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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051157#msg1051157 date=1265624595]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051154#msg1051154 date=1265624205]
How many players are there that deliver 20 assists a season? And when playing with Torres Dirk does rack up a good number of assists.
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I seriously don't want people to get the impression I don't like kuyt, kuyt is a good player there is no arguement there. kuyt was is the ideal person to play in front of johnson, a fullback capable of getting a sea of assists. no, my problem is with him playing his way back into form on the pitch, so in essense I have no problem with kuyt at all my problem is with rafa for playing him during those slumps.
also ryan said kuyt has a good first touch, er, no he doesn't.
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Dirk does have occasional good first touch. consistency is what he lacks. One very good touch was when he pull down a 50 yard cross field pass at the edge of the box. Unfortunately it was Babel (I think who was in support) who could not make much out of it.
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051154#msg1051154 date=1265624205]
How many players are there that deliver 20 assists a season? And when playing with Torres Dirk does rack up a good number of assists.
[/quote]
I seriously don't want people to get the impression I don't like kuyt, kuyt is a good player there is no arguement there. kuyt was is the ideal person to play in front of johnson, a fullback capable of getting a sea of assists. no, my problem is with him playing his way back into form on the pitch, so in essense I have no problem with kuyt at all my problem is with rafa for playing him during those slumps.
also ryan said kuyt has a good first touch, er, no he doesn't.
[/quote]
Dirk does have occasional good first touch. consistency is what he lacks. One very good touch was when he pull down a 50 yard cross field pass at the edge of the box. Unfortunately it was Babel (I think who was in support) who could not make much out of it.
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051163#msg1051163 date=1265624897]
*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
[/quote]
how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
[/quote]
how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38822.msg1051165#msg1051165 date=1265625037]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051157#msg1051157 date=1265624595]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051154#msg1051154 date=1265624205]
How many players are there that deliver 20 assists a season? And when playing with Torres Dirk does rack up a good number of assists.
[/quote]
I seriously don't want people to get the impression I don't like kuyt, kuyt is a good player there is no arguement there. kuyt was is the ideal person to play in front of johnson, a fullback capable of getting a sea of assists. no, my problem is with him playing his way back into form on the pitch, so in essense I have no problem with kuyt at all my problem is with rafa for playing him during those slumps.
also ryan said kuyt has a good first touch, er, no he doesn't.
[/quote]
Dirk does have occasional good first touch. consistency is what he lacks. One very good touch was when he pull down a 50 yard cross field pass at the edge of the box. Unfortunately it was Babel (I think who was in support) who could not make much out of it.
[/quote]
I think people are better served praising the attributes he has rather than defending the attributes he doesn't have. kuyt having a poor first touch isn't the end of the world especially when he makes up for it in other areas.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051157#msg1051157 date=1265624595]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051154#msg1051154 date=1265624205]
How many players are there that deliver 20 assists a season? And when playing with Torres Dirk does rack up a good number of assists.
[/quote]
I seriously don't want people to get the impression I don't like kuyt, kuyt is a good player there is no arguement there. kuyt was is the ideal person to play in front of johnson, a fullback capable of getting a sea of assists. no, my problem is with him playing his way back into form on the pitch, so in essense I have no problem with kuyt at all my problem is with rafa for playing him during those slumps.
also ryan said kuyt has a good first touch, er, no he doesn't.
[/quote]
Dirk does have occasional good first touch. consistency is what he lacks. One very good touch was when he pull down a 50 yard cross field pass at the edge of the box. Unfortunately it was Babel (I think who was in support) who could not make much out of it.
[/quote]
I think people are better served praising the attributes he has rather than defending the attributes he doesn't have. kuyt having a poor first touch isn't the end of the world especially when he makes up for it in other areas.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051157#msg1051157 date=1265624595]
also ryan said kuyt has a good first touch, er, no he doesn't.
[/quote]
When we bought Dirk Kuyt from Feyenoord, the opinion of the Feyenoord fans was that he is a great player, but mentioned as an afterthought that his first touch was crap.
Dirk's first touch is crap, and I would question whether his advocates like Brendan have never groaned when a pass to Dirk on the right has gone out for a throw-in. However, no player is perfect in every respect and I think Dirk's work rate, commitment to the club and big heart compensate for his deficiencies.
also ryan said kuyt has a good first touch, er, no he doesn't.
[/quote]
When we bought Dirk Kuyt from Feyenoord, the opinion of the Feyenoord fans was that he is a great player, but mentioned as an afterthought that his first touch was crap.
Dirk's first touch is crap, and I would question whether his advocates like Brendan have never groaned when a pass to Dirk on the right has gone out for a throw-in. However, no player is perfect in every respect and I think Dirk's work rate, commitment to the club and big heart compensate for his deficiencies.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051166#msg1051166 date=1265625074]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051163#msg1051163 date=1265624897]
*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
[/quote]
how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
[/quote]
I'm not about to get into a *debate* with you about it because you're going to talk absolute tripe and life holds greater things for me to idle my time with.
*fondles belly button fluff*
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051163#msg1051163 date=1265624897]
*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
[/quote]
how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
[/quote]
I'm not about to get into a *debate* with you about it because you're going to talk absolute tripe and life holds greater things for me to idle my time with.
*fondles belly button fluff*
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051168#msg1051168 date=1265625178]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38822.msg1051165#msg1051165 date=1265625037]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051157#msg1051157 date=1265624595]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051154#msg1051154 date=1265624205]
How many players are there that deliver 20 assists a season? And when playing with Torres Dirk does rack up a good number of assists.
[/quote]
I seriously don't want people to get the impression I don't like kuyt, kuyt is a good player there is no arguement there. kuyt was is the ideal person to play in front of johnson, a fullback capable of getting a sea of assists. no, my problem is with him playing his way back into form on the pitch, so in essense I have no problem with kuyt at all my problem is with rafa for playing him during those slumps.
also ryan said kuyt has a good first touch, er, no he doesn't.
[/quote]
Dirk does have occasional good first touch. consistency is what he lacks. One very good touch was when he pull down a 50 yard cross field pass at the edge of the box. Unfortunately it was Babel (I think who was in support) who could not make much out of it.
[/quote]
I think people are better served praising the attributes he has rather than defending the attributes he doesn't have. kuyt having a poor first touch isn't the end of the world especially when he makes up for it in other areas.
[/quote]
Fair point. I suppose when he did pull one very good first touch I noticed it. It must have been his consistent poor first touches that made that occasional good ones stand out.
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38822.msg1051165#msg1051165 date=1265625037]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051157#msg1051157 date=1265624595]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051154#msg1051154 date=1265624205]
How many players are there that deliver 20 assists a season? And when playing with Torres Dirk does rack up a good number of assists.
[/quote]
I seriously don't want people to get the impression I don't like kuyt, kuyt is a good player there is no arguement there. kuyt was is the ideal person to play in front of johnson, a fullback capable of getting a sea of assists. no, my problem is with him playing his way back into form on the pitch, so in essense I have no problem with kuyt at all my problem is with rafa for playing him during those slumps.
also ryan said kuyt has a good first touch, er, no he doesn't.
[/quote]
Dirk does have occasional good first touch. consistency is what he lacks. One very good touch was when he pull down a 50 yard cross field pass at the edge of the box. Unfortunately it was Babel (I think who was in support) who could not make much out of it.
[/quote]
I think people are better served praising the attributes he has rather than defending the attributes he doesn't have. kuyt having a poor first touch isn't the end of the world especially when he makes up for it in other areas.
[/quote]
Fair point. I suppose when he did pull one very good first touch I noticed it. It must have been his consistent poor first touches that made that occasional good ones stand out.
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051171#msg1051171 date=1265625302]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051166#msg1051166 date=1265625074]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051163#msg1051163 date=1265624897]
*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
[/quote]
how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
[/quote]
I'm not about to get into a *debate* with you about it because you're going to talk absolute tripe and life holds greater things for me to idle my time with.
*fondles belly button fluff*
[/quote]
if you are a lucas or a insua fan then more power to you you are of course entitled to your opinion. I personally don't think they are liverpool quality but rafa obviously have a lot of faith in both of them so I wish them the very best of luck after all their misfortune is liverpool's misfortune.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051166#msg1051166 date=1265625074]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051163#msg1051163 date=1265624897]
*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
[/quote]
how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
[/quote]
I'm not about to get into a *debate* with you about it because you're going to talk absolute tripe and life holds greater things for me to idle my time with.
*fondles belly button fluff*
[/quote]
if you are a lucas or a insua fan then more power to you you are of course entitled to your opinion. I personally don't think they are liverpool quality but rafa obviously have a lot of faith in both of them so I wish them the very best of luck after all their misfortune is liverpool's misfortune.
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38822.msg1051174#msg1051174 date=1265625542]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051168#msg1051168 date=1265625178]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38822.msg1051165#msg1051165 date=1265625037]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051157#msg1051157 date=1265624595]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051154#msg1051154 date=1265624205]
How many players are there that deliver 20 assists a season? And when playing with Torres Dirk does rack up a good number of assists.
[/quote]
I seriously don't want people to get the impression I don't like kuyt, kuyt is a good player there is no arguement there. kuyt was is the ideal person to play in front of johnson, a fullback capable of getting a sea of assists. no, my problem is with him playing his way back into form on the pitch, so in essense I have no problem with kuyt at all my problem is with rafa for playing him during those slumps.
also ryan said kuyt has a good first touch, er, no he doesn't.
[/quote]
Dirk does have occasional good first touch. consistency is what he lacks. One very good touch was when he pull down a 50 yard cross field pass at the edge of the box. Unfortunately it was Babel (I think who was in support) who could not make much out of it.
[/quote]
I think people are better served praising the attributes he has rather than defending the attributes he doesn't have. kuyt having a poor first touch isn't the end of the world especially when he makes up for it in other areas.
[/quote]
Fair point. I suppose when he did pull one very good first touch I noticed it. It must have been his consistent poor first touches that made that occasional good ones stand out.
[/quote]
I think a big reason rafa moved kuyt into a wide position is because out wide his poor first touch wont be exposed where as if you play through the middle if you don't control and shield the ball first time a defender will nick it off your toe before you can blink
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051168#msg1051168 date=1265625178]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38822.msg1051165#msg1051165 date=1265625037]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051157#msg1051157 date=1265624595]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051154#msg1051154 date=1265624205]
How many players are there that deliver 20 assists a season? And when playing with Torres Dirk does rack up a good number of assists.
[/quote]
I seriously don't want people to get the impression I don't like kuyt, kuyt is a good player there is no arguement there. kuyt was is the ideal person to play in front of johnson, a fullback capable of getting a sea of assists. no, my problem is with him playing his way back into form on the pitch, so in essense I have no problem with kuyt at all my problem is with rafa for playing him during those slumps.
also ryan said kuyt has a good first touch, er, no he doesn't.
[/quote]
Dirk does have occasional good first touch. consistency is what he lacks. One very good touch was when he pull down a 50 yard cross field pass at the edge of the box. Unfortunately it was Babel (I think who was in support) who could not make much out of it.
[/quote]
I think people are better served praising the attributes he has rather than defending the attributes he doesn't have. kuyt having a poor first touch isn't the end of the world especially when he makes up for it in other areas.
[/quote]
Fair point. I suppose when he did pull one very good first touch I noticed it. It must have been his consistent poor first touches that made that occasional good ones stand out.
[/quote]
I think a big reason rafa moved kuyt into a wide position is because out wide his poor first touch wont be exposed where as if you play through the middle if you don't control and shield the ball first time a defender will nick it off your toe before you can blink
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=38822.msg1051178#msg1051178 date=1265625775]
That's got nothing to do with your original comment though Neil, you said he's getting worse, which he clearly isn't. Whether you think he's Liverpool quality is irrelevant to what themn was taking issue with.
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It would be *impossible* for him to get worse.
That's got nothing to do with your original comment though Neil, you said he's getting worse, which he clearly isn't. Whether you think he's Liverpool quality is irrelevant to what themn was taking issue with.
[/quote]
It would be *impossible* for him to get worse.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051176#msg1051176 date=1265625615]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051171#msg1051171 date=1265625302]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051166#msg1051166 date=1265625074]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051163#msg1051163 date=1265624897]
*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
[/quote]
how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
[/quote]
I'm not about to get into a *debate* with you about it because you're going to talk absolute tripe and life holds greater things for me to idle my time with.
*fondles belly button fluff*
[/quote]
if you are a lucas or a insua fan then more power to you you are of course entitled to your opinion. I personally don't think they are liverpool quality but rafa obviously have a lot of faith in both of them so I wish them the very best of luck after all their misfortune is liverpool's misfortune.
[/quote]
Jesus.
That isn't what I said.
Whether or not I'm a Lucas or Insua fan or, indeed, believe either to be of sufficient quality to grace our first team is not the argument.
You said that Lucas was getting worse.
I said he wasn't.
Now, to paraphrase the Talking Heads film title;
Stop Talking Bollocks.
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051171#msg1051171 date=1265625302]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051166#msg1051166 date=1265625074]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051163#msg1051163 date=1265624897]
*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
[/quote]
how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
[/quote]
I'm not about to get into a *debate* with you about it because you're going to talk absolute tripe and life holds greater things for me to idle my time with.
*fondles belly button fluff*
[/quote]
if you are a lucas or a insua fan then more power to you you are of course entitled to your opinion. I personally don't think they are liverpool quality but rafa obviously have a lot of faith in both of them so I wish them the very best of luck after all their misfortune is liverpool's misfortune.
[/quote]
Jesus.
That isn't what I said.
Whether or not I'm a Lucas or Insua fan or, indeed, believe either to be of sufficient quality to grace our first team is not the argument.
You said that Lucas was getting worse.
I said he wasn't.
Now, to paraphrase the Talking Heads film title;
Stop Talking Bollocks.
I like Dirk Kuyt and think he is a top player his qualities are extraordinary and he should be played for them. Other people may think otherwise but personally i am a fan.
Lucas is not getting worse.
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051182#msg1051182 date=1265625981]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051176#msg1051176 date=1265625615]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051171#msg1051171 date=1265625302]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051166#msg1051166 date=1265625074]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051163#msg1051163 date=1265624897]
*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
[/quote]
how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
[/quote]
I'm not about to get into a *debate* with you about it because you're going to talk absolute tripe and life holds greater things for me to idle my time with.
*fondles belly button fluff*
[/quote]
if you are a lucas or a insua fan then more power to you you are of course entitled to your opinion. I personally don't think they are liverpool quality but rafa obviously have a lot of faith in both of them so I wish them the very best of luck after all their misfortune is liverpool's misfortune.
[/quote]
Jesus.
That isn't what I said.
Whether or not I'm a Lucas or Insua fan or, indeed, believe either to be of sufficient quality to grace our first team is not the argument.
You said that Lucas was getting worse.
I said he wasn't.
Now, to paraphrase the Talking Heads film title;
Stop Talking Bollocks.
[/quote]
okay, with lucas and masher both of their passing seems to be getting more erratic and with insua he seems to getting dragged out of position more easily. I seem to remember lucas making more runs into the box in his first season (for instance his everton strike that neville stops with his hand) he hardly makes those runs anymore.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051176#msg1051176 date=1265625615]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051171#msg1051171 date=1265625302]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051166#msg1051166 date=1265625074]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051163#msg1051163 date=1265624897]
*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
[/quote]
how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
[/quote]
I'm not about to get into a *debate* with you about it because you're going to talk absolute tripe and life holds greater things for me to idle my time with.
*fondles belly button fluff*
[/quote]
if you are a lucas or a insua fan then more power to you you are of course entitled to your opinion. I personally don't think they are liverpool quality but rafa obviously have a lot of faith in both of them so I wish them the very best of luck after all their misfortune is liverpool's misfortune.
[/quote]
Jesus.
That isn't what I said.
Whether or not I'm a Lucas or Insua fan or, indeed, believe either to be of sufficient quality to grace our first team is not the argument.
You said that Lucas was getting worse.
I said he wasn't.
Now, to paraphrase the Talking Heads film title;
Stop Talking Bollocks.
[/quote]
okay, with lucas and masher both of their passing seems to be getting more erratic and with insua he seems to getting dragged out of position more easily. I seem to remember lucas making more runs into the box in his first season (for instance his everton strike that neville stops with his hand) he hardly makes those runs anymore.
Apart from the three or so times on saturday
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051195#msg1051195 date=1265627948]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051182#msg1051182 date=1265625981]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051176#msg1051176 date=1265625615]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051171#msg1051171 date=1265625302]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051166#msg1051166 date=1265625074]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051163#msg1051163 date=1265624897]
*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
[/quote]
how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
[/quote]
I'm not about to get into a *debate* with you about it because you're going to talk absolute tripe and life holds greater things for me to idle my time with.
*fondles belly button fluff*
[/quote]
if you are a lucas or a insua fan then more power to you you are of course entitled to your opinion. I personally don't think they are liverpool quality but rafa obviously have a lot of faith in both of them so I wish them the very best of luck after all their misfortune is liverpool's misfortune.
[/quote]
Jesus.
That isn't what I said.
Whether or not I'm a Lucas or Insua fan or, indeed, believe either to be of sufficient quality to grace our first team is not the argument.
You said that Lucas was getting worse.
I said he wasn't.
Now, to paraphrase the Talking Heads film title;
Stop Talking Bollocks.
[/quote]
okay, with lucas and masher both of their passing seems to be getting more erratic and with insua he seems to getting dragged out of position more easily. I seem to remember lucas making more runs into the box in his first season (for instance his everton strike that neville stops with his hand) he hardly makes those runs anymore.
[/quote]
Oh, so Mascherano's in your little fantasy world now as well, is he ?
Please stop.
Please.
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051182#msg1051182 date=1265625981]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051176#msg1051176 date=1265625615]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051171#msg1051171 date=1265625302]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051166#msg1051166 date=1265625074]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1051163#msg1051163 date=1265624897]
*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
[/quote]
how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
[/quote]
I'm not about to get into a *debate* with you about it because you're going to talk absolute tripe and life holds greater things for me to idle my time with.
*fondles belly button fluff*
[/quote]
if you are a lucas or a insua fan then more power to you you are of course entitled to your opinion. I personally don't think they are liverpool quality but rafa obviously have a lot of faith in both of them so I wish them the very best of luck after all their misfortune is liverpool's misfortune.
[/quote]
Jesus.
That isn't what I said.
Whether or not I'm a Lucas or Insua fan or, indeed, believe either to be of sufficient quality to grace our first team is not the argument.
You said that Lucas was getting worse.
I said he wasn't.
Now, to paraphrase the Talking Heads film title;
Stop Talking Bollocks.
[/quote]
okay, with lucas and masher both of their passing seems to be getting more erratic and with insua he seems to getting dragged out of position more easily. I seem to remember lucas making more runs into the box in his first season (for instance his everton strike that neville stops with his hand) he hardly makes those runs anymore.
[/quote]
Oh, so Mascherano's in your little fantasy world now as well, is he ?
Please stop.
Please.
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*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
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how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
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I'm not about to get into a *debate* with you about it because you're going to talk absolute tripe and life holds greater things for me to idle my time with.
*fondles belly button fluff*
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if you are a lucas or a insua fan then more power to you you are of course entitled to your opinion. I personally don't think they are liverpool quality but rafa obviously have a lot of faith in both of them so I wish them the very best of luck after all their misfortune is liverpool's misfortune.
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Jesus.
That isn't what I said.
Whether or not I'm a Lucas or Insua fan or, indeed, believe either to be of sufficient quality to grace our first team is not the argument.
You said that Lucas was getting worse.
I said he wasn't.
Now, to paraphrase the Talking Heads film title;
Stop Talking Bollocks.
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okay, with lucas and masher both of their passing seems to be getting more erratic and with insua he seems to getting dragged out of position more easily. I seem to remember lucas making more runs into the box in his first season (for instance his everton strike that neville stops with his hand) he hardly makes those runs anymore.
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Oh, so Mascherano's in your little fantasy world now as well, is he ?
Please stop.
Please.
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masher is in my fantasy world? what?
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*sigh*
Lucas is not "getting worse".
That simply is not true.
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how is getting better? is he becoming more of an influence in the game (despite mash being the out and out holding midfielder). insua and lucas are getting worse and thinking about what the slick one touch passing of arsenal will do to the pair of them is giving me nightmares.
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I'm not about to get into a *debate* with you about it because you're going to talk absolute tripe and life holds greater things for me to idle my time with.
*fondles belly button fluff*
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if you are a lucas or a insua fan then more power to you you are of course entitled to your opinion. I personally don't think they are liverpool quality but rafa obviously have a lot of faith in both of them so I wish them the very best of luck after all their misfortune is liverpool's misfortune.
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Jesus.
That isn't what I said.
Whether or not I'm a Lucas or Insua fan or, indeed, believe either to be of sufficient quality to grace our first team is not the argument.
You said that Lucas was getting worse.
I said he wasn't.
Now, to paraphrase the Talking Heads film title;
Stop Talking Bollocks.
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okay, with lucas and masher both of their passing seems to be getting more erratic and with insua he seems to getting dragged out of position more easily. I seem to remember lucas making more runs into the box in his first season (for instance his everton strike that neville stops with his hand) he hardly makes those runs anymore.
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Oh, so Mascherano's in your little fantasy world now as well, is he ?
Please stop.
Please.
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masher is in my fantasy world? what?
Lucas played really well on satdy.... worse?? must have been watching a different game, still i dont rate the lad either so.... Insua does get in some good crosses also but he still needs to learn his position yet I feel.
He was absolutely dreadful until Cristmas and a lot better since then.
Mainly because he's played in a more attacking role.
And with a partner up front.
He's not good enough to play as a lone striker or at RW.
He should play up front with Aquilani behind him against Arsenal
Mainly because he's played in a more attacking role.
And with a partner up front.
He's not good enough to play as a lone striker or at RW.
He should play up front with Aquilani behind him against Arsenal
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How many players are there that deliver 20 assists a season? And when playing with Torres Dirk does rack up a good number of assists.
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I seriously don't want people to get the impression I don't like kuyt, kuyt is a good player there is no arguement there. kuyt was is the ideal person to play in front of johnson, a fullback capable of getting a sea of assists. no, my problem is with him playing his way back into form on the pitch, so in essense I have no problem with kuyt at all my problem is with rafa for playing him during those slumps.
also ryan said kuyt has a good first touch, er, no he doesn't.
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Dirk does have occasional good first touch. consistency is what he lacks. One very good touch was when he pull down a 50 yard cross field pass at the edge of the box. Unfortunately it was Babel (I think who was in support) who could not make much out of it.
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This is true- sometimes Dirk has a sublime touch, and has some real subtlety to his play when on song. This is clearly not always the case, but it is in the locker.
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How many players are there that deliver 20 assists a season? And when playing with Torres Dirk does rack up a good number of assists.
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I seriously don't want people to get the impression I don't like kuyt, kuyt is a good player there is no arguement there. kuyt was is the ideal person to play in front of johnson, a fullback capable of getting a sea of assists. no, my problem is with him playing his way back into form on the pitch, so in essense I have no problem with kuyt at all my problem is with rafa for playing him during those slumps.
also ryan said kuyt has a good first touch, er, no he doesn't.
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Dirk does have occasional good first touch. consistency is what he lacks. One very good touch was when he pull down a 50 yard cross field pass at the edge of the box. Unfortunately it was Babel (I think who was in support) who could not make much out of it.
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This is true- sometimes Dirk has a sublime touch, and has some real subtlety to his play when on song. This is clearly not always the case, but it is in the locker.
Agreed
anyone is capable of trapping the ball first time once in a while, the thing is kuyt doesn't consistantly get the ball under control with a single touch, those that think he does then more power to you.
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anyone is capable of trapping the ball first time once in a while, the thing is kuyt doesn't consistantly get the ball under control with a single touch, those that think he does then more power to you.
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And again, from another Babel fan, I find this comment truly baffling.
anyone is capable of trapping the ball first time once in a while, the thing is kuyt doesn't consistantly get the ball under control with a single touch, those that think he does then more power to you.
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And again, from another Babel fan, I find this comment truly baffling.
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anyone is capable of trapping the ball first time once in a while, the thing is kuyt doesn't consistantly get the ball under control with a single touch, those that think he does then more power to you.
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And again, from another Babel fan, I find this comment truly baffling.
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OOOOH low blow ... I almost find these debates as entertaining as Ross vs Mark in the Crouch'o'ring
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anyone is capable of trapping the ball first time once in a while, the thing is kuyt doesn't consistantly get the ball under control with a single touch, those that think he does then more power to you.
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And again, from another Babel fan, I find this comment truly baffling.
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OOOOH low blow ... I almost find these debates as entertaining as Ross vs Mark in the Crouch'o'ring
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anyone is capable of trapping the ball first time once in a while, the thing is kuyt doesn't consistantly get the ball under control with a single touch, those that think he does then more power to you.
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And again, from another Babel fan, I find this comment truly baffling.
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OOOOH low blow ... I almost find these debates as entertaining as Ross vs Mark in the Crouch'o'ring
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lol.. Couldn't resist sorry.. It's amazing though, the two players who get labelled as having a poor touch are both Dutch, the sold called 'masters' of the art..
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anyone is capable of trapping the ball first time once in a while, the thing is kuyt doesn't consistantly get the ball under control with a single touch, those that think he does then more power to you.
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And again, from another Babel fan, I find this comment truly baffling.
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OOOOH low blow ... I almost find these debates as entertaining as Ross vs Mark in the Crouch'o'ring
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lol.. Couldn't resist sorry.. It's amazing though, the two players who get labelled as having a poor touch are both Dutch, the sold called 'masters' of the art..
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anyone is capable of trapping the ball first time once in a while, the thing is kuyt doesn't consistantly get the ball under control with a single touch, those that think he does then more power to you.
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And again, from another Babel fan, I find this comment truly baffling.
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OOOOH low blow ... I almost find these debates as entertaining as Ross vs Mark in the Crouch'o'ring
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lol.. Couldn't resist sorry.. It's amazing though, the two players who get labelled as having a poor touch are both Dutch, the sold called 'masters' of the art.. [/quote]
Look at our Brazilians ... at our Dutchies ... At our Argentinians ... We seem to have this odd ability to find decent/good players who don't fit into the 'footy style' you tend to see from the country.
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anyone is capable of trapping the ball first time once in a while, the thing is kuyt doesn't consistantly get the ball under control with a single touch, those that think he does then more power to you.
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And again, from another Babel fan, I find this comment truly baffling.
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OOOOH low blow ... I almost find these debates as entertaining as Ross vs Mark in the Crouch'o'ring
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lol.. Couldn't resist sorry.. It's amazing though, the two players who get labelled as having a poor touch are both Dutch, the sold called 'masters' of the art.. [/quote]
Look at our Brazilians ... at our Dutchies ... At our Argentinians ... We seem to have this odd ability to find decent/good players who don't fit into the 'footy style' you tend to see from the country.
What's the "Argentinian" style?
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