, you seem to misunderstand the role of a squad player. he isn't there to just make up the numbers, he is supposed to come in and do a job when your first choices are unavailable.. If he can't, then he shouldn't be playing.
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Amended.
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surely the bit in red should be aimed at rafa rather than lucas.
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I haven't got an issue with Lucas. He's 4th choice for a reason - he's an average player and yes, my main gripe is with Benitez for picking him ahead of Alonso. Unfortunately, you read the stupidity of Rebel's reasoning and get side-tracked Spidey.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731887#msg731887 date=1227460114]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=28950.msg731884#msg731884 date=1227460035]
rebel, you seem to misunderstand the role of a squad player. he isn't there to just make up the numbers, he is supposed to come in and do a job when your first choices are unavailable.. If he can't, then he shouldn't be playing.
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Amended.
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surely the bit in red should be aimed at rafa rather than lucas.
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I haven't got an issue with Lucas. He's 4th choice for a reason - he's an average player and yes, my main gripe is with Benitez for picking him ahead of Alonso. Unfortunately, you read the stupidity of Rebel's reasoning and get side-tracked Spidey.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=28950.msg731903#msg731903 date=1227461021]
Well played Rebel.
Your gunstickingness is brilliant.
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he has no self doubt.
Well played Rebel.
Your gunstickingness is brilliant.
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he has no self doubt.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731899#msg731899 date=1227460747]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=28950.msg731894#msg731894 date=1227460544]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731887#msg731887 date=1227460114]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=28950.msg731884#msg731884 date=1227460035]
rebel, you seem to misunderstand the role of a squad player. he isn't there to just make up the numbers, he is supposed to come in and do a job when your first choices are unavailable.. If he can't, then he shouldn't be playing.
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Amended.
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surely the bit in red should be aimed at rafa rather than lucas.
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I haven't got an issue with Lucas. He's 4th choice for a reason - he's an average player and yes, my main gripe is with Benitez for picking him ahead of Alonso. Unfortunately, you read the stupidity of Rebel's reasoning and get side-tracked Spidey.
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maybe, but it annoys me when one player takes it in the neck with 10 other players on the pitch.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=28950.msg731894#msg731894 date=1227460544]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=28950.msg731887#msg731887 date=1227460114]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=28950.msg731884#msg731884 date=1227460035]
rebel, you seem to misunderstand the role of a squad player. he isn't there to just make up the numbers, he is supposed to come in and do a job when your first choices are unavailable.. If he can't, then he shouldn't be playing.
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Amended.
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surely the bit in red should be aimed at rafa rather than lucas.
[/quote]
I haven't got an issue with Lucas. He's 4th choice for a reason - he's an average player and yes, my main gripe is with Benitez for picking him ahead of Alonso. Unfortunately, you read the stupidity of Rebel's reasoning and get side-tracked Spidey.
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maybe, but it annoys me when one player takes it in the neck with 10 other players on the pitch.
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