• You may have to login or register before you can post and view our exclusive members only forums.
    To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Kyrgiakos + Skrtel, for now...

Forums Unread posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=42401.msg1204887#msg1204887 date=1287938441]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42401.msg1204883#msg1204883 date=1287938358]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1204880#msg1204880 date=1287938153]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42401.msg1204879#msg1204879 date=1287938079]
No, it isn't.

It's a stupid fucking statistic used by morons to denounce a fine defender.
[/quote]
I bet if it was Gary Neville topping that list you'd have a different opinion.
[/quote]

No, it wouldn't.

The reason we hate Neville is because he was a fantastic defender.
[/quote]
E

Actually, the reason we hate him is because he's a Manc and a rat-faced cunt.
[/quote]
Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
That too.

But you don't see anyone hating Titus bramble.

We only hate shit players if they play for us.
 
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=42401.msg1204887#msg1204887 date=1287938441]
Actually, the reason we hate him is because he's a Manc and a rat-faced cunt.
[/quote]
yep, that'll be it
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42401.msg1204875#msg1204875 date=1287937901]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1204851#msg1204851 date=1287937082]
[quote author=etchy link=topic=42401.msg1204847#msg1204847 date=1287937008]
I'd pick Agger over Skrtel. Carragher did well on the right, with decent crosses. Shame about being top scorer of own goals tho!
[/quote]

The two against Man U and the one vs West Ham, Oh and Tottenham....Jesus this guy has really fucked us over sometimes.
[/quote]


he's been right at the heart of the best things this club has done for the past 20 years, so show a bit of respect ffs.
[/quote]

The problem is he clearly isn't the player he was a few seasons ago. That's not to say he's not the best CB at the club - which in itself tells a story.

A few years ago Carragher was one of the best defenders in the league. Now he's not. The fact that we "can" push him out to RB and "make do" with our other defenders would suggest that more than time is catching up with Carragher.

To get the best out of him, we need to be playing him less.

Ayala & Wilson need to be properly blooded this season.
 
We desperatly need a new centre back. The Greek has done tremendously well in the last few games, against not to mobile strikers. He'll be needed against Bolton aswell.

But we need a new CB. Carra should be a back up in the future, and not play more than 15-20 games a season in the league. With that amount he'll be fine.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42401.msg1204947#msg1204947 date=1287942363]
Martin Kelly is a CB, not a RB. Please try him
there.
[/quote]

We need him more at RB though.

If any of the youngsters are to be given a chance at CB, then Wilson has by far the most experience.

Was speaking to some Rangers fans tonight about him. Highly regarded... but not particularly pacey.
 
We have a competent set of CBs ..... but no longer even one who is absolutely outstanding. No Vidic, Carvalho or Ferdinand.

I don't think that long term (next two years) ANY of them will / should be still in our starting line-up. Agger & Skrtel should be let go next Summer and two better headers of the ball, faster and scoring CBs brought in.

No I don't know who either. I just know neither Agger nor Skrtel are good enough.
 
I am never disappointed when Kyrgiakos is included in the line-up, he's a dominant defender and does provide a goal threat. Skrtel is whole hearted if a little wild at times, he gives everything but I think Agger gives us better options.
 
I think Skrtel has been very good this season. He and Gerrard are the only players who should be proud of their work so far this year.

And Modokay when a player played a game like Carragher did in Istanbul he NEVER deserves the line 'This guy has really fucked us over at times'.
Please take that back.
 
Seeing as this season is looking like a write off, i really hope we play either one of our younger CB's alongside Carra(Skrtel, Agger, Kelly or Wilson) or two of them together. I highly doubt that the Greek will be at LFC for much longer, so i don't see the point in playing him unless we've got no other choice.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1204988#msg1204988 date=1287945588]
I think Skrtel has been very good this season. He and Gerrard are the only players who should be proud of their work so far this year.

And Modokay when a player played a game like Carragher did in Istanbul he NEVER deserves the line 'This guy has really fucked us over at times'.
Please take that back.
[/quote]


that could be about the richest thing i've ever seen on here given some of the things you've called benitez - who was also in istanbul, if i recall - over the last few months.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42401.msg1204996#msg1204996 date=1287946355]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1204988#msg1204988 date=1287945588]
I think Skrtel has been very good this season. He and Gerrard are the only players who should be proud of their work so far this year.

And Modokay when a player played a game like Carragher did in Istanbul he NEVER deserves the line 'This guy has really fucked us over at times'.
Please take that back.
[/quote]


that could be about the richest thing i've ever seen on here given some of the things you've called benitez - who was also in istanbul, if i recall - over the last few months.
[/quote]I cant even be bothered responding with any real effort to that Peter. No matter what i say about the difference between a player socks rolled down dead on his feet throwing himself into just one more last ditch challenge to keep us in a game and.........you know what fuck it, i really cant be arsed. Lets just imagine you staggered me on my heels with blinding pomposity and arrogance. Well done you.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1204988#msg1204988 date=1287945588]
I think Skrtel has been very good this season. He and Gerrard are the only players who should be proud of their work so far this year.

And Modokay when a player played a game like Carragher did in Istanbul he NEVER deserves the line 'This guy has really fucked us over at times'.
Please take that back.
[/quote]

OK I'll take it back if it makes you happy. But does his spectacular performance against Milan make him impregnable to criticism?
Can he never lose his spot in the starting line up unless he himself decides to hang up his boots?

I don't know if there's any other fans in England that are so intent on living in the past as like us.

How about all the important games Cara has cost us? Do you remember them? Probably no, because we turn a blind eye to every mistake he makes.

I'm constantly being mocked by friends, especially Chelsea and Man U fans, because as the say it "having a player like Carragher in your team".

I get the whole 100% commitment part but it doesn't mean a thing when he's costing us games and goals.

Finally we have a defender that actually is a threat during set pieces and helps us decide games and we can't fathom the fact that he's better than Carragher because...well I don't know Carra was impressive during a game five years ago.

Anyway, between 2004-2008 Carra was arguably one of the best defenders in the premiership.
Sadly he isn't any more.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1205010#msg1205010 date=1287947547]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42401.msg1204996#msg1204996 date=1287946355]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1204988#msg1204988 date=1287945588]
I think Skrtel has been very good this season. He and Gerrard are the only players who should be proud of their work so far this year.

And Modokay when a player played a game like Carragher did in Istanbul he NEVER deserves the line 'This guy has really fucked us over at times'.
Please take that back.
[/quote]


that could be about the richest thing i've ever seen on here given some of the things you've called benitez - who was also in istanbul, if i recall - over the last few months.
[/quote]I cant even be bothered responding with any real effort to that Peter. No matter what i say about the difference between a player socks rolled down dead on his feet throwing himself into just one more last ditch challenge to keep us in a game and.........you know what fuck it, i really cant be arsed. Lets just imagine you staggered me on my heels with blinding pomposity and arrogance. Well done you.
[/quote]

Nah it's just blindingly obvious that both deserve credit for Istanbul and neither should be subjected to the abuse and vitriol that goes for 'criticism' now. The media does enough of this without Liverpool fans joining in and trying to score petty points.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1205010#msg1205010 date=1287947547]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42401.msg1204996#msg1204996 date=1287946355]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1204988#msg1204988 date=1287945588]
I think Skrtel has been very good this season. He and Gerrard are the only players who should be proud of their work so far this year.

And Modokay when a player played a game like Carragher did in Istanbul he NEVER deserves the line 'This guy has really fucked us over at times'.
Please take that back.
[/quote]


that could be about the richest thing i've ever seen on here given some of the things you've called benitez - who was also in istanbul, if i recall - over the last few months.
[/quote]I cant even be bothered responding with any real effort to that Peter. No matter what i say about the difference between a player socks rolled down dead on his feet throwing himself into just one more last ditch challenge to keep us in a game and.........you know what fuck it, i really cant be arsed. Lets just imagine you staggered me on my heels with blinding pomposity and arrogance. Well done you.
[/quote]


yeah you're right! our champions league-winning manager is a cunt!

fucking mini-brain.
 
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1205015#msg1205015 date=1287947809]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1204988#msg1204988 date=1287945588]
I think Skrtel has been very good this season. He and Gerrard are the only players who should be proud of their work so far this year.

And Modokay when a player played a game like Carragher did in Istanbul he NEVER deserves the line 'This guy has really fucked us over at times'.
Please take that back.
[/quote]

OK I'll take it back if it makes you happy. But does his spectacular performance against Milan make him impregnable to criticism?
Can he never lose his spot in the starting line up unless he himself decides to hang up his boots?

I don't know if there's any other fans in England that are so intent on living in the past as like us.

How about all the important games Cara has cost us? Do you remember them? Probably no, because we turn a blind eye to every mistake he makes.

I'm constantly being mocked by friends, especially Chelsea and Man U fans, because as the say it "having a player like Carragher in your team".

I get the whole 100% commitment part but it doesn't mean a thing when he's costing us games and goals.

Finally we have a defender that actually is a threat during set pieces and helps us decide games and we can't fathom the fact that he's better than Carragher because...well I don't know Carra was impressive during a game five years ago.

Anyway, between 2004-2008 Carra was arguably one of the best defenders in the premiership.
Sadly he isn't any more.
[/quote]I dont think he's immune to critiscism mate, please dont put words in my mouth. I would probably have dropped him last season. But 'hes really fucked us over' implies intent, i dont think thats on regarding a player who so clearly would break his neck for us. Only my opinion mind you.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42401.msg1205022#msg1205022 date=1287948034]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1205010#msg1205010 date=1287947547]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42401.msg1204996#msg1204996 date=1287946355]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1204988#msg1204988 date=1287945588]
I think Skrtel has been very good this season. He and Gerrard are the only players who should be proud of their work so far this year.

And Modokay when a player played a game like Carragher did in Istanbul he NEVER deserves the line 'This guy has really fucked us over at times'.
Please take that back.
[/quote]


that could be about the richest thing i've ever seen on here given some of the things you've called benitez - who was also in istanbul, if i recall - over the last few months.
[/quote]I cant even be bothered responding with any real effort to that Peter. No matter what i say about the difference between a player socks rolled down dead on his feet throwing himself into just one more last ditch challenge to keep us in a game and.........you know what fuck it, i really cant be arsed. Lets just imagine you staggered me on my heels with blinding pomposity and arrogance. Well done you.
[/quote]


yeah you're right! our champions league-winning manager is a cunt!

fucking mini-brain.
[/quote]Fair play. Thats neither arrogant or pompous.
My kind of insult.
*offers knuckle touch*
 
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1205015#msg1205015 date=1287947809]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1204988#msg1204988 date=1287945588]
I think Skrtel has been very good this season. He and Gerrard are the only players who should be proud of their work so far this year.

And Modokay when a player played a game like Carragher did in Istanbul he NEVER deserves the line 'This guy has really fucked us over at times'.
Please take that back.
[/quote]

OK I'll take it back if it makes you happy. But does his spectacular performance against Milan make him impregnable to criticism?
Can he never lose his spot in the starting line up unless he himself decides to hang up his boots?

I don't know if there's any other fans in England that are so intent on living in the past as like us.

How about all the important games Cara has cost us? Do you remember them? Probably no, because we turn a blind eye to every mistake he makes.

I'm constantly being mocked by friends, especially Chelsea and Man U fans, because as the say it "having a player like Carragher in your team".

I get the whole 100% commitment part but it doesn't mean a thing when he's costing us games and goals.

Finally we have a defender that actually is a threat during set pieces and helps us decide games and we can't fathom the fact that he's better than Carragher because...well I don't know Carra was impressive during a game five years ago.

Anyway, between 2004-2008 Carra was arguably one of the best defenders in the premiership.
Sadly he isn't any more.
[/quote]

"All" the important games Carra has cost us could be counted on the fingers of one hand, which is good news for those doombrain Chav and Manc friends of yours who probably use their fingers to count anyway.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1205023#msg1205023 date=1287948042]
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=42401.msg1205015#msg1205015 date=1287947809]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1204988#msg1204988 date=1287945588]
I think Skrtel has been very good this season. He and Gerrard are the only players who should be proud of their work so far this year.

And Modokay when a player played a game like Carragher did in Istanbul he NEVER deserves the line 'This guy has really fucked us over at times'.
Please take that back.
[/quote]

OK I'll take it back if it makes you happy. But does his spectacular performance against Milan make him impregnable to criticism?
Can he never lose his spot in the starting line up unless he himself decides to hang up his boots?

I don't know if there's any other fans in England that are so intent on living in the past as like us.

How about all the important games Cara has cost us? Do you remember them? Probably no, because we turn a blind eye to every mistake he makes.

I'm constantly being mocked by friends, especially Chelsea and Man U fans, because as the say it "having a player like Carragher in your team".

I get the whole 100% commitment part but it doesn't mean a thing when he's costing us games and goals.

Finally we have a defender that actually is a threat during set pieces and helps us decide games and we can't fathom the fact that he's better than Carragher because...well I don't know Carra was impressive during a game five years ago.

Anyway, between 2004-2008 Carra was arguably one of the best defenders in the premiership.
Sadly he isn't any more.
[/quote]I dont think he's immune to critiscism mate, please dont put words in my mouth. I would probably have dropped him last season. But 'hes really fucked us over' implies intent, i dont think thats on regarding a player who so clearly would break his neck for us. Only my opinion mind you.
[/quote]

Maybe I got lost in translation but I didn't mean that he's intentionally hurting us. But an own goal is always an uphill struggle unless you're in the lead.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=42401.msg1204995#msg1204995 date=1287946297]
Seeing as this season is looking like a write off, i really hope we play either one of our younger CB's alongside Carra(Skrtel, Agger, Kelly or Wilson) or two of them together. I highly doubt that the Greek will be at LFC for much longer, so i don't see the point in playing him unless we've got no other choice.
[/quote]

i agree. except i would also apply the same reasoning to konchesky, rodriguez, jovanovic, and poulsen.
 
I do know what you mean Modo, but i think someone already said it best, we dont have anyone clearly better than Carragher on the books so it boils down to this (at present) would you rather have an error prone centreback who sometimes looks like they couldnt give a fuck or an error prone centre back who will give you 100% every second of every game?

The problem is not Carragher, its that he's as good as we have.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42401.msg1205035#msg1205035 date=1287948433]
arrogant nor pompous, i presume you intended to write.
[/quote]I did the best i could with my mini brain.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42401.msg1205041#msg1205041 date=1287948597]
I do know what you mean Modo, but i think someone already said it best, we dont have anyone clearly better than Carragher on the books so it boils down to this (at present) would you rather have an error prone centreback who sometimes looks like they couldnt give a fuck or an error prone centre back who will give you 100% every second of every game?

The problem is not Carragher, its that he's as good as we have.
[/quote]

I guess we have to agree to disagree here. I still think Kyrgiakos is a better option that Carragher and this season I personally haven't seen proof of anything else.
Like I've stated in other threads we need two new experienced central defenders.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42401.msg1205049#msg1205049 date=1287949326]
Pete of the hague is taking *zero* prisoners of late.

Crivvens!
[/quote]


it's the roy hodgson effect, i fear. i'm becoming dangerously unbalanced.

although i was nice to avvy with that lovely smiley post!
 
Liverpool 2 Blackburn 1 Carra og
Liverpool 2 Hull 2 Carra og
Spurs 2 Liverpool 1 Carra og
Liverpool 3 West Ham 3 (Liverpool won FA CUP 6-4 on pens) Carra og
Liverpool 2 ManU 3 Carra scores 2 og's
Liverpool 3 Spurs 2 Carra og
Spurs 2 Liverpool 1 Carra og

Sidenote Hyypia has scored 3 og's
Riise has scored 3 og's
Alonso has scored 2 og's

and Gerrard Lucas scored 1 each

Riena Westervald and David James all scored one each too, so did Bruce Grobblaar
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

rurikbird
    • Like
  • Locked
Big game blues
2
Replies
53
Views
2K
King Binny
King Binny
Beamrider
    • Like
    • Happy
  • Locked
2023 accounts
Replies
3
Views
563
darkstarexodus
darkstarexodus
rurikbird
    • Like
  • Locked
Halfway point review and ratings
2
Replies
55
Views
2K
doctor_mac
doctor_mac
Modo
  • Locked
Who is it?
Replies
15
Views
643
Dreambeliever
Dreambeliever
bluebell
  • Locked
Where are they now
Replies
22
Views
2K
tombrown
tombrown
Back
Top Bottom