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LFC vs Hull

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[quote author=the count link=topic=46211.msg1369265#msg1369265 date=1311500047]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46211.msg1369263#msg1369263 date=1311499833]
the only bservation I want to make and I think it's relevent, preseason or not, is front to back we need to take less touches and move the ball faster. it was almost embarrassing the speed at which hull were moving the ball in comparison to oursleves. maybe a lack of fitness means the players are less confident at moving the ball with one touch.
[/quote]Apparently the players had a full training session in the morning prior to the game and had a full session the day previous as well Neil.
I am speculating that Hull prepared for the match in the normal fashion thus looking more match sharp.
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As pointed out aswell, Hull are two weeks ahead in training as their season starts earlier.

At the end of the day, everyone knows we need two signings at the back, but we've played patched up rear guards with no Pepe Reina, two of the goals yesterday came from reasonably good long-range efforts, it's not like we were torn to pieces, though the third goal was avoidable. It's pre-season, there's never much cohesion but that's what it's all about, about getting fit and getting to know one another. The point about us having issues is valid, using yesterday as an example is not. Not when we've played with no Agger, Skrtel, Aurelio, Johnson or Reina, are people really that fickle?

I see no one has bothered to mention Downing yesterday, he showed exactly what we've been missing and what was evidently lacking in the first half against Hull. Width and delivery. The fullbacks were basically playing fullback and wide midfield yesterday with no protection, so it's worth pointing out just how excellent Jack Robo was in the first half. I'm really excited about him and Flanagan, they both look fantastic prospects and their assurance belies their age.
 
We lost in pre-season and some of the lads are going mental. That's laughable. Get a grip lad, its not a train smash. No Gerrard, Suarez, Magic or Lucas. We'll hit the ground running when it matters.
 
was very impressed by henderson, the very first time I have seen the player. nice touches and a good eye for a pass. I hope he doesn't mind the right wing because he isn't going to have a sniff of the middle of the park.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46211.msg1369274#msg1369274 date=1311501283]
was very impressed by henderson, the very first time I have seen the player. nice touches and a good eye for a pass. I hope he doesn't mind the right wing because he isn't going to have a sniff of the middle of the park.
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I think the most impressive thing was his off the ball movement, he seemed to make the same sort of runs Ming makes, into the box and constantly finding himself a yard of space. He'll get goals.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46211.msg1369274#msg1369274 date=1311501283]
was very impressed by henderson, the very first time I have seen the player. nice touches and a good eye for a pass. I hope he doesn't mind the right wing because he isn't going to have a sniff of the middle of the park.
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That's a bit previous. I agree he's probably lined up for RM initially but you can bet Kenny's going to mix and match as the season goes on.
 
was also impressed by downing. in general I've been impressed by individuals in isolation but not by the team as a whole but as I team the team is a mish mash currently. I wish kenny would do away with getting EVERYONE fit and conctrate on players who are going to play and tactics, the season is too weeks off and if we want a snif of CL we need to hit the ground running. getting poulsen fit is neither here nor there to me.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46211.msg1369280#msg1369280 date=1311502073]
was also impressed by downing. in general I've been impressed by individuals in isolation but not by the team as a whole but as I team the team is a mish mash currently. I wish kenny would do away with getting EVERYONE fit and conctrate on players who are going to play and tactics, the season is too weeks off and if we want a snif of CL we need to hit the ground running. getting poulsen fit is neither here nor there to me.
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Neil, it never works that way in preseason. You've got to consider putting players in the shop window and you're obliged as a club to keep a player conditioned for when a move does arise. It's normally only the last few friendlies where you see a manager concentrating on his first XI more, let's not forget aswell, he probably does as much in training anyway.
 
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[quote author=KopKing link=topic=46211.msg1369122#msg1369122 date=1311443267]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46211.msg1369120#msg1369120 date=1311443114]
some points to remember;

1. the players are back after a MONTH of inactivity

2. the sides are a mish mash whose SOLE aim is fitness, often the second half sees a complete different 11

3. several of the first team players who will figure more often than not have not even played

take that into concideration and are preseason friendles worth watching at all much less putting in stock in with regards to the coming season?
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Regardless, we've conceded 3 goals in every game we've played. I'm concerned.
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What? Regardless of the fact we haven't played with our first choice back four yet and we haven't put out more than 2 first team regulars in the backline at the same time?

I'm concerned that Rafa was a bit rubbish at times.
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Man Utd, Chelsea Arsenal do the same they don't concede 9 goals in 3 matches nor lose to the likes of Hull.The Rafa comment was immature and belongs in an aside in another thread that's gone. Move on.
 
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If our emphasis is on attack and we dont play our strongest defence of course well ship goals. It's obvious. You can't scramble a defence together and optimistically expect them to gel
 
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46211.msg1369293#msg1369293 date=1311506148]
If our emphasis is on attack and we dont play our strongest defence of course well ship goals. It's obvious. You can't scramble a defence together and optimistically expect them to gel
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exactly. What worries me is that we didnt score a single goal.
 
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Having not watched the match, i can't comment, but again we didn't play our strongest attack. Soon as our attack lines up and plays a few games together we'll be grand. As long as raul/aqua play central
 
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46211.msg1369296#msg1369296 date=1311506514]
Having not watched the match, i can't comment, but again we didn't play our strongest attack. Soon as our attack lines up and plays a few games together we'll be grand. As long as raul/aqua play central
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Thank you.
 
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Aqua shouldn't be sold and raul is shite everywhere else!
 
Wish i didn't go to see this game yesterday as all the usual suspects were fucking shite.

I still don't get the love for Aquilani. Yeah he plays a few pretty passes and gay flicks here and there but he spends the rest of his time slacking when it comes to work ethic and being shrugged off the ball like hes a 13 year old playing against men. Stop dawdling around flicking your hair about you waste of space!

The new lads all looked decent enough i suppose as did the teams shape when they came on 2nd half.
 
This fascination with an LB surprised me. We haven't been quite the same at the back since Sami left - surprise, surprise!

Our defense is nowhere near as bad as some are suggesting but it would certainly be improved by a commanding CB. As far as LB is concerned - we're not going to sign any LB who's going to be any significant improvement over GJ in the same position as he played much of last season.
 
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=46211.msg1369392#msg1369392 date=1311519866]
This fascination with an LB surprised me. We haven't been quite the same at the back since Sami left - surprise, surprise!

Our defense is nowhere near as bad as some are suggesting but it would certainly be improved by a commanding CB. As far as LB is concerned - we're not going to sign any LB who's going to be any significant improvement over GJ in the same position as he played much of last season.
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true, but it would allow johnson to move to his favoured position.
 
...in which he's been continuously slated, sometimes fairly, for defensive failings which were far less apparent when Kenny switched him to the left last season.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46211.msg1369395#msg1369395 date=1311520344]
...in which he's been continuously slated, sometimes fairly, for defensive failings which were far less apparent when Kenny switched him to the left last season.
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Exactly!
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46211.msg1369394#msg1369394 date=1311520026]
[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=46211.msg1369392#msg1369392 date=1311519866]
This fascination with an LB surprised me. We haven't been quite the same at the back since Sami left - surprise, surprise!

Our defense is nowhere near as bad as some are suggesting but it would certainly be improved by a commanding CB. As far as LB is concerned - we're not going to sign any LB who's going to be any significant improvement over GJ in the same position as he played much of last season.
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true, but it would allow johnson to move to his favoured position.
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Who's to say that his favoured position is his best position?
 
I actually thought Gerrard had his best season playing on the right but that could've been as a result of dabbling with joining Chelsea.


(My memory of events could be wrong here).
 
I don't think players have a favoured position that's different from the one that they think they play best in. Maybe I'm just overestimating their professionalism and intelligence.
 
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=46211.msg1369415#msg1369415 date=1311524728]
I actually thought Gerrard had his best season playing on the right but that could've been as a result of dabbling with joining Chelsea.


(My memory of events could be wrong here).
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That was the season in which he scored the most goals. I'm not sure his all-round play was necessarily better that season than it has been in others.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=46211.msg1369600#msg1369600 date=1311551389]
Fucking wake up lads. GJ is a right back not a LB. We need a LB
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thanks
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=46211.msg1369600#msg1369600 date=1311551389]
Fucking wake up lads. GJ is a right back not a LB. We need a LB
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Yup, GJ is a RB in the same way as Phillip Lahm is a right back. Oh..........wait :🙂

Glenn will play where he's best suited to play for Liverpool. Until he wakes up at RB it's going to be left back. Simple as.
 
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