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Liverpool v Leicester City Post Match Thoughts

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My mate was looking at bet combos on the way to the game yesterday and there was a 300/1 bet, one bit of it had Salah to make 35 passes. I haven't got a clue what his average is so I started counting them, and after 15 mins he had six completed and one flick that went nowhere. I was all like, he's just about on track, but... I think he had one or maybe two more passes in the first half. Halfway through the second half my mate reminded me as he did a one two with someone but we couldn't remember if that was his eighth or ninth pass.

If it was the snow's fault, how come it got much worse as it cleared up? How come the first fifteen minutes was by far the best period?
 
I think it was bound to get worse as the visible ice cleared, cos in obviously becomes water, & (without getting too geeky about it), thawed ice water isn't the same consistency as rain water as it still has ice in it, & therefore won't drain as quickly.

I expect that pitch felt even more sluggish by the end of the match.
 
We desperatly need Trent back for Mondays game. This makeshift right back solution is messing up our defence, stability and attacking shape.
 
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When Matip brings the ball out of defence and goes on a bit of a run he looks so awkward and it seems he is on the verge of losing possession at all times, which he did once.

Shaqiri is better used as an impact sub - he showed against utd that he can read the game from the bench & then make a difference when he comes on (bit like that manc supersub, who is now the best manager the world has ever seen, used to be able to do)

I don't think Keita was as bad as folks are making out
 
I don't think we desperately need Trent back at all, Henderson was absolutely fine at RB last night, in fact he did a great job given the circumstances, sure its not a long term provision but yeah, we're not desperate.

What we are desperate for, is Fabinho in the midfield and Keita's ass sat on the bench. Our midfield was utterly lost last night, sloppy, slow passing , no urgency - nothing. Shaqiri and Keita offered nothing offensively or defensively ; Gini gave it a decent go but it wasn't enough to carry the midfield.

Actually isolating Shaqiri and Keita might not be too fair, given Salah also offered very little, understandably - given Leicester were so compact and deep - it'd great if we could find a plan B in the summer of this sort of side - Whatever that actually looks like....
 
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Keita is one of those players who really needs a game or two in the ressies. To hell with the new tradition of only playing first teamers in the first team to find their form, he needs a low-profile game where he can regain a bit of confidence, maybe score a goal or two and generally start to feel like a dominant player again. Most players seem to get through their slumps in form without that these days, but he looks so bemused during games it's painful to watch.
 
I don't think we desperately need Trent back at all, Henderson was absolutely fine at RB last night, in fact he did a great job given the circumstances, sure its not a long term provision but yeah, we're not desperate.

What we are desperate for, is Fabinho in the midfield and Keita's ass sat on the bench. Our midfield was utterly lost last night, sloppy, slow passing , no urgency - nothing. Shaqiri and Keita offered nothing offensively or defensively ; Gini gave it a decent go but it wasn't enough to carry the midfield.

Actually isolating Shaqiri and Keita might not be too fair, given Salah also offered very little, understandably - given Leicester were so compact an deep - it'd great if we could find a plan B in the summer of this sort of side - Whatever that actually looks like....
Yep, we need Fabinho in midfield.
 
I don't think we desperately need Trent back at all, Henderson was absolutely fine at RB last night, in fact he did a great job given the circumstances, sure its not a long term provision but yeah, we're not desperate.

What we are desperate for, is Fabinho in the midfield and Keita's ass sat on the bench. Our midfield was utterly lost last night, sloppy, slow passing , no urgency - nothing. Shaqiri and Keita offered nothing offensively or defensively ; Gini gave it a decent go but it wasn't enough to carry the midfield.

Actually isolating Shaqiri and Keita might not be too fair, given Salah also offered very little, understandably - given Leicester were so compact and deep - it'd great if we could find a plan B in the summer of this sort of side - Whatever that actually looks like....
The nearest we came to a winner was Keita's run and one/two into the box before being tripped - a stonewall penalty. So yeah, clearly he did nothing offensively. Also as FFF pointed out, Keita cleared our lines from inside our penalty box 3 times, so clearly did nothing defensively either.
 
I think Hendo did well at RB last night put in a few decent balls and did alright defensively.

Re: Keita, I think he has been shit, hasn't done even half of what we expected, so I get why people are pissed off, he cost £50m and can't play football, I do think he'll come good, he's a shy guy, who's come to a new country and seems a bit timid, and a general pussyole, I'll wait till next season before I judge, didn't it take Ox a few months and he only moved from London.

In hindsight we're still in a strong position and we would have taken this for the start of Feb, we just can't fuck up any more of these opportunities, City will be well up for their next game now, squeaky bum time.
 
I was listening to a German journo talking about Keita last week, he said he usually played a very central position, & a bit like Shaq at Stoke, he was the main man & everything went through him, with almost a free role from back to front down the middle.

We haven't played him there at all, he's usually been out on the left wing.

I think he looks lost way too often positionally & I assume this is why the language barrier has been mentioned, cos either he can't understand what klopp is saying or he's not intelligent enough to translate it into on the pitch actions. If it's the latter, we're fucked, cos you can't teach that to thick players.

Given our past record under klopp I doubt its that though, cos we'd have done our homework.
 
You can do your homework and still get a D for it. I'm increasingly worried about the guy.
This is true, but so far the fellas who have been doing their transfer strategy homework for us have been getting A's & A stars mostly, with the odd exception. I hope Keita isn't an exception, cos he clearly has shitloads of talent, & Klopp has been brilliant at molding & shaping players with talent into formidable individual & team players for us.
 
I think Keita will come good, just needs time and confidence.

The BT Sport coverage irked me quite a bit, McManaman going out of his way to have a go at us to claim impartiality. Everyone, including the ref in the studio saying a straight red was a yellow, as well as saying the penalty was not a penalty despite them having eyes that work and are watching the same footage as the rest of us.
 
You're always gonna get a dud no matter how well you scout though. My current hope is that he'll get a decent resale value when he leaves.
 
Firstly the number one culprit for our failure to win was the state of the pitch, closely followed by Atkinson for not awarding a stonewall penalty. That said we were, understandably with injuries and pitch condition, not at our best :

Becker : 6 - with the water in our box he frightened the shite out of me trying to control and pass out.

Robbo : 5 - a lovely run and his usual hard work but can't forgive that tackle. Cost us a win.
VvD : 7 - even ill he's still awesome
Matip : 7 - would be an 8 but for Maguire's goal, he and Hendo must hold their hands up for that, he was totally unmarked at the far post. I loved his runs into midfield, at least he was trying to make things happen and disrupt their formation.
Hendo - 4.5 - clearly not a FB. It was almost as if we played without one without adding anything at all to the attack since he simply does not have the technical ability to keep possession in tight corners under pressure. Tended to come into midfield, off the byline, a lot. Jointly culpable for their goal.

Gini : 7 - rock solid and the midfield pivot. On the negative side no forward runs to speak up at all though.
Shaqiri - 4.5 - one of the worst games I've seen from him. I wasn't sure he was even on the pitch most of the time. Our right side with him, Hendo and Salah should have been our main area of attack. It went AWOL.
Keita : 6.5 - to me, and it seems half of this board and most media commentators, he was nowhere near as bad as the hyperbolic spiel from those with the knives out would have us believe. Won a stonewall penalty, not given. Some sterling defensive work in our box with a number of clearances and generally held on to possession well. He really didn't have much of an outlet on our right so with Leicester defending deep and packing the centre was more or less pushed back to the left midfield and Robbo+Mane as his main outlets.

Firmino - 5 - very quiet by his standards, his close control and flicks made redundant on this water-logged pitch. it even seemed to affect him defensively.
Mane - 7.5 - MotM - the only player who seemed to get into his stride. This will be his first MotM award this season in Morse's table.
Salah - 4.5 - the standing water seemed to affect him more than anyone, nullifying his speed and control.

Subs
Fabinho - 7 - a few stray passes then into his stride. Great addition to the first team.
Lallana - 5 - pointless
Sturridge - 5 - even more pointless

Klopp - 5 - his hands were tied to an extent but Hendo at FB fucked us up, disrupting virtually every aspect of our play. It should have been Fabs at RB if fit (or even Camacho if he wasn't) with Hendo+Gini with Keita central ahead of them.
 
This is true, but so far the fellas who have been doing their transfer strategy homework for us have been getting A's & A stars mostly, with the odd exception. I hope Keita isn't an exception, cos he clearly has shitloads of talent, & Klopp has been brilliant at molding & shaping players with talent into formidable individual & team players for us.

It's true that Klopp and his team seem to have got most of the "big/ expensive" signings right - Mane, Allison, Virgil, Salah especially - and also delivered an absolute beauty in Robertson, but there's always going to be one or two that go badly tits up, and it looks like Keita right now.
 
I think Keita will come good, just needs time and confidence.

The BT Sport coverage irked me quite a bit, McManaman going out of his way to have a go at us to claim impartiality. Everyone, including the ref in the studio saying a straight red was a yellow, as well as saying the penalty was not a penalty despite them having eyes that work and are watching the same footage as the rest of us.

The coverage here on 6CM irked me quite a bit too. According to some, not only was it not a penalty but Keita wouldn't have scored regardless. He did look fouled as he was about to shoot with the outside of his foot.
 
I was listening to a German journo talking about Keita last week, he said he usually played a very central position, & a bit like Shaq at Stoke, he was the main man & everything went through him, with almost a free role from back to front down the middle.

We haven't played him there at all, he's usually been out on the left wing.

I think he looks lost way too often positionally & I assume this is why the language barrier has been mentioned, cos either he can't understand what klopp is saying or he's not intelligent enough to translate it into on the pitch actions. If it's the latter, we're fucked, cos you can't teach that to thick players.

Given our past record under klopp I doubt its that though, cos we'd have done our homework.
Can't be language. Keita has been playing in Austria and Germany for the past 3 years. He certainly seems a bit timid and lacking in confidence though. Tactics holding him back ? I really want to see if he can become the aggressive, confident, player he was in Germany but I don't see that happening if he's not given a run in his favoured position (and it won't this season anyway as we can't afford the risk at this stage).
 
I don't usually bother with Ratings so just a few points. Henderson was good at RB. Alisson made a few unusual clearances but he must be applauded for his ability to nullify Leicester attacks due to his excellent starting positions. He was quick off his line on numerous occasions. In the first half, Mane was back to being the live wire we know he can be. Fabiano was alright when he came on. Gini was decent. Shaq might have to go back to the bench for a while. Sturridge was totally ineffective.
 
If you look at the behind the scenes footage of games at Anfield, you can see most of the other players patting Keita on the back before going out on to the pitch and doing their best to gee him up. It's sort of nice to see but this is a serious time of the season and a major player shouldn't need that amount of encouragement. It starts to be a distraction.
 
Yeah, the early form of Gini, & his continued form TBF, plus awful early cup draws leading to early exits, have conspired against any way for him to find form.

Unless we're beset with injuries in the middle of the pitch & forced into playing him centrally for a few games I can't see him playing his way into form this season either.
 
Keita is a disappointment so far, there's no other way around it, however the hate is at agenda levels on here at the moment, which is completely counter productive. "He can't play football" is a pretty special statement, clearly he can, he's shown in glimpses that he can beat players, turn on the ball quickly, play good passes, and make good forward runs, he clearly has the tools, and that just makes it all the more frustrating.

The issue Keita is having at the moment is twofold, and it's all basic shit which is super frustrating. He clearly doesn't get how the team plays yet, I'm not sure if thats due to the language barrier, or because he's stupid, but it's the biggest thing letting him down, and it'll only be fixed with time. His positioning is off, often he's seen looking over his shoulder not knowing where he should be, and that's really contributing to him playing within himself, he's massively lacking in confidence, and keeps playing it safe as a result, probably due to this apprehension caused by the point before. You can almost see him working up the confidence to do something as the game goes on, as instead of just doing it, it seems as if he's nervous he'll get shouted at or something. Generally when he does try stuff it's effective, he needs to have the confidence to do it more, and I kinda agree with GK, some games in the reserve might help that.

I also think the position isn't helping, he was playing as the further back midfielder last night, he should be playing in the Ox role, playing him and Shaqiri last night was a mistake, it probably wasn't possible due to Fabinho's fitness, but Keita infront of Gini and Fabinho would have been much better balance for me, I don't like seeing Keita drop back almost like a quarterback like he was last night, thats not his game.

Hopes for him? Well now we're out of the cups its difficult, he needs more games in a midfield three in the Ox position, but realistically we can't be playing around with him when we're chasing such a prestigious prize. I'd like to see him coming on in the 60th minute into the Ox position, and potentially starting there when we need to rotate, but unfortunately due to the nature of where his issues seem to lie, I ultimately think he's going to be one for next season, simply he needs more time to settle in and learn the system, and fill more comfortable at the club. One things for sure though, there is absolutely nothing to gain with this agenda, and pushing him out the door in the summer, he's clearly got talent, its the basics that are the issue for him at the moment.
 
I heard something a few weeks ago about some internal frustration or disappointment with Keita right off the bat when he arrived.

Apparently some in the club were frustrated that he had know for a solid year he was coming to Liverpool and arrived having made 0 effort to learn any English. It was being said that it was felt it represented a lack of motivation or interest.
 
I heard something a few weeks ago about some internal frustration or disappointment with Keita right off the bat when he arrived.

Apparently some in the club were frustrated that he had know for a solid year he was coming to Liverpool and arrived having made 0 effort to learn any English. It was being said that it was felt it represented a lack of motivation or interest.

Firmino can't speak English, and he's been here nearly 4 years
 
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