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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40212.msg1106353#msg1106353 date=1274220186]
Graham Hunter - There are two things standing in the way of Mourinho being the next Real Madrid coach. There is a consortium in negotiations to buy Liverpool football club who are speaking to him and want to replace Rafa with him if their deal goes through .........................other non relevant reason......................other than that he will be manager of Madrid'
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*cough* bullshit *cough*
let me get this right, this so could group of people looking to buy the club are also talking to jose? deary me...
[/quote]So you took the time to get this right did you.....
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40212.msg1106353#msg1106353 date=1274220186]
Graham Hunter - There are two things standing in the way of Mourinho being the next Real Madrid coach. There is a consortium in negotiations to buy Liverpool football club who are speaking to him and want to replace Rafa with him if their deal goes through .........................other non relevant reason......................other than that he will be manager of Madrid'
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*cough* bullshit *cough*
let me get this right, this so could group of people looking to buy the club are also talking to jose? deary me...
[/quote]So you took the time to get this right did you.....
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40212.msg1106380#msg1106380 date=1274240610]
So if the press are to be believed, that's Real Madrid, Juventus, Inter Milan, and AC Milan who've shown serious interest in Benitez. Europe's minnows then.
SCM thinks he's a "fucking useless cunt" though.
[/quote]This (vague) argument would carry faaaaaar more water if we hadn't just finished 7th out of 20 in our fifth successive season of winning absolutely nothing.
If you want a fairer reflection on his value to us in this league, pop over to a few fan sites for rival fans in the premier league and see how far down you have to go in the league before the fans of that team would want to swap their manager for ours.
Nb-I know you won't do this, because it wouldn't suit the point you are trying to make. Namely all of Europes elite want him. Well great they can fucking have him.
So if the press are to be believed, that's Real Madrid, Juventus, Inter Milan, and AC Milan who've shown serious interest in Benitez. Europe's minnows then.
SCM thinks he's a "fucking useless cunt" though.
[/quote]This (vague) argument would carry faaaaaar more water if we hadn't just finished 7th out of 20 in our fifth successive season of winning absolutely nothing.
If you want a fairer reflection on his value to us in this league, pop over to a few fan sites for rival fans in the premier league and see how far down you have to go in the league before the fans of that team would want to swap their manager for ours.
Nb-I know you won't do this, because it wouldn't suit the point you are trying to make. Namely all of Europes elite want him. Well great they can fucking have him.
An argument often used to excuse Benitez is that he was not backed sufficiently. Whatever the rights or wrongs of this argument (personally I disagree but there you go), even if you accept it as the truth, that only excuses HIM, it is not a good argument for him to stay in his job!
We may be under budget constraints, but if we are then surely that just goes to show that the manager is not the right man to work under those kind of constraints. Maybe one could argue that he is a top manager and would do well at a top club with a huge budget - who knows if this is true - but if that is not what we are then he is still not suited to the Liverpool job is he? His record working within such a situation certainly suggests as much.
We may be under budget constraints, but if we are then surely that just goes to show that the manager is not the right man to work under those kind of constraints. Maybe one could argue that he is a top manager and would do well at a top club with a huge budget - who knows if this is true - but if that is not what we are then he is still not suited to the Liverpool job is he? His record working within such a situation certainly suggests as much.
For me the reason why Hunter's report doesn't really add up is Rafa's behaviour in all this.
It seems very likely that there was a good offer on the table from Juve and that he was their first choice to be their new manager.
It appears that while Rafa didn't actually turn them down he waited/dithered too long and their patience ran out.
While he was tempted to take up the position due to the financial situation at Anfield, his preference is to stay, all the better with new owners and more transfer money to spend.
So if Graham Hunter is aware that Mourinho is going to come in as manager once the new owners are in place then surely Rafa is too.
So why didn't he jump at the chance of taking up a top tier position like that of the Juve manager?
I know some people will point to the compensation he would get if dismissed but he could have taken up an similarly lucrative contract with Juve. Rafa is a very proud individual and I doubt he would put himself into a position where he would be sacked, especially so if it were to make way for Mourinho as his successor.
All conjecture I know but it seems more plausible to me than Mourinho waiting in the wings for the Liverpool job in the hope we are taken over by wealthy new owners.
It seems very likely that there was a good offer on the table from Juve and that he was their first choice to be their new manager.
It appears that while Rafa didn't actually turn them down he waited/dithered too long and their patience ran out.
While he was tempted to take up the position due to the financial situation at Anfield, his preference is to stay, all the better with new owners and more transfer money to spend.
So if Graham Hunter is aware that Mourinho is going to come in as manager once the new owners are in place then surely Rafa is too.
So why didn't he jump at the chance of taking up a top tier position like that of the Juve manager?
I know some people will point to the compensation he would get if dismissed but he could have taken up an similarly lucrative contract with Juve. Rafa is a very proud individual and I doubt he would put himself into a position where he would be sacked, especially so if it were to make way for Mourinho as his successor.
All conjecture I know but it seems more plausible to me than Mourinho waiting in the wings for the Liverpool job in the hope we are taken over by wealthy new owners.
[quote author=the count link=topic=40212.msg1106511#msg1106511 date=1274276811]
For me the reason why Hunter's report doesn't really add up is Rafa's behaviour in all this.
It seems very likely that there was a good offer on the table from Juve and that he was their first choice to be their new manager.
It appears that while Rafa didn't actually turn them down he waited/dithered too long and their patience ran out.
While he was tempted to take up the position due to the financial situation at Anfield, his preference is to stay, all the better with new owners and more transfer money to spend.
So if Graham Hunter is aware that Mourinho is going to come in as manager once the new owners are in place then surely Rafa is too.
So why didn't he jump at the chance of taking up a top tier position like that of the Juve manager?
I know some people will point to the compensation he would get if dismissed but he could have taken up an similarly lucrative contract with Juve. Rafa is a very proud individual and I doubt he would put himself into a position where he would be sacked, especially so if it were to make way for Mourinho as his successor.
All conjecture I know but it seems more plausible to me than Mourinho waiting in the wings for the Liverpool job in the hope we are taken over by wealthy new owners.
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Very plausible indeed.
Maybe Mourinho hasn't made himself available at the time Juve were chasing Rafa?
For me the reason why Hunter's report doesn't really add up is Rafa's behaviour in all this.
It seems very likely that there was a good offer on the table from Juve and that he was their first choice to be their new manager.
It appears that while Rafa didn't actually turn them down he waited/dithered too long and their patience ran out.
While he was tempted to take up the position due to the financial situation at Anfield, his preference is to stay, all the better with new owners and more transfer money to spend.
So if Graham Hunter is aware that Mourinho is going to come in as manager once the new owners are in place then surely Rafa is too.
So why didn't he jump at the chance of taking up a top tier position like that of the Juve manager?
I know some people will point to the compensation he would get if dismissed but he could have taken up an similarly lucrative contract with Juve. Rafa is a very proud individual and I doubt he would put himself into a position where he would be sacked, especially so if it were to make way for Mourinho as his successor.
All conjecture I know but it seems more plausible to me than Mourinho waiting in the wings for the Liverpool job in the hope we are taken over by wealthy new owners.
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Very plausible indeed.
Maybe Mourinho hasn't made himself available at the time Juve were chasing Rafa?
Mourinho is going to Real Madrid, as I said fucking months ago. Along with most people. So what's the point in discussing him?
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[quote author=the count link=topic=40212.msg1106511#msg1106511 date=1274276811]
For me the reason why Hunter's report doesn't really add up is Rafa's behaviour in all this.
It seems very likely that there was a good offer on the table from Juve and that he was their first choice to be their new manager.
It appears that while Rafa didn't actually turn them down he waited/dithered too long and their patience ran out.
While he was tempted to take up the position due to the financial situation at Anfield, his preference is to stay, all the better with new owners and more transfer money to spend.
So if Graham Hunter is aware that Mourinho is going to come in as manager once the new owners are in place then surely Rafa is too.
So why didn't he jump at the chance of taking up a top tier position like that of the Juve manager?
I know some people will point to the compensation he would get if dismissed but he could have taken up an similarly lucrative contract with Juve. Rafa is a very proud individual and I doubt he would put himself into a position where he would be sacked, especially so if it were to make way for Mourinho as his successor.
All conjecture I know but it seems more plausible to me than Mourinho waiting in the wings for the Liverpool job in the hope we are taken over by wealthy new owners.
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Very plausible indeed.
Maybe Mourinho hasn't made himself available at the time Juve were chasing Rafa?
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I dunno mate.
I thought it was the talk of the town that Jose was moving on at the end of this season.
Unless he had decided that he would stay with Inter till he got them another Champions league and he already feels he has it in the bank?
My dislike for him has lessened somewhat in the last while (although I hope Inter get beaten by Bayern) but I do believe that he would be interested in managing us in the right circumstances.
It's those circumstances though that I cannot see happening any time soon to be honest.
[quote author=the count link=topic=40212.msg1106511#msg1106511 date=1274276811]
For me the reason why Hunter's report doesn't really add up is Rafa's behaviour in all this.
It seems very likely that there was a good offer on the table from Juve and that he was their first choice to be their new manager.
It appears that while Rafa didn't actually turn them down he waited/dithered too long and their patience ran out.
While he was tempted to take up the position due to the financial situation at Anfield, his preference is to stay, all the better with new owners and more transfer money to spend.
So if Graham Hunter is aware that Mourinho is going to come in as manager once the new owners are in place then surely Rafa is too.
So why didn't he jump at the chance of taking up a top tier position like that of the Juve manager?
I know some people will point to the compensation he would get if dismissed but he could have taken up an similarly lucrative contract with Juve. Rafa is a very proud individual and I doubt he would put himself into a position where he would be sacked, especially so if it were to make way for Mourinho as his successor.
All conjecture I know but it seems more plausible to me than Mourinho waiting in the wings for the Liverpool job in the hope we are taken over by wealthy new owners.
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Very plausible indeed.
Maybe Mourinho hasn't made himself available at the time Juve were chasing Rafa?
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I dunno mate.
I thought it was the talk of the town that Jose was moving on at the end of this season.
Unless he had decided that he would stay with Inter till he got them another Champions league and he already feels he has it in the bank?
My dislike for him has lessened somewhat in the last while (although I hope Inter get beaten by Bayern) but I do believe that he would be interested in managing us in the right circumstances.
It's those circumstances though that I cannot see happening any time soon to be honest.
its rubbish. jose isn't coming and you all know he isn't coming.
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[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=40212.msg1106512#msg1106512 date=1274277039]
[quote author=the count link=topic=40212.msg1106511#msg1106511 date=1274276811]
For me the reason why Hunter's report doesn't really add up is Rafa's behaviour in all this.
It seems very likely that there was a good offer on the table from Juve and that he was their first choice to be their new manager.
It appears that while Rafa didn't actually turn them down he waited/dithered too long and their patience ran out.
While he was tempted to take up the position due to the financial situation at Anfield, his preference is to stay, all the better with new owners and more transfer money to spend.
So if Graham Hunter is aware that Mourinho is going to come in as manager once the new owners are in place then surely Rafa is too.
So why didn't he jump at the chance of taking up a top tier position like that of the Juve manager?
I know some people will point to the compensation he would get if dismissed but he could have taken up an similarly lucrative contract with Juve. Rafa is a very proud individual and I doubt he would put himself into a position where he would be sacked, especially so if it were to make way for Mourinho as his successor.
All conjecture I know but it seems more plausible to me than Mourinho waiting in the wings for the Liverpool job in the hope we are taken over by wealthy new owners.
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Very plausible indeed.
Maybe Mourinho hasn't made himself available at the time Juve were chasing Rafa?
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I dunno mate.
I thought it was the talk of the town that Jose was moving on at the end of this season.
Unless he had decided that he would stay with Inter till he got them another Champions league and he already feels he has it in the bank?
My dislike for him has lessened somewhat in the last while (although I hope Inter get beaten by Bayern) but I do believe that he would be interested in managing us in the right circumstances.
It's those circumstances though that I cannot see happening any time soon to be honest.
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If I'm not mistaken there have been no actual quotes of Mourinho in which he says that he wants to manage us since 2004. So where is all this belief that he wouldn't turn us down anyway coming from?
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[quote author=the count link=topic=40212.msg1106511#msg1106511 date=1274276811]
For me the reason why Hunter's report doesn't really add up is Rafa's behaviour in all this.
It seems very likely that there was a good offer on the table from Juve and that he was their first choice to be their new manager.
It appears that while Rafa didn't actually turn them down he waited/dithered too long and their patience ran out.
While he was tempted to take up the position due to the financial situation at Anfield, his preference is to stay, all the better with new owners and more transfer money to spend.
So if Graham Hunter is aware that Mourinho is going to come in as manager once the new owners are in place then surely Rafa is too.
So why didn't he jump at the chance of taking up a top tier position like that of the Juve manager?
I know some people will point to the compensation he would get if dismissed but he could have taken up an similarly lucrative contract with Juve. Rafa is a very proud individual and I doubt he would put himself into a position where he would be sacked, especially so if it were to make way for Mourinho as his successor.
All conjecture I know but it seems more plausible to me than Mourinho waiting in the wings for the Liverpool job in the hope we are taken over by wealthy new owners.
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Very plausible indeed.
Maybe Mourinho hasn't made himself available at the time Juve were chasing Rafa?
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I dunno mate.
I thought it was the talk of the town that Jose was moving on at the end of this season.
Unless he had decided that he would stay with Inter till he got them another Champions league and he already feels he has it in the bank?
My dislike for him has lessened somewhat in the last while (although I hope Inter get beaten by Bayern) but I do believe that he would be interested in managing us in the right circumstances.
It's those circumstances though that I cannot see happening any time soon to be honest.
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If I'm not mistaken there have been no actual quotes of Mourinho in which he says that he wants to manage us since 2004. So where is all this belief that he wouldn't turn us down anyway coming from?
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40212.msg1106514#msg1106514 date=1274277392]
Mourinho is going to Real Madrid, as I said fucking months ago. Along with most people. So what's the point in discussing him?
[/quote]Coz it beats picking whose less shit out of Rafa, O'Neill and McLeish.
COME ON ENGLAND!
Mourinho is going to Real Madrid, as I said fucking months ago. Along with most people. So what's the point in discussing him?
[/quote]Coz it beats picking whose less shit out of Rafa, O'Neill and McLeish.
COME ON ENGLAND!
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=40212.msg1106518#msg1106518 date=1274277679]
If I'm not mistaken there have been no actual quotes of Mourinho in which he says that he wants to manage us since 2004. So where is all this belief that he wouldn't turn us down anyway coming from?
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I don't know where it comes from either.
I certainly wouldn't be one of the posters (and there are a few) that believe that Jose would almost manage us for free, such is his love for Liverpool Football club.
But he does often seem to mention Liverpool and its fans in a respectful, almost effectionate way, which makes me think that at some point, if the circumstances were right, he would consider managing us. (us and another three or four teams)
If I'm not mistaken there have been no actual quotes of Mourinho in which he says that he wants to manage us since 2004. So where is all this belief that he wouldn't turn us down anyway coming from?
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I don't know where it comes from either.
I certainly wouldn't be one of the posters (and there are a few) that believe that Jose would almost manage us for free, such is his love for Liverpool Football club.
But he does often seem to mention Liverpool and its fans in a respectful, almost effectionate way, which makes me think that at some point, if the circumstances were right, he would consider managing us. (us and another three or four teams)
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40212.msg1106380#msg1106380 date=1274240610]
So if the press are to be believed, that's Real Madrid, Juventus, Inter Milan, and AC Milan who've shown serious interest in Benitez. Europe's minnows then.
SCM thinks he's a "fucking useless cunt" though.
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...or maybe a few posters on SCM think that, despite many wanting him out of Anfield.
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I'm one of the few, if anyone asks.
Real Madrid? Inter (which is a crock of shit anyway), Juve?
I don't care if Ben-Hur himself comes on his chariot and proclaims Rafa the Messiah.
He's failed.
He should leave.
He won't.
We can't afford to sack him.
The End.
In more ways than one.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40212.msg1106380#msg1106380 date=1274240610]
So if the press are to be believed, that's Real Madrid, Juventus, Inter Milan, and AC Milan who've shown serious interest in Benitez. Europe's minnows then.
SCM thinks he's a "fucking useless cunt" though.
[/quote]
...or maybe a few posters on SCM think that, despite many wanting him out of Anfield.
[/quote]
I'm one of the few, if anyone asks.
Real Madrid? Inter (which is a crock of shit anyway), Juve?
I don't care if Ben-Hur himself comes on his chariot and proclaims Rafa the Messiah.
He's failed.
He should leave.
He won't.
We can't afford to sack him.
The End.
In more ways than one.
It all a bit mixed up but this is a coogle tranlation of a piece from A.S.com
Benitez: "I do not know if Mourinho is the right person to coach Madrid"
Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez was the star of the breakfast Wednesday of Europe Press, where he discussed his situation at Liverpool, their future and current Real Madrid.
Rafa Benitez defended the work of Manuel Pellegrini as coach of Madrid and praised the behavior that is having the Chilean when it comes to leaving the club and the arrival of Mourinho: "Pellegrini has done a great job and there to give her a great respect , because it is still coach of Real Madrid. He has had an exemplary behavior, because it is not pleasant to talk about going to replace you. "
"I know Mourinho has come much to coach Real Madrid," Benitez said when asked about the Portuguese coach, who added: "I do not know if Mourinho is the right person to train to Madrid."
As for his future, Benitez made it clear who is in Liverpool: "My future is with Liverpool. I have four years left on his contract and I want to accomplish. I have no offer. I hope to make a competitive team."
Asked about the possibility of the Madrid train in the future, Benitez would not confirm or rule out anything: "I'm from Madrid, I'm at home in this city have been linked to the company and is a great club, but I can not say anything more. "
Benitez took advantage to fend off criticism he receives in England and Spain for his work: "My critics in London say that I am not a good manager and experts with an English accent here also say the same, but obviously lots of data. Liverpool has had an average of 69 points in the last 12 seasons. " "It made a huge mistake, which was to start winning four titles. Then people will ask for more, when in fact the Premier is assumed that at first the coach needs time to adjust. Ferguson took seven years to win the Premiership," he added .
He also spoke of the great Liverpool star Fernando Torres. "I have no evidence that Torres wants to go. It is now focused on recovering, to win the World Cup and then think about their future. He multiplied the image of Liverpool in Asia because it makes women crazy there," said the striker Selection.
Another player from the Red, Cesc Fabregas, it seems that will change this summer the Spanish Premier League: "It's a player with personality, thinking of the field and there are not many like this."
With regard to the selection, Benitez did not hide his desire to become coach in the future: "We all want to be coach, but I hope after many years and many wins Del Bosque."
Benitez did not circumvent the problem not experienced this season with his player Albert Riera: "It is a lie not to talk to the players, unlike, say I'm really heavy. It is normal to leave Liverpool. He made a mistake in an interview and I have witnesses and pictures of something that I will not tell. "
Benitez: "I do not know if Mourinho is the right person to coach Madrid"
Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez was the star of the breakfast Wednesday of Europe Press, where he discussed his situation at Liverpool, their future and current Real Madrid.
Rafa Benitez defended the work of Manuel Pellegrini as coach of Madrid and praised the behavior that is having the Chilean when it comes to leaving the club and the arrival of Mourinho: "Pellegrini has done a great job and there to give her a great respect , because it is still coach of Real Madrid. He has had an exemplary behavior, because it is not pleasant to talk about going to replace you. "
"I know Mourinho has come much to coach Real Madrid," Benitez said when asked about the Portuguese coach, who added: "I do not know if Mourinho is the right person to train to Madrid."
As for his future, Benitez made it clear who is in Liverpool: "My future is with Liverpool. I have four years left on his contract and I want to accomplish. I have no offer. I hope to make a competitive team."
Asked about the possibility of the Madrid train in the future, Benitez would not confirm or rule out anything: "I'm from Madrid, I'm at home in this city have been linked to the company and is a great club, but I can not say anything more. "
Benitez took advantage to fend off criticism he receives in England and Spain for his work: "My critics in London say that I am not a good manager and experts with an English accent here also say the same, but obviously lots of data. Liverpool has had an average of 69 points in the last 12 seasons. " "It made a huge mistake, which was to start winning four titles. Then people will ask for more, when in fact the Premier is assumed that at first the coach needs time to adjust. Ferguson took seven years to win the Premiership," he added .
He also spoke of the great Liverpool star Fernando Torres. "I have no evidence that Torres wants to go. It is now focused on recovering, to win the World Cup and then think about their future. He multiplied the image of Liverpool in Asia because it makes women crazy there," said the striker Selection.
Another player from the Red, Cesc Fabregas, it seems that will change this summer the Spanish Premier League: "It's a player with personality, thinking of the field and there are not many like this."
With regard to the selection, Benitez did not hide his desire to become coach in the future: "We all want to be coach, but I hope after many years and many wins Del Bosque."
Benitez did not circumvent the problem not experienced this season with his player Albert Riera: "It is a lie not to talk to the players, unlike, say I'm really heavy. It is normal to leave Liverpool. He made a mistake in an interview and I have witnesses and pictures of something that I will not tell. "
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It all a bit mixed up but this is a coogle tranlation of a piece from A.S.com
Benitez: "I do not know if Mourinho is the right person to coach Madrid"
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translation - 'hey, jose, that's MY job, hands off'
It all a bit mixed up but this is a coogle tranlation of a piece from A.S.com
Benitez: "I do not know if Mourinho is the right person to coach Madrid"
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translation - 'hey, jose, that's MY job, hands off'
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[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40212.msg1106385#msg1106385 date=1274247814]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40212.msg1106380#msg1106380 date=1274240610]
So if the press are to be believed, that's Real Madrid, Juventus, Inter Milan, and AC Milan who've shown serious interest in Benitez. Europe's minnows then.
SCM thinks he's a "fucking useless cunt" though.
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...or maybe a few posters on SCM think that, despite many wanting him out of Anfield.
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I'm one of the few, if anyone asks.
Real Madrid? Inter (which is a crock of shit anyway), Juve?
I don't care if Ben-Hur himself comes on his chariot and proclaims Rafa the Messiah.
He's failed.
He should leave.
He won't.
We can't afford to sack him.
The End.
In more ways than one.
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Look who has managed Juve, Inter, Milan and Real recently:
Leonardo (sacked), fucking Ranieri/ Ferarra (sacked), Mancini (sacked, and not doing much at Man Shitty), Schuster/Ramos/Pellegrini (sacked)
So what the fuck is the hapless O'Tomkins on about now?
Those clubs have all employed (and sacked) some very average to shit managers in recent years?
And?
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40212.msg1106385#msg1106385 date=1274247814]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40212.msg1106380#msg1106380 date=1274240610]
So if the press are to be believed, that's Real Madrid, Juventus, Inter Milan, and AC Milan who've shown serious interest in Benitez. Europe's minnows then.
SCM thinks he's a "fucking useless cunt" though.
[/quote]
...or maybe a few posters on SCM think that, despite many wanting him out of Anfield.
[/quote]
I'm one of the few, if anyone asks.
Real Madrid? Inter (which is a crock of shit anyway), Juve?
I don't care if Ben-Hur himself comes on his chariot and proclaims Rafa the Messiah.
He's failed.
He should leave.
He won't.
We can't afford to sack him.
The End.
In more ways than one.
[/quote]
Look who has managed Juve, Inter, Milan and Real recently:
Leonardo (sacked), fucking Ranieri/ Ferarra (sacked), Mancini (sacked, and not doing much at Man Shitty), Schuster/Ramos/Pellegrini (sacked)
So what the fuck is the hapless O'Tomkins on about now?
Those clubs have all employed (and sacked) some very average to shit managers in recent years?
And?
They are all top clubs who's boards are under the impression they are signing top managers Brendan.
Just because the Madrid managers lost el classico twice or failed to win the double or whatever hardly means A) the board are clueless or B) the managers are of a poor quality.
Just because the Madrid managers lost el classico twice or failed to win the double or whatever hardly means A) the board are clueless or B) the managers are of a poor quality.
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40212.msg1106548#msg1106548 date=1274280628]
They are all top clubs who's boards are under the impression they are signing top managers Brendan.
Just because the Madrid managers lost el classico twice or failed to win the double or whatever hardly means A) the board are clueless or B) the managers are of a poor quality.
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What are you quacking on about?
So we'd be delighted if Schuster, Ramos, Ranieri, Leonardo, Ferrara et al were linked with Liverpool?
GYAC: no we fucking wouldn't be.
They are all top clubs who's boards are under the impression they are signing top managers Brendan.
Just because the Madrid managers lost el classico twice or failed to win the double or whatever hardly means A) the board are clueless or B) the managers are of a poor quality.
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What are you quacking on about?
So we'd be delighted if Schuster, Ramos, Ranieri, Leonardo, Ferrara et al were linked with Liverpool?
GYAC: no we fucking wouldn't be.
The season before Bernd Schuster left, he won the league.
He more or less left after he made some comments about his side standing no chance in the league or something.
Ramos got Seville playing fantastic football and won stuff with them - therefore was considered a decent choice irrespective of his league cup and poor form in England - his track record in Spain was more than sound.
Pelligrini also considered a great manager in La Liga.
So..... cause you don't rate them/ skim read wiki whilst trying to bear back Ryan whenever he makes a suggestion, you all of a sudden know more about football coaches than arguably the biggest football club in the world?
He more or less left after he made some comments about his side standing no chance in the league or something.
Ramos got Seville playing fantastic football and won stuff with them - therefore was considered a decent choice irrespective of his league cup and poor form in England - his track record in Spain was more than sound.
Pelligrini also considered a great manager in La Liga.
So..... cause you don't rate them/ skim read wiki whilst trying to bear back Ryan whenever he makes a suggestion, you all of a sudden know more about football coaches than arguably the biggest football club in the world?
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40212.msg1106551#msg1106551 date=1274281486]
The season before Bernd Schuster left, he won the league.
He more or less left after he made some comments about his side standing no chance in the league or something.
Ramos got Seville playing fantastic football and won stuff with them - therefore was considered a decent choice irrespective of his league cup and poor form in England - his track record in Spain was more than sound.
Pelligrini also considered a great manager in La Liga.
So..... cause you don't rate them/ skim read wiki whilst trying to bear back Ryan whenever he makes a suggestion, you all of a sudden know more about football coaches than arguably the biggest football club in the world?
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I hate fucking repeating myself, but you're dim, so here goes:
"So we'd be delighted if Schuster, Ramos, Ranieri, Leonardo, Ferrara, et al were linked with Liverpool"?
All managers who have managed the "giants" of European football in recent years.
The season before Bernd Schuster left, he won the league.
He more or less left after he made some comments about his side standing no chance in the league or something.
Ramos got Seville playing fantastic football and won stuff with them - therefore was considered a decent choice irrespective of his league cup and poor form in England - his track record in Spain was more than sound.
Pelligrini also considered a great manager in La Liga.
So..... cause you don't rate them/ skim read wiki whilst trying to bear back Ryan whenever he makes a suggestion, you all of a sudden know more about football coaches than arguably the biggest football club in the world?
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I hate fucking repeating myself, but you're dim, so here goes:
"So we'd be delighted if Schuster, Ramos, Ranieri, Leonardo, Ferrara, et al were linked with Liverpool"?
All managers who have managed the "giants" of European football in recent years.
I doubt their names would be held with anywhere near as much trepidation as you make out.
At the end of the day, the Madrid job in particular is one of the most difficult to maintain positions in club football, due to the expectations and so on.
That in no way effects the past records of these capable managers, does it?
At the end of the day, the Madrid job in particular is one of the most difficult to maintain positions in club football, due to the expectations and so on.
That in no way effects the past records of these capable managers, does it?
So, summing up:
Average managers get big jobs at big clubs all of the time
Benitez being (spuriously) linked to any of them mean FUCK ALL
The End
Average managers get big jobs at big clubs all of the time
Benitez being (spuriously) linked to any of them mean FUCK ALL
The End
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40212.msg1106557#msg1106557 date=1274282558]
Prior to Madrid, none of these managers were thought of as average!
They all had decent records
End of.
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Bollocks.
The End.
Prior to Madrid, none of these managers were thought of as average!
They all had decent records
End of.
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Bollocks.
The End.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40212.msg1106558#msg1106558 date=1274282620]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40212.msg1106557#msg1106557 date=1274282558]
Prior to Madrid, none of these managers were thought of as average!
They all had decent records
End of.
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Bollocks.
The End.
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Get back on Wiki Brendan.
Look at all their records prior to Madrid.
They don't just pluck them out of obscurity believe it or not.
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40212.msg1106557#msg1106557 date=1274282558]
Prior to Madrid, none of these managers were thought of as average!
They all had decent records
End of.
[/quote]
Bollocks.
The End.
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Get back on Wiki Brendan.
Look at all their records prior to Madrid.
They don't just pluck them out of obscurity believe it or not.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40212.msg1106559#msg1106559 date=1274282708]
It won't be long then before the likes of O'Neill, Hodgson and McLeish are linked with all these top jobs.
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Hodgson has already managed Inter Milan
Have another go
Actually, don't
It won't be long then before the likes of O'Neill, Hodgson and McLeish are linked with all these top jobs.
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Hodgson has already managed Inter Milan
Have another go
Actually, don't
Anyone? What has Rafa got pictures of? Steptoe slotting Montse?
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40212.msg1106560#msg1106560 date=1274282843]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40212.msg1106558#msg1106558 date=1274282620]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40212.msg1106557#msg1106557 date=1274282558]
Prior to Madrid, none of these managers were thought of as average!
They all had decent records
End of.
[/quote]
Bollocks.
The End.
[/quote]
Get back on Wiki Brendan.
Look at all their records prior to Madrid.
They don't just pluck them out of obscurity believe it or not.
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Villareal is pretty obscure.
And where did Leonardo make a name for himself?
And as for Ranieri. Yeah. Great. One domestic cup in 20 years of management.
I win.
Again.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40212.msg1106558#msg1106558 date=1274282620]
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=40212.msg1106557#msg1106557 date=1274282558]
Prior to Madrid, none of these managers were thought of as average!
They all had decent records
End of.
[/quote]
Bollocks.
The End.
[/quote]
Get back on Wiki Brendan.
Look at all their records prior to Madrid.
They don't just pluck them out of obscurity believe it or not.
[/quote]
Villareal is pretty obscure.
And where did Leonardo make a name for himself?
And as for Ranieri. Yeah. Great. One domestic cup in 20 years of management.
I win.
Again.
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