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Leicester V Liverpool Match Thread

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StatsAndSwearwords (@SimonBrundish)

A game every 4.03 days since Klopp arrived. The most in Europe by almost 25%

Liverpool have played 16 matches in December and January. They now have to play 7 more in the next four weeks
 
StatsAndSwearwords (@SimonBrundish)

A game every 4.03 days since Klopp arrived. The most in Europe by almost 25%

Liverpool have played 16 matches in December and January. They now have to play 7 more in the next four weeks
Drawing away at Exeter and at home to West Ham didn't really help our own cause though did it?
 
Drawing away at Exeter and at home to West Ham didn't really help our own cause though did it?

Would you have played more first team players and then avoided those two replays but not had enough rest for the other games? More injuries?

But 25% more games though and a game every 4 days. Thats pretty insane even without those two replays.

Not an excuse either. It is what it is.
 
Would you have played more first team players and then avoided those two replays but not had enough rest for the other games? More injuries?

But 25% more games though and a game every 4 days. Thats pretty insane even without those two replays.

Not an excuse either. It is what it is.
It is ridiculous but we are piling up the excuses when in fact we just have a bunch of shithouse players.
 
It is ridiculous but we are piling up the excuses when in fact we just have a bunch of shithouse players.

I think its more a sum of all parts and not excuses.

Shithouse players, average players, injuries, congested fixture list and little time for training.

All in all - we are where we are.
 
Well well, no post match thread. Something very wrong right now and Klopp can't and won't improve the situation with this god awful squad. It's the worst squad of players I've ever seen in my 43 years and I can't even be bothered anymore. When Jordan Henderson is your club captain and arguably your best player bar maybe Coutinho, says volumes doesn't it. This squad needs binning and no exceptions, I wouldn't lose sleep over any of them leaving. Apparently we have a world class manager now so give him complete control in summer and let's see what he can do next season or more realistically season after.
 
What we're seeing now are the fruits of a systematic degrading of the club that started under Benitez; the gradual eroding of a team with three-four genuinely top class players, with a decent supporting act that, given the right backing and the right infrastructure, could have been an almost guaranteed top four finisher.

We started selling to buy, with all the politics. Benitez went a little crazy. We then brought in an average manager; then a better manager but with no decent infrastructure and about three-four short term strategies in a row. Then a potentially good but inexperienced manager, surrounded by inexperience, who wasn't very good at picking players and got caught up in a battle with the other people picking players to the point where everyone forgot what they were supposed to be doing - building a squad and building a team.

And here we are. Arguably our two best players - currently injured - are Sturridge, who can't stay fit, but when fit is very good, and Coutinho, who is inconsistent and can only really shine when alongside certain other types of player. Beneath that, a smattering of decent footballers but no-one who can dominate the opposition. Essentially we've got a mix of a supporting act (Henderson, Firmino, Milner, Flanagan, Clyne with maybe one or two others), with a few average players (Moreno, Sakho and maybe one or two more), a few players that flit between average and half decent (Hi Benteke), two top class players who can't be relied on, and a number of kids.

The trouble is we're looking at what should be a supporting act to be top class and our average players to be a decent supporting act. Compare us with Arsenal, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea or Tottenham - on paper - and they each have two-three (at least) top class players who can be relied on, every week (unless Mourinho was in charge). And even then, they're not all doing as well as they should be, on paper.

Leicester, on the other hand, have a clear system, fewer games, disciplined players, and shit hot strikers.

I hated watching last night's game but realistically we're a mid table side in terms of players. It's silly to expect more. If we were in the top four we'd have to be ahead of Arsenal, Man City or Tottenham and we're nowhere near as good as them.

We have a great manager though, which is a reason to be hopeful.
 
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StatsAndSwearwords (@SimonBrundish)

A game every 4.03 days since Klopp arrived. The most in Europe by almost 25%

Liverpool have played 16 matches in December and January. They now have to play 7 more in the next four weeks

I'd also like to see how another manager would have done without any strikers for a season. We've been pretty much playing under klopp with none since he came in.
 
Klopp looks more weary than angry. This is not good.
I suspect it's cos he's realised that being angry isn't gonna help matters.

They're not responding to that, & he can't get anyone in until the summer.

I really want him to drop some of the hapless shite that he's planning to ship out in the summer & give some of these younger players a go in the league games. A run of games to see how they really work out.
 
He seems to have tried angry and it's got him nowhere with our hapless, moronic bastards.

It's resignation that the seasons a write off.

He's not blameless. How much fucking evidence does he require to let him know that he cannot count on the likes of Lucas, Lallana, Sakho and Firmino as a striker?
Can is playing horribly, Henderson is not fit. Lucas is fucking shit, as is Sakho. And yet he still keeps playing Can, Henderson, Lucas and Milner in the same team. WHEN IT NEVER WORKS.

He needs to change quicker. There's going to be a very different line-up against Sunderland, because I can see Lucas, Sakho, Moreno and Henderson all dropped. But he should have done that earlier. Did ONE person think we'd win last night when they saw the team? Nope.
 
He's not blameless. How much fucking evidence does he require to let him know that he cannot count on the likes of Lucas, Lallana, Sakho and Firmino as a striker?
Can is playing horribly, Henderson is not fit. Lucas is fucking shit, as is Sakho. And yet he still keeps playing Can, Henderson, Lucas and Milner in the same team. WHEN IT NEVER WORKS.

He needs to change quicker. There's going to be a very different line-up against Sunderland, because I can see Lucas, Sakho, Moreno and Henderson all dropped. But he should have done that earlier. Did ONE person think we'd win last night when they saw the team? Nope.

Man City 4 - 1 Liverpool
Milner
Lucas
Can
Firmino

Liverpool 3 - 1 Chelsea
Sakho
Milner
Can
Lucas
Firmino

You're right in that he can't count on them but it hardly 'never works'.
 
Well, who is he supposed to play in their stead?

The main problem we have right now is that no-one is scoring goals. I don't really see any solutions elsewhere in the squad.

I guess the one benefit of maybe giving guys like Ojo and Tex a go is that at least it'll be a little bit more interesting for us to watch because it's new. We know there is no Michael Owen or Steven Gerrard in waiting in the youth team though.
 
Well, who is he supposed to play in their stead?

The main problem we have right now is that no-one is scoring goals. I don't really see any solutions elsewhere in the squad.

I guess the one benefit of maybe giving guys like Ojo and Tex a go is that at least it'll be a little bit more interesting for us to watch because it's new. We know there is no Michael Owen or Steven Gerrard in waiting in the youth team though.
There certainly isn't, but there may be good long term decent squad players, or even the odd first team player, there. Until they have games we just don't know.

It's rare that we'd have the chance to give these players a run of games at this level, & Klopp must know he's getting shut of some of the players there so I think it makes sense.
 
Vs Sunderland
Ward
Smith
Lovren
Caulker
Clyne

Brannagan
Can
Allen

Ibe
Benteke
Firmino
 
Allen definitely deserves a game against Sunderland.

Anyone else at LB too please. Smith or Flanagan.
 
Let's play the cup team in the league and swap them over. Our midfield is horrible to watch. No wingers or width, inevitably, and no one that can dominate a midfield. Play anyone else, we've got to that stage
 
With that many younger players I'd try to find a way to get Henderson in there. Probably instead of Can.
Henderson looks wrecked.
Hes been thrown back in to mitigate but fuck that we arent winning the league are we. Let him rest, maybe play him in the Europa. Thats our key to the champions league this year.
 
Henderson looks a long way from being actually capable of playing anywhere near his best
He is very rusty or tired, true. He still puts a shift in though, & we need to get him back to his best asap, & dropping him won't help that. I doubt it'll be long before he finds his match form again.

That said I suppose I'd like him fully fit for cup games now so a rest may help.

Fuck, I don't know.
 
If we win the Europa and qualify for the Champions league next year its a whole different proposition in summer.
That should be our biggest focus right now.
 
Ming wont be dropped.
Moreno and Sakho should get dropped.

I think Klopp is just surprised at how stupid some of our players are.
Moreno constantly opts for the wrong decision. Sakho letting the ball bounce. Lovren playing Vardy onside.
As he said we were in the right positins attacking wise but make the wrong choice.
 
He is very rusty or tired, true. He still puts a shift in though, & we need to get him back to his best asap, & dropping him won't help that. I doubt it'll be long before he finds his match form again.

That said I suppose I'd like him fully fit for cup games now so a rest may help.

Fuck, I don't know.

I don't think he's actually fit. I'm not any kind of medical expert, but the heel problem he's had doesn't look fixed. It isn't really a problem that can be fixed, just "managed".
 
I wouldnt be letting Lallana, Sakho, Moreno or Mignolet anywhere near our first team. They are not only NOT contributing they are actually hurting us.

I like the look of Smith, he looks a good player, Caulker might not get raves but he is quite steady, Ward according to all reports is a great young keeper who has already played top flight football albeit in Scotland....and Lallana just needs a sit down.
Ibe frustrates but hes direct and capable on his day.

I would rest Sturridge and Coutinho and play them only in the cups. League is done
 
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