Lallana

[Frogfish]

Besides the anti-Lallana cliche on 6CM I wonder how he's valued by other Liverpool fans. Certainly every manager he's had seems to love him and he is/was virtually a certain starter for all of them, even his England managers. What is it that they are seeing and value that is not valued by those that are anti on here ? Is it just as simple as goals/assists ?

 

[Markeh]

I like him. Good player, great touch.

The dwelling on the ball thing is probably down to his confidence in possession but it's a valid criticism if a little over used. He works hard enough not to be treated like shit on 6cm but that doesn't stop some people.

 

[doctor_mac]

Hes the kind of player FANS of clubs used to love right? Works like fuck, never backs down, tries all day, decent on the ball.

I dont know how we lost that.
Its interesting seeing the love Dirk gets in the other thread (yes I know striker/midfielder etc) given they have very similar attributes.

Anyhoo.

I agree with most of this Oncy, but having Kuyt never backing down is one thing, but whilst Lallana mightn't mean to back down, he tends to be a pushover against anyone with a physique better than the Mr Muscle advert guy. That's a problem for a midfielder surely?

 

[Mystic]

Last year we were crying out for a midfielder who could comfortably take the ball in a tight situation, turn, and move forward with it, Joe Allen kinda did it, but no where near well enough, and we were clearly linked with Dahoud because he could do it. Well we never get Dahoud, Allen was let go, as Klopp realised he already had that player in Lallana, he has flaws, he can be over indulgent for one, and needs to release quicker, however he can take that ball in his stride and move the play forward with absolute ease, he will help transition us from defence to attack, and that's exactly why he'll keep starting in our team. He needs to cut out the stupid mistakes / risks that he's used to taking as a winger, sure, but other than that, I'm perfectly fine with him playing in a midfield three, playing there he almost reminds me of the player Jack Wilshere showed glimpses of being.

 

[manwithnoname]

Im not sure if its the advent of the internet or the merciless need to validate and numerate and analyse every measurable for every player these days.
But im unsure how all midfielders became 'Do they score goals or not'

I know thats over simplification, but in 15 years Ronnie Whelan broke 10 league goals once, Craig Johnston never, Houghton once etc

I like what he brings to the table.

Goals aside, it's Quite funny how loads of us were quacking on about letting Joe Allen go, and signing Grujic ("big, powerful unit!") as a sign that Klopp had identified midfield as an area of weakness, and wanted more height, power and physicality in there, as his gen-gen pressing game needed tall midfield options who could clear quick, over the top balls with their head blah blah fucking blah, and then plays Adam Lallana in there, who makes Joe Allen look like Graeme Souness.

 

[Oncy]

Goals aside, it's Quite funny how loads of us were quacking on about letting Joe Allen go, and signing Grujic ("big, powerful unit!") as a sign that Klopp had identified midfield as an area of weakness, and wanted more height, power and physicality in there, as his gen-gen pressing game needed tall midfield options who could clear quick, over the top balls with their head blah blah fucking blah, and then plays Adam Lallana in there, who makes Joe Allen look like Graeme Souness.

Hahahaha

 

[ILD]

Hes the kind of player FANS of clubs used to love right? Works like fuck, never backs down, tries all day, decent on the ball.

I dont know how we lost that.

Yep, I've no idea why people don't like him. If you don't think he should start every game, well that's fair enough but he's a very likable player behind it all. Works like a dog and is classy on the ball.

 

[Modo]

Jason McAteer was a likeable player. Worked his socks off. Still wasn't good enough.

 

[doctor_mac]

Yep, I've no idea why people don't like him. If you don't think he should start every game, well that's fair enough but he's a very likable player behind it all. Works like a dog and is classy on the ball.

I like those likeable things about him, I really like them. But I don't understand why it's heresy to wonder if he has the physical attributes to battle in midfield in the most physical of the world's elite leagues. Equally, I don't see the problem people have in questioning what he offers when in one of the attacking positions where his scoring/ assist rate is not what we'd want.

I want someone to convince me that he can make that midfield position work, because he does have some excellent qualities.

 

[ILD]

Jason McAteer was a likeable player. Worked his socks off. Still wasn't good enough.

That's not my point and I don't think it was Oncy's either. It's totally normal to label Lallana not good enough to automatically start for us but it is odd to not like him or want to root for him. Where does the dislike stem from? You can see it littered in various match threads. It's weird. We used to appreciate players like Lallana, some of us still do. However, a few on here, you included look for any opportunity to have a go at him in match threads etc and I personally think it's odd. If you don't think he's good enough that fair enough. I'm happy for him to be a squad player too. I still like him as a player though and will also support him. (Not in an Arn superfan way).

I like those likeable things about him, I really like them. But I don't understand why it's heresy to wonder if he has the physical attributes to battle in midfield in the most physical of the world's elite leagues. Equally, I don't see the problem people have in questioning what he offers when in one of the attacking positions where his scoring/ assist rate is not what we'd want.

It's not heresy to wonder any of that Doc. My post wasn't directed at you. I wasn't answering your original question at all dude. My post was in reply to Oncy's post is all.

 

[doctor_mac]

That's not my point and I don't think it was Oncy's either. It's totally normal to label Lallana not good enough to automatically start for us but it is odd to not like him or want to root for him. Where does the dislike stem from? You can see it littered in various match threads. It's weird. We used to appreciate players like Lallana, some of us still do. However, a few on here, you included look for any opportunity to have a go at him in match threads etc and I personally think it's odd. If you don't think he's good enough that fair enough. I'm happy for him to be a squad player too. I still like him as a player though and will also support him. (Not in an Arn superfan way).



It's not heresy to wonder any of that Doc. My post wasn't directed at you. I wasn't answering your original question at all dude. My post was in reply to Oncy's post is all.

Damn you, you charming bastard.

 

[Mystic]

I like those likeable things about him, I really like them. But I don't understand why it's heresy to wonder if he has the physical attributes to battle in midfield in the most physical of the world's elite leagues. Equally, I don't see the problem people have in questioning what he offers when in one of the attacking positions where his scoring/ assist rate is not what we'd want.

I want someone to convince me that he can make that midfield position work, because he does have some excellent qualities.

He'll have two of Can, Henderson and Wjinaldum behind him, they'll make a strong duo and somewhat negate his need to be a physical powerhouse, his only defensive role will be to track back and start the press, two things he's very capable of. If he can cut out the stupid mistakes I think he'll be very good in the role, as I stated in my previous post, I believe the main reason he's been put there is for his ability to take the ball under pressure and transition forward, something he's very good at in my opinion.

 

[doctor_mac]

He'll have two of Can, Henderson and Wjinaldum behind him, they'll make a strong duo and somewhat negate his need to be a physical powerhouse, his only defensive role will be to track back and start the press, two things he's very capable of. If he can cut out the stupid mistakes I think he'll be very good in the role, as I stated in my previous post, I believe the main reason he's been put there is for his ability to take the ball under pressure and transition forward, something he's very good at in my opinion.

Man, Wjinaldum is as questionable as Lallana in terms of physique and being able to dominate his opponent. I do agree that Lallana does give us the potential to be excellent on the counter, but with both him and Wjinaldum I don't think we're ever going to be able to dominate the midfield and strangle the game when we have an advantage. It is gung-ho or bust. All of the other big teams can close a 1-0 down effectively. It's seat of the pants stuff with us. This season could kill me.

 

[Modo]

That's not my point and I don't think it was Oncy's either. It's totally normal to label Lallana not good enough to automatically start for us but it is odd to not like him or want to root for him. Where does the dislike stem from? You can see it littered in various match threads. It's weird. We used to appreciate players like Lallana, some of us still do. However, a few on here, you included look for any opportunity to have a go at him in match threads etc and I personally think it's odd. If you don't think he's good enough that fair enough. I'm happy for him to be a squad player too. I still like him as a player though and will also support him. (Not in an Arn superfan way).

I don't rate him that's all. It bothers me that he's in the team.
It bothers me that we paid £25 million and he hasn't delivered. Obviously it's not his fault, but I'm sorry he's the fall guy.
Just like Markovic, Balotelli, Lucas etc.

Still, I would like to think that I do praise him when he does well and criticize him when he doesn't do too well.

 

[Windom Earle]

Besides the anti-Lallana cliche on 6CM I wonder how he's valued by other Liverpool fans. Certainly every manager he's had seems to love him and he is/was virtually a certain starter for all of them, even his England managers. What is it that they are seeing and value that is not valued by those that are anti on here ? Is it just as simple as goals/assists ?

I spoke to a few fans during the Euros, they all agreed that England missed him against Iceland. He was in behind a lot in the first two games and making things happen, England struggled for chances without him. The problem he had for England was that he ended up on the end of a lot of chances himself and I'm sure even Lallana would admit he doesn't score enough goals.

He's tidy, he can be very creative at times but he also can lack that cutting edge. If he plays in last year's position then you want a player that can finish and be ruthless there, in this year's position I don't think he is quite combative enough (I think that @doctor_mac pointed out his defensive work was improved against Spurs (which it was), but there was still more than a few attacks that broke down through him).

He doesn't seem to quite fit at the moment. But having said all that, I can see why Klopp wants him in the team. It's for the same reason that he likes Firmino up front - him and Lallana always start the press.

Maybe it's more about fee and expectations with Lallana, as I've pointed out elsewhere; he is matching the level he played at at Southampton.

 

[Modo]

Maybe it's more about fee and expectations with Lallana, as I've pointed out elsewhere; he is matching the level he played at at Southampton.

Which is mid level, and we want to be at the top. I'd like to think that we bought Lallana in order for him to excel.

 

[Windom Earle]

Which is mid level, and we want to be at the top. I'd like to think that we bought Lallana in order for him to excel.

We paid Southampton's fee for their player and that's what we ended up with. We got what we paid for, he's neither improved nor regressed.

I'm sure we expected some uplift in his performances (playing with better players etc. although it's debatable that the squad at that time was much better than Southampton's), but £20m+ for a 26-year-old is hardly "potential" money is it.

 

[Frogfish]

........It's totally normal to label Lallana not good enough to automatically start for us but it is odd to not like him or want to root for him. Where does the dislike stem from? You can see it littered in various match threads. It's weird.

The transfer fee. It's tied around his neck and is used by the anti-Lallana cliche to drag him along by. Of course for Modo that's a double whammy as he's English too !

Whether he is eventually good enough or not I love his 100% effort and bust a gut attitude and he gets my support. I hope Klopp has now found the perfect slot for both him and LFC.

 

[Modo]

I wish people could have the same attitude towards a certain Brazilian.

 

[Leo]

Jason McAteer was a likeable player. Worked his socks off. Still wasn't good enough.

So is Lucas but you were banging his drum for about 6 years.
When hypocrisy suits aye.

 

[ILD]

I don't rate him that's all. It bothers me that he's in the team.
It bothers me that we paid £25 million and he hasn't delivered. Obviously it's not his fault, but I'm sorry he's the fall guy.
Just like Markovic, Balotelli, Lucas etc.

Still, I would like to think that I do praise him when he does well and criticize him when he doesn't do too well.

The first sentence is so petty. It bothers you so you'll chip away at him at any opportunity.

It's odd you brought Markovic into it above there. You don't position him as a fall guy. You've constantly rooted for Markovic to succeed here (as have I) and he's done nothing to merit that support from you yet you dislike a hard working stylish player like Lallana?

 

[Modo]

The first sentence is so petty. It bothers you so you'll chip away at him at any opportunity.

It's odd you brought Markovic into it above there. You don't position him as a fall guy. You've constantly rooted for Markovic to succeed here (as have I) and he's done nothing to merit that support from you yet you dislike a hard working stylish player like Lallana?

Lallana has two season under his belt. Markovic is younger and has a season being played as a right wing back to judge him on. I have always had time for younger players with potential.

 

[Rosco]

Im not sure if its the advent of the internet or the merciless need to validate and numerate and analyse every measurable for every player these days.
But im unsure how all midfielders became 'Do they score goals or not'

I know thats over simplification, but in 15 years Ronnie Whelan broke 10 league goals once, Craig Johnston never, Houghton once etc

I like what he brings to the table.

Fantasy football

 

[ILD]

Lallana has two season under his belt. Markovic is younger and has a season being played as a right wing back to judge him on. I have always had time for younger players with potential.

I agree about Markovic. I really wanted him to do well here. I've rooted for him too.

You said it bothers you that Lallana is playing for us. Surely your gripe should be with the manager then no? During the many many Lucas debates you've always been quick to point out that our managers consistently play him. ie. he must be doing something good. Could you use the same argument for Lallana?
Look at the end of the day, you don't like him, that's fair enough. I'm happy to replace Lallana in the team FWIW but it doesn't bother me that he plays. I'm just surprised people don't like a hard working, stylish player like Lallana, that's all really.

 

[Judge Jules]

If you look through the players Modo's taken against in his time, you'll find they're almost all English - Carra, Hendo, Lallana. Modo's an obsessive and one of his obsessions is "English fans overrate English players". If Lucas were English a pound to a penny says Modo would have it in for him too. All this is far more about Modo's desperate need to cocoon himself in his own preoccupations than it is about individual players per se.

 

[doctor_mac]

If you look through the players Modo's taken against in his time, you'll find they're almost all English - Carra, Hendo, Lallana. Modo's an obsessive and one of his obsessions is "English fans overrate English players". If Lucas were English a pound to a penny says Modo would have it in for him too. All this is far more about Modo's desperate need to cocoon himself in his own preoccupations than it is about individual players per se.

There's something in that for sure.

 

[Athens]

If you look through the players Modo's taken against in his time, you'll find they're almost all English - Carra, Hendo, Lallana. Modo's an obsessive and one of his obsessions is "English fans overrate English players". If Lucas were English a pound to a penny says Modo would have it in for him too. All this is far more about Modo's desperate need to cocoon himself in his own preoccupations than it is about individual players per se.

Specifically English players with foreign surnames. I presume Henderson is a scando name in origin, not sure where Lallana comes from.

 

[manwithnoname]

The first sentence is so petty. It bothers you so you'll chip away at him at any opportunity.

It's odd you brought Markovic into it above there. You don't position him as a fall guy. You've constantly rooted for Markovic to succeed here (as have I) and he's done nothing to merit that support from you yet you dislike a hard working stylish player like Lallana?

Lallana is English. Markovic isn't.

There's your answer for almost everything re: Modo

It would be even worse if Lallana was also Scouse.

 

[Modo]

Lol.
Guess Sakho is English as well.

 

[Fabio]

Lol.
Guess Sakho is English as well.

You hate Sakho??

RACESS