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[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1205772#msg1205772 date=1288041148]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42401.msg1205710#msg1205710 date=1288033947]
I'd quit while I was behind, Modo.

You were,shall we say, exaggerating a little.
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We'll see.
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What there to get smug about, he's getting older? This thread is mental.
 
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=42401.msg1205182#msg1205182 date=1287987436]
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42401.msg1204996#msg1204996 date=1287946355]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1204988#msg1204988 date=1287945588]
I think Skrtel has been very good this season. He and Gerrard are the only players who should be proud of their work so far this year.

And Modokay when a player played a game like Carragher did in Istanbul he NEVER deserves the line 'This guy has really fucked us over at times'.
Please take that back.
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that could be about the richest thing i've ever seen on here given some of the things you've called benitez - who was also in istanbul, if i recall - over the last few months.
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Ha. Rafa nearly cost us the game that night not the other way around. Starting an injured player while leaving your best DM off against the best attack in Europe.

Pfft. Stevie G and Jamie Carragher were what Istanbul was about.
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Now that's a controversial post. Rafa was as much a part of Istanbul as anybody on the pitch. To suggest otherwise is utterly fucking stupid.
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Rafa was the reason we got there.

But Istanbul itself he had a shocking day at the office and only for a freak set of events such as Milan stepping of the gas, Dudek make a once in a lifetime double save, Smicer playing a blinder, Gerrard having a stormer, Carragher having 75 mins of his defensive life and Kewell hobbling off lead us to to do the impossible after half time.

My post was to merely point out in terms of Istanbul how fucking fantastic Carragher was!
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42401.msg1205185#msg1205185 date=1287987882]
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42401.msg1204996#msg1204996 date=1287946355]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1204988#msg1204988 date=1287945588]
I think Skrtel has been very good this season. He and Gerrard are the only players who should be proud of their work so far this year.

And Modokay when a player played a game like Carragher did in Istanbul he NEVER deserves the line 'This guy has really fucked us over at times'.
Please take that back.
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that could be about the richest thing i've ever seen on here given some of the things you've called benitez - who was also in istanbul, if i recall - over the last few months.
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Ha. Rafa nearly cost us the game that night not the other way around. Starting an injured player while leaving your best DM off against the best attack in Europe.

Pfft. Stevie G and Jamie Carragher were what Istanbul was about.
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And THE prime reason we had a fucking chance of being there was Rafa. I can't believe we are still doing this, and I can't believe you still have the nerve to take up such hyperbolic language. I mean, first you exhibited total contrarian blindness to any success we had in recent memory under rafa, even when we were playing a standard of football which I'd fucking kill to see with anywhere like the same consistency now. Then this wierd, contrarian optimism looking forward to a season with a manager who has achieved far less, in a situation that was completely fucking dire, in a fucking mess of a summer.

We know what happened next. Your contrarian position was exposed as completely wrong.

But no, there's no cause for a reevaluation of your positions at all. Why not just start back at square one again with the old boring one about how Rafa almost cost us at Istanbul, or how we'd have won the title if not for him being the one that was in charge having got us so close to winning the title. God, for all we achieved in spite of him, it's strange how we haven't hit the ground running in his absence.

I don't even want to talk about Rafa anymore either, and I'd love for us all to just move on. With that in mind, would it kill you to just take up a reasonable, even handed position about him? Here's a tip for you to start with, try not poking around his single biggest achievement to find failures. It makes you look fucking absurd.
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Ha ha. Bad day at the office?

I have never once denied the amazing success Rafa has had in cup comps. And until the summer signing of you know who I had belief Rafa. But it was then I realised for all our cups and wonderful runs, great european nights, amazing games, wonderful signings, we would never ever win the league under Rafa. So to shot me down for stating the fact I was not happy watching a manager lead a team that would ultimately be 2nd best is a defeatist attitude.
And I never said we win the league under another manager, I just knew we wouldn't under Rafa.

And the mere fact I was so happy to have anyone bar Rafa in charge after last season shows how far backwards he had taken us in his last season.

I don't think anyone could have predicted how bad we would have started this season under Roy. Yes some voiced concerned, but nobody was saying "We'll be in the relagation zone after 9 games!".

I was optimistic, because for the first time in 3 years I wasn't going to have to watch Rafa's team, which was looking more and more disenchanted with every passing week. Nobody outside of this club enjoyed watching games involving us, we weren't winning trophies and we had a manager who blamed everyone bar himself for mistakes.

I don't want to talk about Rafa anymore either, after giving me the best memories as a fan I will always love the man, but his actions in the media over H&G in his last 2 years has left a very bitter taste in the mouth and will always tarnish his record somewhat for me.

Does that make me look absurd, an idiot, a hyberbolic moron?

Well if you say so.

My comment was to highlight the fact that praise for Istanbul (The night, not the run up to it) should be mainly rested on players such as Carragher and Gerrard.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=42401.msg1205787#msg1205787 date=1288044795]
And smicer

Fucking beast of a man
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His best game ever for us.

Talk about stepping up when it counted. Shame he was shite 99% of time apart from that night.

But all in all we agree that it was the players that won us the cup on the night.
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=42401.msg1205842#msg1205842 date=1288073001]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=42401.msg1205787#msg1205787 date=1288044795]
And smicer

Fucking beast of a man
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But all in all we agree that it was the players that won us the cup on the night.
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BAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Utterly fucking oblivious.
 
DB, the more you post, the more ridiculous you sound.

You are so behin, the finish line might as well be on Pluto.

The players won in Istanbul; of course, that much is obvious.

It's not as if Rafa was on the pitch.

And yes, he did get it very badly wrong and we were rubbish for much of the game.

But he did make the changes that worked, namely bringing on Hamaan (when Finnan was injured), and he did manage to motivate the players at probably the worst moment of their professional career up to that point.

I have no qualms in saying that he should have gone; for reasons which many have mentioned already, but there's no need to piss on the good things he did for us.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42401.msg1205846#msg1205846 date=1288074128]
DB, the more you post, the more ridiculous you sound.

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You gotta give him some credit then, cos becoming *more* ridiculous than he currently is is quite an achievement.
 
Benitez wasn't a winner in Dreamy's eyes.

After all, he won trophies.
 
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1205677#msg1205677 date=1288030704]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42401.msg1205342#msg1205342 date=1288000370]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=42401.msg1205340#msg1205340 date=1288000206]
RAWK's stance on Carra is mental of course but what should we expect from them?

He is getting older so he will be in decline to a degree, but i don't agree that he should be dropped. We don't have anyone else who is a better defender and more reliable.

It seems that Modokay is slightly obsessed with getting rid of Carra. I don't really understand that but he's entitled to his opinion. But when you get the same people starting the same threads on the same issues then you do start taking less notice of any logic there.

I don't get the fuss about the contract. What business is it of anyone what he gets paid? He's earned the right to be one of the highest paid players and he is still important to the team, so why not give him a new deal?
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all very good points but I think it's harsh for people to jump all over mokoday for stressing his opinion.
eseentially what has mokoday said? carra is in decline and should be on the bench, and that's it.
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True.
To be honest Kyrgiakos hasn't a put a foot wrong since he joined. I think the reason why so many on here don't rate him is his that he was more or less a free transfer.
Here's some stats, don't really know if they favour him or not:

* He has started 7 games this season (3 Europa league, 1 League cup, 3 Premiership)
* Has scored two goals in the premiership.
* We've won 4 of the games, lost 3.

Liverpool v Trabzonspor 1 - 0 W

Trabzonspor v Liverpool 1 - 2 W

Liverpool v Steaua 4 - 1 W

Liverpool v N'hampton 2(2) - (4)2 L

Liverpool v Blackpool 1 - 2 L (Kyrgiakos scored)

Everton v Liverpool 2 - 0 L

Liverpool v Blackburn 2 - 1 W
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Singlehandedly one of the most wrong statements you'll read on the Internet today.

At times this Season he's looked as cumbersome as any League Two defender you'll find. He's awesome at attacking the ball in the air both in defense and attack but please it's just utter tabloid bollocks to say that he's 'never sat a foot wrong' since he's arrived. I like the big lad but it's so blindingly obvious that what he's got in strength in the air he lacks on the floor.

We'd get absolutely raped with him playing against a half pacy and half decent set of strikers/forward players.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42401.msg1205846#msg1205846 date=1288074128]
DB, the more you post, the more ridiculous you sound.

And yes, he did get it very badly wrong and we were rubbish for much of the game.
But he did make the changes that worked, namely bringing on Hamaan (when Finnan was injured), and he did manage to motivate the players at probably the worst moment of their professional career up to that point.

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A bit of contradiction no?

And if you reread my post I said I never discredited Rafa cup form and never will. The man won cup trophy after trophy. Nobody could argue otherwise. My point was that on that night it was all about the players. Motivation me arse. Nobody walked onto the pitch thinking they were doing anything but damage limitation after half time.

Gerrard's and then Smicer's goal is what gave the team belief.

Rafa f*cked up on tactics formation and most importantly personal that night.

And his two most important subs came from injuries.

I won't argue the point anymore.

I will always be of the opinion that Rafa did amazing stuff on the way to finals, but in the finals always came up short and got bailed out by wonder shows from Gerrard. Except in 2007 when Gerrard for once didn't win us the game and hence we lost to Milan. Even the super cup was all about Cisse. He came off the bench to win it for us with 2 goals in a game we were losing at one point.
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=42401.msg1205972#msg1205972 date=1288087157]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42401.msg1205846#msg1205846 date=1288074128]
DB, the more you post, the more ridiculous you sound.

And yes, he did get it very badly wrong and we were rubbish for much of the game.
But he did make the changes that worked, namely bringing on Hamaan (when Finnan was injured), and he did manage to motivate the players at probably the worst moment of their professional career up to that point.

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A bit of contradiction no?

And if you reread my post I said I never discredited Rafa cup form and never will. The man won cup trophy after trophy. Nobody could argue otherwise. My point was that on that night it was all about the players. Motivation me arse. Nobody walked onto the pitch thinking they were doing anything but damage limitation after half time.

Gerrard's and then Smicer's goal is what gave the team belief.

Rafa f*cked up on tactics formation and most importantly personal that night.

And his two most important subs came from injuries.

I won't argue the point anymore.

I will always be of the opinion that Rafa did amazing stuff on the way to finals, but in the finals always came up short and got bailed out by wonder shows from Gerrard. Except in 2007 when Gerrard for once didn't win us the game and hence we lost to Milan. Even the super cup was all about Cisse. He came off the bench to win it for us with 2 goals in a game we were losing at one point.


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He always came up short in finals?

Oh my fucking Christ.

Just. Stop. There is NO MORE damage you can do to your online reputation. There is NO MORE abuse, ridicule and laughter you can invite onto yourself. You're done. You have achieved a state of grace in which mere words like "stupid" or "retarded" appear absurd, tiny, and inconsequential. You are no longer of this Earth. You are a cabbage that is beyond time, space or reality.

The God Cabbage.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42401.msg1205978#msg1205978 date=1288087825]

He always came up short in finals?

Oh my fucking Christ.

Just. Stop. There is NO MORE damage you can do to your online reputation. There is NO MORE abuse, ridicule and laughter you can invite onto yourself. You're done. You have achieved a state of grace in which mere words like "stupid" or "retarded" appear absurd, tiny, and inconsequential. You are no longer of this Earth. You are a cabbage that is beyond time, space or reality.

The God Cabbage.
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hmm
CL final 05
Super cup 05
WCC 05
CL final 07
FA Cup 06

2nd best team in all but the beauty of football is that the best team doesn't always win.

Rafa got his tactics wrong in all those games but the team lead by Gerrard managed to pull us through on more than 1 occasion.

As for my online Rep. Ha ha ha ha if I'd cared about that, I've stop giving my opinion a long time ago.

I do love cabbage with Bacon though.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42401.msg1205773#msg1205773 date=1288041243]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1205772#msg1205772 date=1288041148]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42401.msg1205710#msg1205710 date=1288033947]
I'd quit while I was behind, Modo.

You were,shall we say, exaggerating a little.
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We'll see.
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What there to get smug about, he's getting older? This thread is mental.
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The exaggeration I'm talking about is him calling Carra all manner of shit and cunt and king of own goals.

As for Carra getting older, only a moron wouldnt see the need to plan for the future.
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=42401.msg1205989#msg1205989 date=1288089111]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42401.msg1205978#msg1205978 date=1288087825]

He always came up short in finals?

Oh my fucking Christ.

Just. Stop. There is NO MORE damage you can do to your online reputation. There is NO MORE abuse, ridicule and laughter you can invite onto yourself. You're done. You have achieved a state of grace in which mere words like "stupid" or "retarded" appear absurd, tiny, and inconsequential. You are no longer of this Earth. You are a cabbage that is beyond time, space or reality.

The God Cabbage.
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hmm
CL final 05
Super cup 05
WCC 05
CL final 07
FA Cup 06

2nd best team in all but the beauty of football is that the best team doesn't always win.

Rafa got his tactics wrong in all those games but the team lead by Gerrard managed to pull us through on more than 1 occasion.

As for my online Rep. Ha ha ha ha if I'd cared about that, I've stop giving my opinion a long time ago.

I do love cabbage with Bacon though.
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The fact that you're unable to see the achievements listed, in comparison with your ludicrous defence of Roy Hodgson, really make your position untenable, DB.

As for not arguing the point anymore.

Thank you.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42401.msg1205990#msg1205990 date=1288089537]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42401.msg1205773#msg1205773 date=1288041243]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1205772#msg1205772 date=1288041148]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42401.msg1205710#msg1205710 date=1288033947]
I'd quit while I was behind, Modo.

You were,shall we say, exaggerating a little.
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We'll see.
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What there to get smug about, he's getting older? This thread is mental.
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The exaggeration I'm talking about is him calling Carra all manner of shit and cunt and king of own goals.

As for Carra getting older, only a moron wouldnt see the need to plan for the future.
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I know Av, the dig wasn't at you. Yeah he's getting on and we need to plan for the future and while Kyrgiakos is a 'good' option he's not for the longterm because he's too slow and a bit rash, his main strength now is for the team from setpieces, but regards Carragher, it's like Modo is acting as though he's been right all along now that the lad is lagging a little.

Yeah, it's called getting older and NO fucking way are any of the other three better defenders than him by a fucking mile.
 
I know you meant Modo, Mark...he's actually right about Carra getting older, which is something we all can see and have seen for a while.

Why else have we been hoping Agger and Skrtel gel?

Didnt have to be a prick about it though.
 
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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42401.msg1205990#msg1205990 date=1288089537]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42401.msg1205773#msg1205773 date=1288041243]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1205772#msg1205772 date=1288041148]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42401.msg1205710#msg1205710 date=1288033947]
I'd quit while I was behind, Modo.

You were,shall we say, exaggerating a little.
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We'll see.
[/quote]

What there to get smug about, he's getting older? This thread is mental.
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The exaggeration I'm talking about is him calling Carra all manner of shit and cunt and king of own goals.

As for Carra getting older, only a moron wouldnt see the need to plan for the future.
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I know Av, the dig wasn't at you. Yeah he's getting on and we need to plan for the future and while Kyrgiakos is a 'good' option he's not for the longterm because he's too slow and a bit rash, his main strength now is for the team from setpieces, but regards Carragher, it's like Modo is acting as though he's been right all along now that the lad is lagging a little.

Yeah, it's called getting older and NO fucking way are any of the other three better defenders than him by a fucking mile.
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When did I call Carra a cunt?
When did I call him the King of own goals? I didn't even bring it up.

Kyrgiakos + Skrtel or Agger that's how I'd like us to continue from now on.
Carra should be the one deputising for Kyrgiakos.
 
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1206055#msg1206055 date=1288095030]
When did I call Carra a cunt?
When did I call him the King of own goals? I didn't even bring it up.
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When did I say you did either??!

Though you more or less did.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42401.msg1206058#msg1206058 date=1288095329]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1206055#msg1206055 date=1288095030]
When did I call Carra a cunt?
When did I call him the King of own goals? I didn't even bring it up.
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When did I say you did either??!

Though you more or less did.
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Not you damn it, that Avenomenon fella.
 
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1206059#msg1206059 date=1288095530]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42401.msg1206058#msg1206058 date=1288095329]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1206055#msg1206055 date=1288095030]
When did I call Carra a cunt?
When did I call him the King of own goals? I didn't even bring it up.
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When did I say you did either??!

Though you more or less did.
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Not you damn it, that Avenomenon fella.
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Your love child Carra....sigh...
When are you guys gonna admit that he's shit.

Re: Man of the match - Game 17 - Blackburn Rovers - Home - PL on: October 24, 2010, 06:59:15 PM
1. Carragher
2. Carra
3. J.C

The two against Man U and the one vs West Ham, Oh and Tottenham....Jesus this guy has really fucked us over sometimes.


Has Kyrgiakos in two seasons scored more goals than Carra has in 10+ years at Liverpool?

Haven't used that list to denounce Carra. Don't really have to.

Finally we have a defender that actually is a threat during set pieces and helps us decide games and we can't fathom the fact that he's better than Carragher because...well I don't know Carra was impressive during a game five years ago.

Anyway, between 2004-2008 Carra was arguably one of the best defenders in the premiership.
Sadly he isn't any more

My apologies, Modokay.

Seems 'cunt' was probably the only epithet you didnt use.

Regards
Avemenononon
 
You forgot:
'This guy has really fucked us over at times'

Anyway...

"Cunt" is too personal. I don't get that involved. I don't hate Carragher I hate the fact that the team I love is playing badly. Carragher is just one of a couple of players I want replaced.
We all want LFC to win the league, I just feel that it's gonna be impossible, if we don't:

A, stop living in the past and reliving players past glories as if they happened yesterday. (The whole CL discussion, with DB, Brendan etc kinda proves my point.)

B, start making tough decisions. That is letting go of players and especially managers that aren't performing at the level they should be performing at.
 
I know,Modo.

You were exaggerating, which is what I was talking about.

Everyone's worried about our future.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42401.msg1206108#msg1206108 date=1288098771]
Modokay is pretty much wrong about everything, all of the time.

His posts are shit
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You just made my day...

Btw I love you too.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42401.msg1206104#msg1206104 date=1288098610]
I know,Modo.

You were exaggerating, which is what I was talking about.

Everyone's worried about our future.
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OK
 
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