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Kyrgiakos + Skrtel, for now...

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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42401.msg1205978#msg1205978 date=1288087825]

He always came up short in finals?

Oh my fucking Christ.

Just. Stop. There is NO MORE damage you can do to your online reputation. There is NO MORE abuse, ridicule and laughter you can invite onto yourself. You're done. You have achieved a state of grace in which mere words like "stupid" or "retarded" appear absurd, tiny, and inconsequential. You are no longer of this Earth. You are a cabbage that is beyond time, space or reality.

The God Cabbage.
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hmm
CL final 05
Super cup 05
WCC 05
CL final 07
FA Cup 06

2nd best team in all but the beauty of football is that the best team doesn't always win.

Rafa got his tactics wrong in all those games but the team lead by Gerrard managed to pull us through on more than 1 occasion.

As for my online Rep. Ha ha ha ha if I'd cared about that, I've stop giving my opinion a long time ago.

I do love cabbage with Bacon though.
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The fact that you're unable to see the achievements listed, in comparison with your ludicrous defence of Roy Hodgson, really make your position untenable, DB.

As for not arguing the point anymore.

Thank you.


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What was my ludicrous defence of Hodgeson. I said he deserved time to prove himself, which incidently our captains agrees with.

And for the record I do believe defeat against Bolton should single the end for Roy.
 
6CM is filled top to bottom with bastards that will at a whim go back and drag up something you've said hours, days or even years in the past. no one is safe. look how long ago oncy uttered 'all alonso does is pass'...
 
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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42401.msg1205846#msg1205846 date=1288074128]
DB, the more you post, the more ridiculous you sound.

And yes, he did get it very badly wrong and we were rubbish for much of the game.
But he did make the changes that worked, namely bringing on Hamaan (when Finnan was injured), and he did manage to motivate the players at probably the worst moment of their professional career up to that point.

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A bit of contradiction no?

And if you reread my post I said I never discredited Rafa cup form and never will. The man won cup trophy after trophy. Nobody could argue otherwise. My point was that on that night it was all about the players. Motivation me arse. Nobody walked onto the pitch thinking they were doing anything but damage limitation after half time.

Gerrard's and then Smicer's goal is what gave the team belief.

Rafa f*cked up on tactics formation and most importantly personal that night.

And his two most important subs came from injuries.

I won't argue the point anymore.

I will always be of the opinion that Rafa did amazing stuff on the way to finals, but in the finals always came up short and got bailed out by wonder shows from Gerrard. Except in 2007 when Gerrard for once didn't win us the game and hence we lost to Milan. Even the super cup was all about Cisse. He came off the bench to win it for us with 2 goals in a game we were losing at one point.


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He always came up short in finals?

Oh my fucking Christ.

Just. Stop. There is NO MORE damage you can do to your online reputation. There is NO MORE abuse, ridicule and laughter you can invite onto yourself.
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Terminal Imbecility?

No, God Cabbage is better.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42401.msg1206176#msg1206176 date=1288105001]
6CM is filled top to bottom with bastards that will at a whim go back and drag up something you've said hours, days or even years in the past. no one is safe. look how long ago oncy uttered 'all alonso does is pass'...
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Not top to bottom. There has to be some room left for the people who post nonsense on an emotional whim and then try to pretend they didn't, which is stupid since there are bastards that will... blah blah.

I sometimes wish that all face to face conversations had a history log and search function.

Sometimes = when I am arguing with a woman.
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=42401.msg1206189#msg1206189 date=1288106709]
Is Agger still injured or just unfancied by Hodge?
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He just hasn't got a place in the side.

He's been unlucky because he was filling in at LB and then we bought Konchesky, allowing Skrtel to get into a good run of form and Martin hasn't done anything worthy of being dropped as yet.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42401.msg1206205#msg1206205 date=1288107959]
6CM - filled top to bottom with bastards and imbeciles

Our guarantee.
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the title that RAWK shuns we wear with pride.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42401.msg1206176#msg1206176 date=1288105001]
6CM is filled top to bottom with bastards that will at a whim go back and drag up something you've said hours, days or even years in the past. no one is safe. look how long ago oncy uttered 'all alonso does is pass'...
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You're not well placed to make this point, neil. No-one on here returns to their pet themes as often as you do.
 
I don't regard yours as pet themes in the same way though. "Lucas is a quacking mong" and "Roy, fuck off now" are pretty mainstream, and I don't mean just on this site.
 
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[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=42401.msg1206189#msg1206189 date=1288106709]
Is Agger still injured or just unfancied by Hodge?
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He just hasn't got a place in the side.

He's been unlucky because he was filling in at LB and then we bought Konchesky, allowing Skrtel to get into a good run of form and Martin hasn't done anything worthy of being dropped as yet.
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Yeah because we've been so good so far this Season no one should be worried about their place.

Perhaps Roy doesn't fancy Agger fair enough then he calls the shots but please Skrtel, Kyrgiakos or anyone else really bar Gerrard and to some extent Carra has got their place nailed down do to start based on performances so far.

That said you are probably bang on. Agger will be benched come Bolton.
 
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42401.msg1206198#msg1206198 date=1288107473]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=42401.msg1206189#msg1206189 date=1288106709]
Is Agger still injured or just unfancied by Hodge?
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He just hasn't got a place in the side.

He's been unlucky because he was filling in at LB and then we bought Konchesky, allowing Skrtel to get into a good run of form and Martin hasn't done anything worthy of being dropped as yet.
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Yeah because we've been so good so far this Season no one should be worried about their place.

Perhaps Roy doesn't fancy Agger fair enough then he calls the shots but please Skrtel, Kyrgiakos or anyone else really bar Gerrard and to some extent Carra has got their place nailed down do to start based on performances so far.

That said you are probably bang on. Agger will be benched come Bolton.
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Skrtel's our highest placed defender on Morse's Player of the Season. He's been pretty good. Let it go.
 
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42401.msg1206198#msg1206198 date=1288107473]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=42401.msg1206189#msg1206189 date=1288106709]
Is Agger still injured or just unfancied by Hodge?
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He just hasn't got a place in the side.

He's been unlucky because he was filling in at LB and then we bought Konchesky, allowing Skrtel to get into a good run of form and Martin hasn't done anything worthy of being dropped as yet.
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Yeah because we've been so good so far this Season no one should be worried about their place.

Perhaps Roy doesn't fancy Agger fair enough then he calls the shots but please Skrtel, Kyrgiakos or anyone else really bar Gerrard and to some extent Carra has got their place nailed down do to start based on performances so far.

That said you are probably bang on. Agger will be benched come Bolton.
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Skrtel's our highest placed defender on Morse's Player of the Season. He's been pretty good. Let it go.
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and Babel isn't even ranked! He's behind the likes of Cavalieri, Poulsen and Lucas.

I like Morse's scoring system 🙂
 
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42401.msg1206198#msg1206198 date=1288107473]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=42401.msg1206189#msg1206189 date=1288106709]
Is Agger still injured or just unfancied by Hodge?
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He just hasn't got a place in the side.

He's been unlucky because he was filling in at LB and then we bought Konchesky, allowing Skrtel to get into a good run of form and Martin hasn't done anything worthy of being dropped as yet.
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Yeah because we've been so good so far this Season no one should be worried about their place.

Perhaps Roy doesn't fancy Agger fair enough then he calls the shots but please Skrtel, Kyrgiakos or anyone else really bar Gerrard and to some extent Carra has got their place nailed down do to start based on performances so far.

That said you are probably bang on. Agger will be benched come Bolton.
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Skrtel's our highest placed defender on Morse's Player of the Season. He's been pretty good. Let it go.
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You do know his reply to this,don't you?

'Hodgson has an irrational hatred of Agger and refuses to play him unless its at LB where he won't be very good and will obviously be very low in the MOrse chart'

I'm just wondering if he's fit to play.
 
Once Agger's fit enough to play, it should be Agger and the Greek in the centre of defence. Skrtel on the bench.
 
Agger will get his place back soon enough.

Anyways for all the good work Morse is doing with his POTS table it's hardly something to use as a benchmark (even more so after only ten games) for whom to play is it Avmenon? Wasn't Lucas rather highly ranked last Season as everyone played mostly crap?

Btw I don't know whether Agger is fit to play yet btw.

If he is I'm sure Roy will kick him over the shin during a training session.
 
The chart is quite good overall though,there really arent many better benchmarks we can use. The end of season chart usually does reflect our best players performances.

In fairness, as I've said..I think Agger is a better defender than many on here give him credit for.

I do think though that you get a bit of stick on here because you're a bit stubborn..Agger might not be named because he's just still injured, not because Hodgson hates him.I hope whichever manager comes in finds a way to utilise all our defenders as best as possible.

We shouldnt give up on Agger and Skrtel as an eventual possible partnership, even though it's not worked as yet.
 
The Skrtel/Agger argument can sometimes get more polarised than it should (not uncommon on internet forums) but I honestly don't think there are many people (any?) on here who reckon Agger isn't a good defender. What some of us, myself included, do think is that his particular fans on here - and Kristian isn't the only one TBF - overpraise him and undersell Skrtel by comparison.

They will no doubt disagree with me on the next point, but IMO Agger or any other player in his situation should have to earn his place back. Skrtel's done nothing to merit being dropped - quite the contrary in fact - and Agger absolutely should not get a free pass back into the team at his expense. If that puts Agger's nose out of joint, frankly that's his problem.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42401.msg1206684#msg1206684 date=1288172802]
The Skrtel/Agger argument can sometimes get more polarised than it should (not uncommon on internet forums) but I honestly don't think there are many people (any?) on here who reckon Agger isn't a good defender. What some of us, myself included, do think is that his particular fans on here - and Kristian isn't the only one TBF - overpraise him and undersell Skrtel by comparison.

They will no doubt disagree with me on the next point, but IMO Agger or any other player in his situation should have to earn his place back. Skrtel's done nothing to merit being dropped - quite the contrary in fact - and Agger absolutely should not get a free pass back into the team at his expense. If that puts Agger's nose out of joint, frankly that's his problem.
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Quite. I don't think anyone thinks he's a poor player at all, but it's irritating hearing him repeatedly overpraised as though he's infallible and deserves to be in the team on the merit of just being fit. It's biased bullshit. Like these stories that come out about him being unhappy, and suddenly there's a conspiracy that Roy is against him for daring to question his loyalty for playing for the national team (and getting injured) when clearly not fit to play for Liverpool.


I admire the patriotism, but if further evidence were needed of this bias, look no furrther than the 1987 thread where, given £75m to theoretically spend, KHL then decides to plump some of it on Nicholas fucking Bendtner!

Sorry to keep labouring the point but if posts keep getting made like the one above about him 'being back in the team soon enough' and the insinuation that Roy doesn't want him there, then I'm gonna continue to get irritated and my levels of completely irrational hatred for the player will continue to fester.
 
The Liverpool of old, a player (no matter how 'big') gets injured and drops out, someone steps in, and keeps his place on merit.

Whoever dropped out has to fight to get his place back, keep 'em hungry, and the team prospers.

If they can't be arsed fighting, or start moaning on twitter or in the papers, sell the fucker, because he's not what Liverpool needs.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42401.msg1206705#msg1206705 date=1288173900]

Quite. I don't think anyone thinks he's a poor player at all, but it's irritating hearing him repeatedly overpraised as though he's infallible and deserves to be in the team on the merit of just being fit. It's biased bullshit...

... I'm gonna continue to get irritated and my levels of completely irrational hatred for the player will continue to fester.
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Can you imagine if we had Laudrup as manager, Lindegaard as goalkeeper, Agger in defence, Poulsen in midfield and Bendter in attack?

There. I've said it. Somewhere in Denmark, someone spunked a load of jizz all over his keyboard just reading about that, despite the infinitesimal possibility.

I shudder to think how torturous it would be.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42401.msg1206684#msg1206684 date=1288172802]
The Skrtel/Agger argument can sometimes get more polarised than it should (not uncommon on internet forums) but I honestly don't think there are many people (any?) on here who reckon Agger isn't a good defender. What some of us, myself included, do think is that his particular fans on here - and Kristian isn't the only one TBF - overpraise him and undersell Skrtel by comparison.

They will no doubt disagree with me on the next point, but IMO Agger or any other player in his situation should have to earn his place back. Skrtel's done nothing to merit being dropped - quite the contrary in fact - and Agger absolutely should not get a free pass back into the team at his expense. If that puts Agger's nose out of joint, frankly that's his problem.[/quote]
I agree whole-heartedly with your first sentiment Jules. Anyone should battle their way back into the team if they are not Reina, Carra, Gerrard or Torres. Or do you reckon they should too? Just curious mate.

Anyways the point I don't agree with is Skrtel or anyone else for that matter playing so good they are undropable so far. Quite the contrary. Against the probably poorest team at Anfield all Season in Blackburn they looked anything but solid. The way Skrtel got skinned for pace with ease was kind of illustrating really for our flaws at the back most of the Season. His ball back to Reina within the last few minutes is another good example why I don't really trust in him over the course of 90 min or a Season for that matter. He's normally boss in the first 20 minutes mind but always seems to drop from there on.

PS MARK1975 with regards to Bendtner. He's got the potential to be fucking awesome. IF he was say Welsh you'd then put him on your list too? He's Welsh. Start loving him, now.
 
If any of Pepe, Carra, Stevie or Torres were injured or suspended and we were winning in their absence - no, I wouldn't automatically bring them back. It's highly unlikely with the squad we've got, but if we were in that happy position I'd have them on the bench until it became clear that we had to have them back in the team.

Skrtel had his shakier moments against Blackburn, it's true. I don't think they were bad enough or frequent enough to warrant dropping though - and, as far as pace is concerned, if Skrtel was skinned it's a safe bet Agger would have been skinned even worse, since Skrtel's the quicker of the two.
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42401.msg1206705#msg1206705 date=1288173900]

Quite. I don't think anyone thinks he's a poor player at all, but it's irritating hearing him repeatedly overpraised as though he's infallible and deserves to be in the team on the merit of just being fit. It's biased bullshit...

... I'm gonna continue to get irritated and my levels of completely irrational hatred for the player will continue to fester.
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Can you imagine if we had Laudrup as manager, Lindegaard as goalkeeper, Agger in defence, Poulsen in midfield and Bendter in attack?

There. I've said it. Somewhere in Denmark, someone spunked a load of jizz all over his keyboard just reading about that, despite the infinitesimal possibility.

I shudder to think how torturous it would be.
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Molby as assistant manager and the Queen of Denmark as our new shirt-sponsor. We need it just look what's happened too us ever since Carlsberg left?
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42401.msg1206684#msg1206684 date=1288172802]
The Skrtel/Agger argument can sometimes get more polarised than it should (not uncommon on internet forums) but I honestly don't think there are many people (any?) on here who reckon Agger isn't a good defender. What some of us, myself included, do think is that his particular fans on here - and Kristian isn't the only one TBF - overpraise him and undersell Skrtel by comparison.

They will no doubt disagree with me on the next point, but IMO Agger or any other player in his situation should have to earn his place back. Skrtel's done nothing to merit being dropped - quite the contrary in fact - and Agger absolutely should not get a free pass back into the team at his expense. If that puts Agger's nose out of joint, frankly that's his problem.[/quote]
I agree whole-heartedly with your first sentiment Jules. Anyone should battle their way back into the team if they are not Reina, Carra, Gerrard or Torres. Or do you reckon they should too? Just curious mate.

Anyways the point I don't agree with is Skrtel or anyone else for that matter playing so good they are undropable so far. Quite the contrary. Against the probably poorest team at Anfield all Season in Blackburn they looked anything but solid. The way Skrtel got skinned for pace with ease was kind of illustrating really for our flaws at the back most of the Season. His ball back to Reina within the last few minutes is another good example why I don't really trust in him over the course of 90 min or a Season for that matter. He's normally boss in the first 20 minutes mind but always seems to drop from there on.

PS MARK1975 with regards to Bendtner. He's got the potential to be fucking awesome. IF he was say Welsh you'd then put him on your list too? He's Welsh. Start loving him, now.
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Loving him because he's Welsh?

You really don't know the English very well,Kris.

;D
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42401.msg1206780#msg1206780 date=1288181929]
If any of Pepe, Carra, Stevie or Torres were injured or suspended and we were winning in their absence - no, I wouldn't automatically bring them back. It's highly unlikely with the squad we've got, but if we were in that happy position I'd have them on the bench until it became clear that we had to have them back in the team.

Skrtel had his shakier moments against Blackburn, it's true. I don't think they were bad enough or frequent enough to warrant dropping though - and, as far as pace is concerned, if Skrtel was skinned it's a safe bet Agger would have been skinned even worse, since Skrtel's the quicker of the two.
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He got skinned because he approached his opponent the wrong way not because he was particularly fast. He attacked the ball with no eye on the movement beeing made hence he just stood there as an Agger-tatooed statue watching football.

I'd drop Kyrgiakos before I'd drop Skrtel mind especially as soon as our opponents gets a little better than Blackburn as he's simply to slow and not quite good enough to make up for it either in positioning nor technique. If Agger's fit I think it's fair enough that he starts on the bench all I'm saying is that I don't think neither of his direct opponents has played that well either. For one I'm not one bit confident in our defense at this stage.
 
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