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Klopp Needs To Loook At Himself

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These were the tweets alleging concern over summer and in August that the team was nearing its end.




I don't understand the need to pretend to be prescient between seasons or that anyone had foreseen this unprecedented collapse.

It's not just you Keni, it goes for all of us. By the end of summer, when we outplayed City in the Community Shield - and no one thought it was flattering to us- we were all largely excited for the season, Mane's departure notwithstanding (but as you say, there had long been talk that he was on the decline). We anticipated, if not hoped for, the exits of bit part players like Bobby, Ox and Keita, but any movement on that front was more or less as irrelevant as their continued presence in the line up.

Show me all the threads on here with all the hand wringing and fretting that in missing out on a Tchouameni or Bellingham over summer that the sky might fall in on us? That our midfield was done for after the season we had?

I don't know why this season has gone the way it had. For what it's worth, I think the blame goes first to Klopp and the coaching staff, even if I do have some sympathy that the way the season had gone was almost certainly beyond his wildest imagination.

There was plenty of talk about the decline of Henderson and Fabinho last season (and Milner for a few years). Thiago and Keita have both had their issues too, so it's definitely been talked about that we need players. People pinned their hopes on Elliott and Carvalho giving us the attacking edge we lacked in midfield, but no one really could have foreseen the entire collapse of Fabinho. He'd showed signs of decline, but many were hoping it was a form/injury thing, not many could or did envisage that he would be so fucked this season, and now Henderson is joining the rot, while Thiago has been Thiago, which is a pointless luxury when you don't have the defensive support around him.

But to suggest there weren't alarm bells is wide of the mark, at least in the sense that "we're not going to get much more from this group". The concerns have been there since we returned after winning the league and we didn't quite look the same. Last year could have been magnificent, but in the end, if anything, as we reached the end of the season it was not having the legs to finish the job that cost us, and that really just compounded everyone's worries. Yes it's a double edged thing - the same squad got us there, but you always felt like it was a bit of a "one last hurrah" for some of them. And as I've said elsewhere, there's definitely been a feeling of job done in some departments and with some players, since winning the league.
 
I think "net spend" is the thing solely used for transfers in football today. I'd imagine momo means in the grand scheme, rather than just transfers

Ha, I know what he meant but couldn't help myself.

Is net spend - as we normally calculate it - a simplistic measure? Sure it is. But then most of our "analysis" on here is simplistic.

We don't know much of what the coaches do, how the players perform in training, the physical stats or any of the rest of it. Same goes for the finances... agent fees, wages amortised over X years, capital expenditures etc etc (though Beamrider does a good job of breaking it down as much as he can from what gets published).

We do what we can, eh?


The 'dumb' net spend metric is interesting to us at this moment in time because it provides an indicator of investment in new players.
 
You got something right. LFC is a business whether you like it or not. What the fans put in is minuscule compared to what broadcasters and sponsors put in.

We spend £470 million a year. That’s not penny pinching.

And what’s the point in having a Porsche without somewhere to live?
 
You got something right. LFC is a business whether you like it or not. What the fans put in is minuscule compared to what broadcasters and sponsors put in.

We spend £470 million a year. That’s not penny pinching.

And what’s the point in having a Porsche without somewhere to live?

470m a year? Proof please.

FSG have made a big enough profit to buy 10 places to live on top of buying a Porsche (that's on the investment into the stadium alone). Like I say that's not money lost to them...nor was their thought of process being "lets do this for the fans"
 
You say total income v total spend is what needs to be looked at and then 2 minutes later say turnover adds nothing to the convo.

WTF
Net spend is shit. You don’t go oh we sold x and bought y and that is the end of it all.

You look at all our turnover and then our expenses. Which shows the club are not penny pinchers.

You screamed about looking at turnover. Then we spend it all. And you’re still not happy.
 
He just said that he wont.

I don't think he will either. It was pretty brave to tackle the Dortmund 7 year point head on, he didn't have to acknowledge it. I think he was just saying that he did what he thought was the best thing for Dortmund, in leaving. Maybe/hopefully he's saying that he won't make that mistake again?
 
470m a year? Proof please.

FSG have made a big enough profit to buy 10 places to live on top of buying a Porsche (that's on the investment into the stadium alone). Like I say that's not money lost to them...nor was their thought of process being "lets do this for the fans"
Turnover 487,365,000

from the 2021 accounts

Operating loss is £40 million.
 
He just said that he wont.

Football is a very fickle sport Hansern, people can quickly be driven out if they don't get what they want or feel like they're being undermined.

Whether we like to point it out or not, Klopp has never been sacked.....he's never left when his contract was up, meaning he's left both Mainz and BVB......he left his boyhood club after just missing out on promotion to Bundesliga and left BVB after the club cashed in on Gotze and Lewa and communication broke down with the hierachy.

I wouldn't put it past him despite what he may have said, sadly.
 
You got something right. LFC is a business whether you like it or not. What the fans put in is minuscule compared to what broadcasters and sponsors put in.

We spend £470 million a year. That’s not penny pinching.

And what’s the point in having a Porsche without somewhere to live?

Every rational fan understands that a football club is a business, that it costs money and money has been spent. Nobody is asking for multiple 100M signings.

The whole "OH BUT IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS YOU KNOW, WE'RE A BUSINESS!!!!!! FANS JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!!!" is just the yin to binomial's yang.

If that's how you see your role here, fair enough.
 
A chunk from our revenue which he then splashes on Linda and that shitty baseball team he has...handing out 330m contracts to players.

You've still not told me how you arrived to a 470m cost.
 
A chunk from our revenue which he then splashes on Linda and that shitty baseball team he has...handing out 330m contracts to players.

You've still not told me how you arrived to a 470m cost.
It’s in the accounts in the link I gave you above.
 
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I don't think he will either. It was pretty brave to tackle the Dortmund 7 year point head on, he didn't have to acknowledge it. I think he was just saying that he did what he thought was the best thing for Dortmund, in leaving. Maybe/hopefully he's saying that he won't make that mistake again?

Agreed, and I think he might actually be a bit ruthless this summer with a few squad players. Depending on our owner situation and funding obviously.
 
Club owes us far more than what they are, the club gets the support from it's fans like LFC. Fans put millions into the club every year don't gimme that bullshit we're owed fuck all.

Put 2 and 2 together, transfer spend + wages....we're not really playing with the big boys at all. Another bit of bollox there.

Open your eyes and see it from FSG's view Momo, LFC is a business project for them.....they've come and done what they achieved to do, putting money into building up
Anfield isn't for the fans....it's for their pocket.

"If my house goes up 100k I can’t just go out and buy a Porsche" Well you fucking can if you decide to sell it.

If you're gonna post a link...make sure it's not broken would you.
These days i spend more on toothpaste than i do on LFC. I am royally pissed off that Sensodyne have not invested in a stripey version like Colgate have. As a paying customer i am entitled to so much more.

And dont be giving me any crap about swapping to Colgate, i am a dyed in the wool Sensodyne fan, man and boy.
 
These days i spend more on toothpaste than i do on LFC. I am royally pissed off that Sensodyne have not invested in a stripey version like Colgate have. As a paying customer i am entitled to so much more.

And dont be giving me any crap about swapping to Colgate, i am a dyed in the wool Sensodyne fan, man and boy.

You need to work on your analogy me thinks TomBo. If you read properly you'd have seen I was referring to "us" not "me".

I.e go calculate how many millions the fans put into the club from ticket sales and merchandises.

& for what its worth you should change to Colgate, Sensodyne charge a lot for what it is.
 
You need to work on your analogy me thinks TomBo. If you read properly you'd have seen I was referring to "us" not "me".

I.e go calculate how many millions the fans put into the club from ticket sales and merchandises.

& for what its worth you should change to Colgate, Sensodyne charge a lot for what it is.
Match day and commercial income is £220m which includes all sponsors. The accounts don’t go down into merchandise amounts.

Media is £266 million.
 
A quick perusal of my Twitter timeline indicates that approximately 80% of our income from fans comes from crazy rich Arabs who stalk Salah.

So really, our true owners are just coming back to roost.
 
Match day and commercial income is £220m which includes all sponsors. The accounts don’t go down into merchandise amounts.

Media is £266 million.

Are we therefore accounting merchandise sales into commercial income?

That hardly spells and in your words "minuscule" now does it Momo?

How much are we talking for Sponsorships? 50m or so?
 
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