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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42545.msg1228161#msg1228161 date=1291366833]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42545.msg1228159#msg1228159 date=1291366059]
But he's a great player, no doubt about that.
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He has done literally nothing during his career that could put him in any sort of "great" classification.
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He's shown glimpses of it, he's definitely always been a bit of a maverick though.
 
We could really do with a fit,on-form cole this season.

He's a very expensive paper weight on and off the pitch at the moment.

He looked rusty lastnight from a month off, hopefully a weekend training'll have him good for villa on monday
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42545.msg1228161#msg1228161 date=1291366833]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42545.msg1228159#msg1228159 date=1291366059]
But he's a great player, no doubt about that.
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He has done literally nothing during his career that could put him in any sort of "great" classification.
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Ok
 
Well, we've been starved of good news for too long, and the signing WAS good news - a very good player, also wanted by other big clubs, who chose to come to us. It's been a difficult start for Joey Cole, but to some extent it would have been for anybody coming to the club at such a time. He's shown too much quality too often in the past - not least against us - for me to lose faith in him this quickly, and I back him to come good.
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=42545.msg1228097#msg1228097 date=1291331324]
His "oh for fuck's sake" when he weas taken off suggests he isn't all that happy.
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To be fair, I consider it to be only a good thing when a player isn't happy when they get the curly finger.
 
Liverpool midfielder Joe Cole has rejected claims that he is struggling for confidence and believes a regular run in the side will help him find his best form.

Reds boss Roy Hodgson suggested earlier this week the summer signing from Chelsea was struggling for confidence after a difficult start to his Anfield career.

Cole has failed to hit the heights since his much-publicised move to Anfield due to a combination of form and fitness.

The 29-year-old made his comeback against Steaua Bucharest on Thursday after five weeks out with a hamstring problem and Cole has dismissed concerns about his state of mind, believing that a consistent run of games will soon bring the best out of him.

"No, not at all," was his response when asked whether his confidence had taken a knock.

"I am happy with everything at Liverpool, I just have to stay fit and keep playing well.

"No footballer likes being injured, it is a pain, but you have to keep going and keep working hard.

"I got through 75 minutes last night having only trained once so I'm happy with the way things have gone.

"It was nice to come back and be out there. I just need to kick on and keep myself fit, that is the main thing.

"If I can do that and get games I'll be very happy as I'll be able to stay on the pitch and help the team to win something."
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42545.msg1228318#msg1228318 date=1291389017]
Will Roy come out and apologize now that another player has rejected his claims?
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What's that phrase about things coming in threes? Benitez, Johnson and now...?

That said, wouldn't have expected Joe Cole to answered a clear cut yes to a question on whether he's lacking in confidence either.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42545.msg1228318#msg1228318 date=1291389017]
Will Roy come out and apologize now that another player has rejected his claims?
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Will Joe Cole now start playing a bit better too ?
 
Joe Cole insisted last night he’s back and gunning for a top-four finish.

The Liverpool midfielder made his first start in five weeks in Bucharest on Thursday and is confident enough in his own form and that of his team to set an ambitious target for the rest of the season.

After helping Liverpool reach the knock-out phase of the Europa League with a game to spare, he predicted they can not only achieve their Premier League goal, but also bring home a European trophy.

“I’m happy with how things are going and I still think top four is a realistic target,†Cole insisted.

“It would be outstanding for the club, considering where we are. We have got a new manager, new owners, new staff behind the scenes. There has been a big turnover. The top four is realistic and it would be a great achievement to do that.

“But the Europa League is very important to us too. We have two realistic chances of winning silverware. This is one of them.â€
 
His level of performance may be open to criticism, but his attitude has been spot on from the beginning. That's one big reason why I still believe he'll come good.
 
Joe Cole thrives in a position which no longer exists?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rorysmith/100014250/joe-cole-liverpools-man-with-no-number/

It would have been easy to scoff at the national newspaper which, upon hearing the news that Liverpool had secured Joe Cole’s scrawl on a piece of headed note paper with rather a lot of zeros on it, immediately drew up the headline “Come in No. 7?. Easy, but erroneous. There were, as Cole agreed terms on his four-year, £90,000-a-week contract, plenty of people around Anfield suggesting that would be the case.

They were wrong, of course. Though it would have been somewhat more pragmatic to take the number seven shirt, Cole elected to negotiate with another new signing, Milan Jovanovic, for the rights to wear number 10. The Serb, a curious mix of feverish intensity and good-natured jollity, acquiesced to Cole’s wishes, plumped for the number 14 and graciously allowed the England international to fill the shirt he wore at Chelsea.

The obvious conclusion to draw was that the mythology of Liverpool’s number seven, the weight of history incumbent upon that jersey, the ghosts of Keegan and Dalglish that haunt its shoulders, was too much for Cole, hardly the brashest soul, to bear. The Anfield club have not formally retired it, as AC Milan have done with the numbers 3 and 6 or Cagliari the number 11, but the sense is that they may as well do. Only Peter Beardsley and Steve McManaman, of those players that followed Dalglish, have added to its mystique at all; Paul Walsh, Harry Kewell, Vladimir Smicer and, most recently, Robbie Keane, did not prove suitable heirs.

But for all that Cole’s decision spoke volumes about the legacy attendant to that number, it also offered an insight into Cole’s self-perception. He sees himself as a number 10. He wore 10 at Chelsea. His strongest position, in his own mind, is that which the number 10 traditionally occupies, the trequartista role behind one or two strikers. The problem he has is that no such position exists in the English view of football.

Like every team, every country places prestige on different numbers. In England, the number nine is prized. The subconscious hierarchy of teams is that the number nine comes first, the talisman, and all else is constructed around it. In Argentina, the number five is of paramount importance, borne by the midfield caudillo. In Germany, too, five is iconic, a legacy of Franz Beckenbauer and the libero system, though the number six, worn by Matthias Sammer, comes close.

But the number 10 is different. In South America, in Latin Europe, the number 10 is something separate, a concept apart. It is worn by the individual, the man who stands apart from the collective. The team exists, packed with destroyers and defenders and water carriers and wingers, and in the middle of the orchestra stands the conductor, the soloist. Little wonder the list of famous number 10s is longer than that of any other shirt.

In England, though, the tradition of 4-4-2 dictates that the number 10 is, well, just another striker, yet another support act for the number nine. Even the 4-5-1 that has now become the de facto formation for most teams relies on two advanced wingers, making the number 10 just another midfielder. Most players who wear that shirt fit one of those two criteria. Even the best of them – Wayne Rooney, Robin van Persie – do not play to different rules to the rest of their colleagues. They are creative, technically superb and, at times, visionary. They do not conduct, they do not define tempo, though. They are just another instrument.

Cole is different. He is cast in the mould of Stan Bowles and Rodney Marsh, legitimate number 10s, fantasistas of the most inspiring and infuriating degree. It is a trait that explains why fans tend to be so keen to see him play – he is seen to furnish a team with magic – but why so many managers have found it so easy to dispense with his services. Guus Hiddink, Fabio Capello, Jose Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti have all judged him an unnecessary luxury. He is not trusted in the centre, in that withdrawn role, not because of a lack of ability but because that position does not exist in the Premier League, or at least does not exist in the form which Cole requires. Shove him out to the left, then. He can do as much good there.

Whether Roy Hodgson will come to the same conclusion is open to debate. It does not bode well that Cole may find his place taken against Aston Villa tonight by Maxi Rodriguez, a man from a country with a number 10 tradition but with exactly the same problem at club level: Steven Gerrard, a number eight if ever there was one, fills the space where Maxi wishes to play, so he is stationed wide and charged with adapting. The collective always triumphs over the individual. There is only wilderness for the men with no number.
 
JOE COLE will quit Liverpool if he can't reignite his career before the end of the season.

The midfielder is already agonising over his summer move to Anfield after struggling to find his form. And although he's prepared to fight on for a while, the former West Ham and Chelsea star fears his spell at the club is destined to be brief.

The former England international, 29, is determined to fight on for the next few months rather than jump ship in January despite a stinging assessment from Hodgson in midweek.

But unless there is a vast improvement, the Merseysiders will hope they can raise about £5m from his sale to cover the wages they will have splashed out on him.
 
JC has been disappointing since his arrival. I wouldn't be averse to moving him on with some of the other players like Babel and Jova. I'd consider bids for Torres,Kuyt,Agger and Skrtel too.

None of them has set the Premiership alight this season and for some reason Torres is nowhere near the kind of player that we know he is.

If the players aren't doing the business and helping us get back into the Top 4 then there's no point in keeping them.

Its all too easy to blame Roy all the time but the players need to stand up and be counted.
 
We'd get peanuts for Joe Cole though. It'd be barely worthwhile, plus there'd always be a risk of him clicking at whichever club bought him and coming back to bite us on the @rse, which he did more than once for Chavski. IMO we have to give him (a) the rest of this season at least and (b) a run of games in which to try and establish himself. Roy keeping his mouth firmly shut and not giving daft interviews on the subject would also help.
 
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