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Liverpool V Sunderland Season Opener pre-match thread 13/08/11

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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46358.msg1379522#msg1379522 date=1313254382]
The first half was awesome so it's not like we can't play that way with the new players. The right hand side only became a problem when they ran out of steam.
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Agreed we played some good stuff first half, but I always thought Henderson and Flanagan looked a bit lightweight as a right-sided partnership. They're both physically quite slight and they're both very young and inexperienced. It just seemed an odd choice to me.
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It'll be better when Glenjo is back. Attacking wise anyway...
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=46358.msg1379562#msg1379562 date=1313257093]
*Puts hand up*

I did Mr Onceared Sir
[/quote]You and one other poster mate.
 
I'm of the opinion you build on the good parts of the game and try eradicate what went wrong in the second half. In the first half s'land didn't have a kick which suggests the quality is there but where we were calm in possession and pressing in numbers in the first half we were disjointed and erratic in the second half.

Johnson will walk into the first 11 when he is fit but I'm not so sure the same should be true of kuyt, is kuyt going to provide that creavtity? Granted kuyt is a sure bet to score goals but not to create (at least not from right midfield) if you're looking to include kuty then it should be at carroll's expense. Kuyt is NOT a right midfielder. I hope kenny doesn't feel burnt and gives henderson another chance.
 
neil,

we created tons today, just didnt have anyone to put away the chances/crosses/bounces of carroll's head. you just know we would have won if kuyt had started today.
 
Very strange that Flanno got the nod instead of Kelly, and Kuyt should have started.

Was it a sending off for Richardson? I think so, and its even more bitter when we didnt manage to win.

Thought Adam was decent actually. Lucas and Suarez looked like they werent fit, and they arent either having played 45 mins of pre season in total.
 
I'd bet on Kuyt scoring more goals than Henderson AND providing more protection to his left back. Out of all of our signings Henderson makes the least sense as he seems neither a winger or a central midfielder.
 
[quote author=iseered link=topic=46358.msg1379575#msg1379575 date=1313258510]
neil,

we created tons today, just didnt have anyone to put away the chances/crosses/bounces of carroll's head. you just know we would have won if kuyt had started today.
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So why didn't we create chances with kuyt on pitch
 
-----------------Carroll
-----Downing----Suarez----Kuyt
-----------Gerrard---Adam
Enrique--Carra--Agger--Johnson

Things will be much much better once these boys line up.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46358.msg1379582#msg1379582 date=1313258944]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=46358.msg1379575#msg1379575 date=1313258510]
neil,

we created tons today, just didnt have anyone to put away the chances/crosses/bounces of carroll's head. you just know we would have won if kuyt had started today.
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So why didn't we create chances with kuyt on pitch
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We did create some, but it was too little too late. The damage was done, and by the time Kuyt was on the rest of the team was already dreaming about a little cry and a wank in the shower.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=46358.msg1379578#msg1379578 date=1313258723]
I'd bet on Kuyt scoring more goals than Henderson AND providing more protection to his left back. Out of all of our signings Henderson makes the least sense as he seems neither a winger or a central midfielder.
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Henderson has a lot to offer and is hughly talented, but he's a signing for the future and will take some time to develop. Seeing as it was against his old club and his debut, it would have been better to let him start on the bench imho.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=46358.msg1379556#msg1379556 date=1313256660]
That is absolute bollocks.

He only ever turns up after something negative happens.

He's a deliberate WUM, not some hap-hazard lucky charm.
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Are there any posters that only turn up when positive things happen?


An anti-sven if you like?
 
Henry Winter: Liverpool's new boys appear ready for the Anfield revolution
Early signs suggest Kenny Dalglish has invested wisely despite opening day draw against Sunderland.

Sometimes it can take time for new players to settle. In that feted Liverpool side, Peter Beardsley really shone only after Christmas.

As Aldridge looked down from the radio box yesterday, and Dalglish attempted to marshal his resources from the dug-out, Liverpool's new boys sought to live up to a famous tradition. Unlike in 1987-88, it will not happen overnight.

Time, gentlemen, please.

Just ahead of Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam was the pick of Liverpool’s quartet of debut-makers. He began impressively, imposing himself on midfield, for 35 minutes effortlessly steering the game around young Jack Colback.

Short of burning pace, the Scot possesses the main attributes required for life in football’s central combat zone: passing range, appetite, leadership, tackling and a good first touch, especially when controlling the ball with his left foot.


As he proved at Blackpool, Adam constitutes a substantial threat at set-pieces, and it was a slight surprise when Luis Suárez took Liverpool’s early penalty and almost deposited the ball in Stanley Park.

But when Suárez was fouled by Wes Brown, Adam bent in a superb free-kick that the Uruguayan headed in. Adam’s dead-ball qualities will add to those of Suarez, Downing and Steven Gerrard when the captain returns.

For 20 minutes in the middle of the first half against Sunderland, Adam bestrode the pitch like Gerrard, dropping deep, drilling passes, always aware of his team-mates’ positions.

When Phil Bardsley hooked the ball clear, Adam read its descent and immediately headed it unerringly to Downing out wide. He then charged upfield and tested Simon Mignolet’s reflexes. He also put a thunderous challenge on Asamoah Gyan, full of force but free of malice.

As the second half showed, Adam needs more games as he faded, even resorting to fouling Lee Cattermole, although he almost rescued Liverpool with one barnstorming late run.

With Adam nominally on the left of the midfield section of Liverpool’s 4-3-3 and Lucas again anchoring well, Jordan Henderson was stationed on the right, protecting young John Flanagan and occasionally joining the attack. Signed for an eye-watering £20m from Sunderland, Henderson has much to live up to and needs to raise his game from yesterday’s level.

Those who know Henderson well dispute the criticism that he is too nice to cut it in the killing fields of a Premier League midfield.

The England international will mature, a point Dalglish keeps stressing, but it is impossible to escape the conviction that Liverpool’s best-balanced midfield will involve Adam, Lucas and Gerrard.

As the life drained from Dalglish’s players in the second half, Liverpool cried out for the energy of Gerrard, driving them forward, raising memories of past glories against Olympiakos at Anfield, AC Milan in Istanbul or West Ham United in the Millennium.

Over on the left, Downing was making a good impression on Anfield. He looks fit and ready for the challenge.

Some players feel daunted when stepping out at Melwood for training and then Anfield for games, sensing the heightened expectation levels, but Downing has taken them in his stride.

He almost scored with a magnificent strike, thwarted only by the bar. Downing also gives Dalglish options as he highlighted in the second period, going right when Henderson departed and then in the hole after Suarez’s exit. He still possesses that old love form his Middlesbrough days of taking on a full-back, dribbling at speed, but his game has developed.

Some of his flicks to Andy Carroll and Dirk Kuyt drew appreciative applause.

He also indicated that he can forge a good understanding with Jose Enrique on the left.

Dalglish had been intending to use Fabio Aurelio at left-back but the Brazilian fell lame, meaning that Enrique was rushed into action within 24 hours of signing.

Enrique was probably rivaled by only Leighton Baines as the best left-back in the Premier League last season, even eclipsing such established forces as Ashley Cole and Patrice Evra.

Even rusty after the uncertainty of pre-season, and still only on nodding terms with his new team-mates,

Enrique did enough to demonstrate that he should be the answer to a position that has troubled Liverpool in recent seasons.

He still received two lectures from Jamie Carragher, following some confusion at set-pieces, but there were frequent reminders of his ability as a left-back.

He enjoys venturing down the wing, and dinked a fine pass to Henderson after 32 minutes, but does not neglect the defensive side, using his body to shield the ball from Asamoah Gyan early on and closing down Ahmed Elmohamady time and again, even using the corner-flag at one point to work the ball away from the Egyptian.

In truth, two of the most impressive debut-makers wore the strange new away strip of Sunderland. Wes Brown, predictably booed for his Manchester United connections, paraded his strengths at centre-half, largely dealing well with the aerial threat that is Andy Carroll.

Seb Larsson also shone, striking a magnificent volleyed equalizer and departing to a standing ovation from the Sunderland fans. Brown and Larsson certainly settled well.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=46358.msg1379825#msg1379825 date=1313324121]
Yeah, the performance was encouraging in many respects. It's the result that sucks.
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No it wasn't, you can sugar coat all you want, but we lost the plot in the 2nd half. An absolute shambles. We couldn't even hold the ball.
Nah, Dalglish got it wrong. End of....
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46358.msg1379834#msg1379834 date=1313325674]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=46358.msg1379825#msg1379825 date=1313324121]
Yeah, the performance was encouraging in many respects. It's the result that sucks.
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No it wasn't, you can sugar coat all you want, but we lost the plot in the 2nd half. An absolute shambles. We couldn't even hold the ball.
Nah, Dalglish got it wrong. End of....
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the performance was very encouraging, you can dismiss the first half if you chose but there were a lot of positives to take and we can work on the negative (lack of fitness) in training.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46358.msg1379838#msg1379838 date=1313326149]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46358.msg1379834#msg1379834 date=1313325674]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=46358.msg1379825#msg1379825 date=1313324121]
Yeah, the performance was encouraging in many respects. It's the result that sucks.
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No it wasn't, you can sugar coat all you want, but we lost the plot in the 2nd half. An absolute shambles. We couldn't even hold the ball.
Nah, Dalglish got it wrong. End of....
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the performance was very encouraging, you can dismiss the first half if you chose but there were a lot of positives to take and we can work on the negative (lack of fitness) in training.
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You know, you're right but shouldn't we've been working on that in pre-season?
Galatasaray game rings a bell.

I hate being negative but I also call it as I see it, despite people here thinking that Dalglish is infallable.
Playing Flanagan, mistake.
Playing Henderson instead of Kuyt, mistake.
Giving Aquaman a day off, mistake.

Another thing to ponder, wouldn't Suarez have been more valuable to us in the latter part of the game than in the beginning?
So would I have started with Suarez, answer is no.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46358.msg1380081#msg1380081 date=1313352173]
Adam and Lucas gave the ball away 26 times and conceded 10 fouls between them.
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shocking.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46358.msg1380085#msg1380085 date=1313352361]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46358.msg1380081#msg1380081 date=1313352173]
Adam and Lucas gave the ball away 26 times and conceded 10 fouls between them.
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shocking.
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Not really, first thing my Man U supporting friend said after the game was that Adam looked unfit and immobile. It looked as if he was late in every challenge.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46358.msg1380081#msg1380081 date=1313352173]
Adam and Lucas gave the ball away 26 times and conceded 10 fouls between them.
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That's the game I saw, I don't know what Winter and the rest of ye were watching.
 
adam cannot play DM this match proved. He's immobile and he tackles with his hands quite often

lucas started well and faded badly. He's only had 45 min of a pre season and not much of a rest. as games progress he'll improve to the standards of last season
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46358.msg1380204#msg1380204 date=1313366384]
Winter nails it again


regards
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Winter makes sure he gets to ghostwrite Kenny's 'autobiography' again.
 
How cynical, I would not have thought it of you Gene.

Anyways, I think he is largely right.

We need to get the fitness levels up, and the only way of doing that is training hard and giving them games, to that extent I think we will not see many changes in the first half dozen games at least.

I thought the pre-season was an utter disgrace from the perspective of what it is really intended for. As a PR event it was great.

Had Carrolls goal stood like I believe it should have we would not be so down in the dumps, as I think we would have run out 3-1 winners (like what I had a bet on)

regards
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=46358.msg1380207#msg1380207 date=1313367317]
andy carroll's reaction to the disallowed goal was odd. he didn't even shake his head.
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carroll's temper worried me after the friendly against valencia, but he was very disciplined on saturday. good to see.
 
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