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Klopp Needs To Loook At Himself

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There's still time to get on twitter after the fact to crow your foreknowledge. It's all about appearing all knowing without having to be.

"When MJ and Lisa-Marie got married, I predicted it wouldn't end well, and I wasn't talking about their marriage..."
 
These were the tweets alleging concern over summer and in August that the team was nearing its end.




I don't understand the need to pretend to be prescient between seasons or that anyone had foreseen this unprecedented collapse.

It's not just you Keni, it goes for all of us. By the end of summer, when we outplayed City in the Community Shield - and no one thought it was flattering to us- we were all largely excited for the season, Mane's departure notwithstanding (but as you say, there had long been talk that he was on the decline). We anticipated, if not hoped for, the exits of bit part players like Bobby, Ox and Keita, but any movement on that front was more or less as irrelevant as their continued presence in the line up.

Show me all the threads on here with all the hand wringing and fretting that in missing out on a Tchouameni or Bellingham over summer that the sky might fall in on us? That our midfield was done for after the season we had?

I don't know why this season has gone the way it had. For what it's worth, I think the blame goes first to Klopp and the coaching staff, even if I do have some sympathy that the way the season had gone was almost certainly beyond his wildest imagination.
More than half this forum has been consistently moaning about our lack of midfield signings for at least 18 months now. I genuinely don't know what you're saying.
 
If it helps, I'm saying most of you were content with the pace of rebuilding, if not even optimistic about our transfers.

But if you want to keep up the pretence, I'll be obliged if you presented the cache of posts from the summer or from however long in the past if you want, foretelling our imminent collapse this season.
 
I remember me and a few being vocal in the summer how we needed a midfielder, and how we were losing 3 proven goalscorers and only bringing in 2 (1 proven in a weaker league and 1 attacking mid/winger, who wasn't a consistent goalscorer)

People predicted the decline, albeit not this level
 
Yes, and my posts were always directed at that "end of the team" spiel people are only now conveniently saying it was always apparent to them.
 
Pretence? I'm genuinely baffled by your choice of words. It's like you post on another forum altogether. This is SCM, literally the most negative LFC forum on the internet - probably the one reason most of us are choose to be here anyway - it's refreshingly honest.

The forum has been absolutely littered with threads about how FSG are penny pinchers and how this team has been deteriorating fast, and that FSG has spent next to nothing to take advantage of Klopp's extension.

Here are some examples of threads from the last 2 years.

http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/something-strange-afoot.161254/

http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/klopp-calling-out-fsg.190240/

http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/the-deadwood-chronicles.174336/

You could go to any of the giant summer transfer threads over the last 2 years, and all you'll find is people moaning.

In any case, this isn't really a discussion worth having. What is the larger point you're trying to make? To what exactly do you attribute our decline?
 
We’ve spent £150 million on left sided forwards in 12 months but we’re penny pinchers?
 
It’s one of those phrases people use without actually looking at the numbers. Those who throw it about are pissed off that FSG don’t just lash £300 million into the club every transfer window
 
Pretence? I'm genuinely baffled by your choice of words. It's like you post on another forum altogether. This is SCM, literally the most negative LFC forum on the internet - probably the one reason most of us are choose to be here anyway - it's refreshingly honest.

The forum has been absolutely littered with threads about how FSG are penny pinchers and how this team has been deteriorating fast, and that FSG has spent next to nothing to take advantage of Klopp's extension.

Here are some examples of threads from the last 2 years.

http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/something-strange-afoot.161254/

http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/klopp-calling-out-fsg.190240/

http://www.sixcrazyminutes.com/threads/the-deadwood-chronicles.174336/

You could go to any of the giant summer transfer threads over the last 2 years, and all you'll find is people moaning.

In any case, this isn't really a discussion worth having. What is the larger point you're trying to make? To what exactly do you attribute our decline?

There have been, are, and will always be moaners about our transfer activity. That's not quite the same as predicting our absolutely rapid decline this season. They just want their new shiny toys.

If we were all hand wringing and fretting about our terminal decline over the summer, we sure had odd ways of expressing them. Here's a short selection:

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how-would-you-rate-this-seasons-transfers-out-of-10.188492

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I'm more than happy to concede I have no idea why we've plummeted this season, nor did I remotely expect it. But here's a question for you: besides padding egos, to what end goes crowing about predicting our decline if you (the nominal poster) are not a journalist or tweeter merely trying to get clicks?
 
£150 million spent on Nunez, Diaz, Gakpo and Carvalho. Penny pinchers indeed.
Just look at our net spending compared to the other big 6?

We're bottom.

This is a fanbase that has entitlement to always be at the top....how can we do that when Klopp's runs out of miracles.
 
Entitlement? What entitles us to anything?

Net spend is a fallacy too. What’s our wage bill? Top 3? Total spends? Right up there? New Kirkby facility. Mass improvement to Anfield.

Penny pinchers indeed.
 
Net spend is not a fallacy. It isn't the whole story, but it's no fallacy. Without a team on the pitch worthy of those other improvements, they lose some of their value.
 
Total income vs total spend. That’s what we should look at. Net spend is just as shit as xG.
 
Entitlement? What entitles us to anything?

Net spend is a fallacy too. What’s our wage bill? Top 3? Total spends? Right up there? New Kirkby facility. Mass improvement to Anfield.

Penny pinchers indeed.

What entitles us to anything? Us being the most decorated club in England maybe.....

Current wage bill is 4th in the league way behind Utd and a bit behind Chelsea and City.

Ok new training ground cost 50m and Anfield redevelopment costing 200m which they had to take out loans from...let's not forget this 200m adds onto the value of the club which they'll end up selling for billions of profit so that's not exactly money lost.

Now go tell me how much this club turns over.
 
What entitles us to anything? Us being the most decorated club in England maybe.....

Current wage bill is 4th in the league way behind Utd and a bit behind Chelsea and City.

Ok new training ground cost 50m and Anfield redevelopment costing 200m which they had to take out loans from...let's not forget this 200m adds onto the value of the club which they'll end up selling for billions of profit so that's not exactly money lost.

Now go tell me how much this club turns over.
Nobody is entitled to anything. Nothing. The club owes you the square root of fuck all.

So the club are playing with the big boys in terms of wages.

Loans aren’t free money and needs to be paid back.

Increasing value does not equate to money being available. If my house goes up 100k I can’t just go out and buy a Porsche.

Turnover adds nothing to the conversation if you’re spending it all. Go look at the accounts.

https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/...9c7aa43b1707cc0dac4c16575337f9dedb981c43ae1bb
 
Club owes us far more than what they are, the club gets the support from it's fans like LFC. Fans put millions into the club every year don't gimme that bullshit we're owed fuck all.

Put 2 and 2 together, transfer spend + wages....we're not really playing with the big boys at all. Another bit of bollox there.

Open your eyes and see it from FSG's view Momo, LFC is a business project for them.....they've come and done what they achieved to do, putting money into building up
Anfield isn't for the fans....it's for their pocket.

"If my house goes up 100k I can’t just go out and buy a Porsche" Well you fucking can if you decide to sell it.

If you're gonna post a link...make sure it's not broken would you.
 
Klopp with some brutally honest words about not quitting and that changes are coming to the club. Good to see and at least gives some hope for next season.

He says changes need to happen, not that changes are coming.

The guy will walk in less than 6 months if he's not backed.
 
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