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Liverpool V Sunderland Match Thread

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You're speculating on what happened in training as if you watched them and can judge because of that. I'm basing my reasons that Cauker should have been at least on the bench on his latest performance and Sakho and Toure last few dismal performances.
No, I'm basing it Caulker not being on the bench. You get chosen if you're fit and ready. You just want to rant.
 
They've paid their money, they can do what they want.

If the players are that mentally weak (we know that they are) that the result of some fans leaving causes a collapse like that then they're the problem, not the fans.

Both are the problem. The squad needs dynorodding but that doesn't excuse the fact that something like a third of our fans walked out during a game.
 
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The wheelie bin would do a better job in Goal than Mingolet right now..
 
No, I'm basing it Caulker not being on the bench. You get chosen if you're fit and ready. You just want to rant.
They why did you mention training then? Surely it's more likely that he's saving Caulker for the West Ham game in midweek and for some reason doesn't think he can handle playing two games in a week even though he's hardly played at all in the last few months.
 
Klopp has made no difference with this shower, they are too fucking stupid to improve. He needs to give the kids a chance and look forward to the summer.
Was thinking the same thing after watching the display against WHU in the FA. The U-21s have fore more fight in them. A couple of them starting would be a major boost to the team.
 
I'm not his biggest fan, but this the prem, not the ryman league, and concentration and focus have to be absolutely 100%. When masses of fans stream out, it's going to distract the whole team, including Ming. Sure, he may have done it anyway, but when we have a team prone to errors and low on confidence and morale, I'm not surprised at all that we threw that away. There are plenty of ways to demonstrate, but that wasn't particularly helpful.
Of course it wasn't helpful. It works both ways, the crowd is meant to be the 12th man so it can raise the team or lower it.

The fans leaving were willing to let that happen as a statement over the ticket prices. So claiming the owners only cares about money and this also says so are some fans.
 
They why did you mention training then? Surely it's more likely that he's saving Caulker for the West Ham game in midweek and for some reason doesn't think he can handle playing two games in a week even though he's hardly played at all in the last few months.
As an example. We don't know the full story.
 
They've paid their money, they can do what they want.

If the players are that mentally weak (we know that they are) that the result of some fans leaving causes a collapse like that then they're the problem, not the fans.

Its both IMHO. But whats done is done.

1 or 2 more wins and we'll at least still be in the fucking league next season.
 
Of course it wasn't helpful. It works both ways, the crowd is meant to be the 12th man so it can raise the team or lower it.

The fans leaving were willing to let that happen as a statement over the ticket prices. So claiming the owners only cares about money and this also says so are some fans.
I don't agree with that at all. It didn't distract Sunderland did it? If you can't trust a team to defend a 2 goal lead at home to a terrible Sunderland side with 13 minutes to go then the team isn't worth keeping is it.
 
When was the last time Ming had a good run of games for us where you think he might just be alright.

I don't think he ever has, has he?
 
I don't agree with that at all. It didn't distract Sunderland did it? If you can't trust a team to defend a 2 goal lead at home to a terrible Sunderland side with 13 minutes to go then the team isn't worth keeping is it.

Why would it distract Sunderland? They're our fans walking out on our team. Of course it distracted us. It also gives them a real sniff of a win when we let a goal in and have to watch our fans stream out by the thousands. It's gonna demoralise any team. A team that's low on confidence is only more likely to mess up. Blame the individual errors of course, they're the main culprit, but to think the walkout made no difference is naive at best.

Or was Klopp talking crap when he made a huge point in trying to get the fans behind the team and not NOT leave until the end.
 
You know exactly what I mean , they were on the same pitch weren't they and it didn't affect them so why should our team be affected.
So what are you saying? The legendary atmosphere in anfield doesn't or shouldn't affect the team? It doesn't raise us or intimidate the away team? So why did Klopp mention he doesn't like people leaving? Why have all managers commenting on experiencing it?

Or is it the money side? A lot of people says £77 is too much, rightly so. And they took action with their feet - absolutely within their rights. But don't assume or think it won't affect the team if you want it to affect the owners.

To be fair a draw after leading by 2 goals as a result of the walking has a greater impact to the owners than if Liverpool had won.
 
Why would it distract Sunderland? They're our fans walking out on our team. Of course it distracted us. It also gives them a real sniff of a win when we let a goal in and have to watch our fans stream out by the thousands. It's gonna demoralise any team. A team that's low on confidence is only more likely to mess up. Blame the individual errors of course, they're the main culprit, but to think the walkout made no difference is naive at best.

Or was Klopp talking crap when he made a huge point in trying to get the fans behind the team and not NOT leave until the end.
The fans were not walking out because of the team so don't try and say that because it's bollocks.
You know full well that it was a protest about ticket prices and why should they have been demoralised ,they were 2 - 0 up at the time and knew in advance that the fans were likely to leave around the 77th minute mark so it's not like they were suprised is it.
It's great that the fans get the blame for our defence being so shit. The away end must have been fucking empty against Norwich seeing as we concede 4 that day. No wonder the defence shit it's pants.
 
Pep Lijnders : We have 1 of best supporter groups in the world. If they want to make a statement they have every right to. It didn't affect players.
 
So what are you saying? The legendary atmosphere in anfield doesn't or shouldn't affect the team? It doesn't raise us or intimidate the away team? So why did Klopp mention he doesn't like people leaving? Why have all managers commenting on experiencing it?

Or is it the money side? A lot of people says £77 is too much, rightly so. And they took action with their feet - absolutely within their rights. But don't assume or think it won't affect the team if you want it to affect the owners.

To be fair a draw after leading by 2 goals as a result of the walking has a greater impact to the owners than if Liverpool had won.
The atmosphere has been shit all season and has been getting steadily worse for years and the ticket prices have more to do with that than anything. Mentally weak players are to blame here not the fans.
The players will be gone before long but the vast majority of fans that left will still be supporting the team for years.
 
The fans were not walking out because of the team so don't try and say that because it's bollocks.
You know full well that it was a protest about ticket prices and why should they have been demoralised ,they were 2 - 0 up at the time and knew in advance that the fans were likely to leave around the 77th minute mark so it's not like they were suprised is it.
It's great that the fans get the blame for our defence being so shit. The away end must have been fucking empty against Norwich seeing as we concede 4 that day. No wonder the defence shit it's pants.
Read the post and then calm down and reply.

Nowhere did I say they walked out because of the team. But they did walk out on the team, whatever the reason is. The team need the 12th man and they did one.
So just because they knew they were going to walk out, that means it makes no difference when it happens? Blimey
 
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