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Kuyt is a massive player for us. Last season he was outstanding and when we playing free flowing,
attacking football he more than played his part, dont forget we were top scorers in the league last season.
He hasn't been as good this season but then again who has? Now though he's getting back to his best.
He's obviously a fully committed player and his work-rate is second to none but it's his intelligence that shines through as well. take for example the build up to Torres's winners against the Mancs...he knew to delay the ball the ball to Yossi for a few second as as to allow Torres to get back onside. And on sat he showed great intelligence for the goal in holding his ground with P.Neville and Howard.
attacking football he more than played his part, dont forget we were top scorers in the league last season.
He hasn't been as good this season but then again who has? Now though he's getting back to his best.
He's obviously a fully committed player and his work-rate is second to none but it's his intelligence that shines through as well. take for example the build up to Torres's winners against the Mancs...he knew to delay the ball the ball to Yossi for a few second as as to allow Torres to get back onside. And on sat he showed great intelligence for the goal in holding his ground with P.Neville and Howard.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38822.msg1051542#msg1051542 date=1265668777]
Are you arguing Kuyt shouldn't be played when he's playing shit? Is that it? You seem to have a serious bee in your bonnet re Dirk mate. Maybe it's cos you made a fool out of yourself in so many threads about him over the last year or two. Whatever it is, your judgement's being clouded.
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Ok - let's end this once and for all. I thought Dirk didn't have the ability to be a productive player for Liverpool after his 12 month drought in the league. I made my feelings known. I was wrong. If you think that I made a fool of myself, ok. It happens, I've said it once and I'll say it again - I make mistakes (far more than Brendan) and I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. I was wrong about Kuyt. I was wrong about Morientes. I was wrong about Le Tallec. etc etc etc. I can list more if you want. At least we know the only 'football scout' I could have been was a virtual one on FM - b/c in real life I'm really hit and miss.
Lastly, re: Kuyt. The fact Dirk never gets dropped, even when he's off form, is an issue to me. He's not Torres, or Gerrard, or Reina. He's a very good player and just because I think he NEEDS to get dropped for a game, or two, if he's struggling DOES NOT mean I want him replaced or shipped out of Liverpool. It just means I don't think his place in the 1st 11 should be a given like it has been for almost 4 years. You seem to think he should be in the same category as Torres or Gerrard (ie, when healthy - he should start). I don't. There's the difference in opinion (and you probably rate him far higher than I do, which is ok too)
Are you arguing Kuyt shouldn't be played when he's playing shit? Is that it? You seem to have a serious bee in your bonnet re Dirk mate. Maybe it's cos you made a fool out of yourself in so many threads about him over the last year or two. Whatever it is, your judgement's being clouded.
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Ok - let's end this once and for all. I thought Dirk didn't have the ability to be a productive player for Liverpool after his 12 month drought in the league. I made my feelings known. I was wrong. If you think that I made a fool of myself, ok. It happens, I've said it once and I'll say it again - I make mistakes (far more than Brendan) and I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. I was wrong about Kuyt. I was wrong about Morientes. I was wrong about Le Tallec. etc etc etc. I can list more if you want. At least we know the only 'football scout' I could have been was a virtual one on FM - b/c in real life I'm really hit and miss.
Lastly, re: Kuyt. The fact Dirk never gets dropped, even when he's off form, is an issue to me. He's not Torres, or Gerrard, or Reina. He's a very good player and just because I think he NEEDS to get dropped for a game, or two, if he's struggling DOES NOT mean I want him replaced or shipped out of Liverpool. It just means I don't think his place in the 1st 11 should be a given like it has been for almost 4 years. You seem to think he should be in the same category as Torres or Gerrard (ie, when healthy - he should start). I don't. There's the difference in opinion (and you probably rate him far higher than I do, which is ok too)
I love Deadly.
I watched the players coming out of the tunnel at the start and at half time on Saturday and it was Gerrard (captain) Carragher (ex-bluenose Scouser) Kuyt and Mascherano. What fucking heart and passion to see walking out there first. All four would run through fucking walls for Liverpool.
I watched the players coming out of the tunnel at the start and at half time on Saturday and it was Gerrard (captain) Carragher (ex-bluenose Scouser) Kuyt and Mascherano. What fucking heart and passion to see walking out there first. All four would run through fucking walls for Liverpool.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38822.msg1051659#msg1051659 date=1265698367]
[The fact Dirk never gets dropped, even when he's off form, is an issue to me. He's not Torres, or Gerrard, or Reina. [/quote]
totally agree.
[The fact Dirk never gets dropped, even when he's off form, is an issue to me. He's not Torres, or Gerrard, or Reina. [/quote]
totally agree.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38822.msg1051659#msg1051659 date=1265698367]
Lastly, re: Kuyt. The fact Dirk never gets dropped, even when he's off form, is an issue to me. He's not Torres, or Gerrard, or Reina. He's a very good player and just because I think he NEEDS to get dropped for a game, or two, if he's struggling DOES NOT mean I want him replaced or shipped out of Liverpool. It just means I don't think his place in the 1st 11 should be a given like it has been for almost 4 years. You seem to think he should be in the same category as Torres or Gerrard (ie, when healthy - he should start). I don't. There's the difference in opinion (and you probably rate him far higher than I do, which is ok too)
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I don't think anyone is of the opinion that Dirk should *never* be dropped. Of course there will be times that a player is left out of the team because of form, fitness, or the need for a rest. Certainly there were times earlier this season that Kuyt appeared to be in such a fugue that a spell on the bench seemed a logical move.
But I think what Ryan is trying to say is that he can see some of the reason *why* Benitez doesn't do it, because he offers so many things to the team that are important. And in any case, Benitez doing/ not doing something that appears logical to most is hardly any great fucking surprise.
As for never dropping him, I probably *would* bench Dirk occasionally, but at the moment we don't exactly have any better options and nor have we had any since he's been here, because contrary to oft-held belief, Dirk Kuyt is a good player, and always has been.
Lastly, re: Kuyt. The fact Dirk never gets dropped, even when he's off form, is an issue to me. He's not Torres, or Gerrard, or Reina. He's a very good player and just because I think he NEEDS to get dropped for a game, or two, if he's struggling DOES NOT mean I want him replaced or shipped out of Liverpool. It just means I don't think his place in the 1st 11 should be a given like it has been for almost 4 years. You seem to think he should be in the same category as Torres or Gerrard (ie, when healthy - he should start). I don't. There's the difference in opinion (and you probably rate him far higher than I do, which is ok too)
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I don't think anyone is of the opinion that Dirk should *never* be dropped. Of course there will be times that a player is left out of the team because of form, fitness, or the need for a rest. Certainly there were times earlier this season that Kuyt appeared to be in such a fugue that a spell on the bench seemed a logical move.
But I think what Ryan is trying to say is that he can see some of the reason *why* Benitez doesn't do it, because he offers so many things to the team that are important. And in any case, Benitez doing/ not doing something that appears logical to most is hardly any great fucking surprise.
As for never dropping him, I probably *would* bench Dirk occasionally, but at the moment we don't exactly have any better options and nor have we had any since he's been here, because contrary to oft-held belief, Dirk Kuyt is a good player, and always has been.
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38822.msg1051659#msg1051659 date=1265698367]
[The fact Dirk never gets dropped, even when he's off form, is an issue to me. He's not Torres, or Gerrard, or Reina. [/quote]
totally agree.
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I agree, but when the only option is Babel, then I hope Kuyt plays 120 minutes a game.
Now that we have Maxi who seems semi decent, than I'm all for dropping him when he's playing like shit.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38822.msg1051659#msg1051659 date=1265698367]
[The fact Dirk never gets dropped, even when he's off form, is an issue to me. He's not Torres, or Gerrard, or Reina. [/quote]
totally agree.
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I agree, but when the only option is Babel, then I hope Kuyt plays 120 minutes a game.
Now that we have Maxi who seems semi decent, than I'm all for dropping him when he's playing like shit.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38822.msg1051738#msg1051738 date=1265710347]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38822.msg1051659#msg1051659 date=1265698367]
Lastly, re: Kuyt. The fact Dirk never gets dropped, even when he's off form, is an issue to me. He's not Torres, or Gerrard, or Reina. He's a very good player and just because I think he NEEDS to get dropped for a game, or two, if he's struggling DOES NOT mean I want him replaced or shipped out of Liverpool. It just means I don't think his place in the 1st 11 should be a given like it has been for almost 4 years. You seem to think he should be in the same category as Torres or Gerrard (ie, when healthy - he should start). I don't. There's the difference in opinion (and you probably rate him far higher than I do, which is ok too)
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I don't think anyone is of the opinion that Dirk should *never* be dropped. Of course there will be times that a player is left out of the team because of form, fitness, or the need for a rest. Certainly there were times earlier this season that Kuyt appeared to be in such a fugue that a spell on the bench seemed a logical move.
But I think what Ryan is trying to say is that he can see some of the reason *why* Benitez doesn't do it, because he offers so many things to the team that are important. And in any case, Benitez doing/ not doing something that appears logical to most is hardly any great fucking surprise.
As for never dropping him, I probably *would* bench Dirk occasionally, but at the moment we don't exactly have any better options and nor have we had any since he's been here, because contrary to oft-held belief, Dirk Kuyt is a good player, and always has been.
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Good post Brendan.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38822.msg1051659#msg1051659 date=1265698367]
Lastly, re: Kuyt. The fact Dirk never gets dropped, even when he's off form, is an issue to me. He's not Torres, or Gerrard, or Reina. He's a very good player and just because I think he NEEDS to get dropped for a game, or two, if he's struggling DOES NOT mean I want him replaced or shipped out of Liverpool. It just means I don't think his place in the 1st 11 should be a given like it has been for almost 4 years. You seem to think he should be in the same category as Torres or Gerrard (ie, when healthy - he should start). I don't. There's the difference in opinion (and you probably rate him far higher than I do, which is ok too)
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I don't think anyone is of the opinion that Dirk should *never* be dropped. Of course there will be times that a player is left out of the team because of form, fitness, or the need for a rest. Certainly there were times earlier this season that Kuyt appeared to be in such a fugue that a spell on the bench seemed a logical move.
But I think what Ryan is trying to say is that he can see some of the reason *why* Benitez doesn't do it, because he offers so many things to the team that are important. And in any case, Benitez doing/ not doing something that appears logical to most is hardly any great fucking surprise.
As for never dropping him, I probably *would* bench Dirk occasionally, but at the moment we don't exactly have any better options and nor have we had any since he's been here, because contrary to oft-held belief, Dirk Kuyt is a good player, and always has been.
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Good post Brendan.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38822.msg1051740#msg1051740 date=1265710456]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38822.msg1051738#msg1051738 date=1265710347]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38822.msg1051659#msg1051659 date=1265698367]
Lastly, re: Kuyt. The fact Dirk never gets dropped, even when he's off form, is an issue to me. He's not Torres, or Gerrard, or Reina. He's a very good player and just because I think he NEEDS to get dropped for a game, or two, if he's struggling DOES NOT mean I want him replaced or shipped out of Liverpool. It just means I don't think his place in the 1st 11 should be a given like it has been for almost 4 years. You seem to think he should be in the same category as Torres or Gerrard (ie, when healthy - he should start). I don't. There's the difference in opinion (and you probably rate him far higher than I do, which is ok too)
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I don't think anyone is of the opinion that Dirk should *never* be dropped. Of course there will be times that a player is left out of the team because of form, fitness, or the need for a rest. Certainly there were times earlier this season that Kuyt appeared to be in such a fugue that a spell on the bench seemed a logical move.
But I think what Ryan is trying to say is that he can see some of the reason *why* Benitez doesn't do it, because he offers so many things to the team that are important. And in any case, Benitez doing/ not doing something that appears logical to most is hardly any great fucking surprise.
As for never dropping him, I probably *would* bench Dirk occasionally, but at the moment we don't exactly have any better options and nor have we had any since he's been here, because contrary to oft-held belief, Dirk Kuyt is a good player, and always has been.
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Good post Brendan.
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Indeed.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38822.msg1051738#msg1051738 date=1265710347]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38822.msg1051659#msg1051659 date=1265698367]
Lastly, re: Kuyt. The fact Dirk never gets dropped, even when he's off form, is an issue to me. He's not Torres, or Gerrard, or Reina. He's a very good player and just because I think he NEEDS to get dropped for a game, or two, if he's struggling DOES NOT mean I want him replaced or shipped out of Liverpool. It just means I don't think his place in the 1st 11 should be a given like it has been for almost 4 years. You seem to think he should be in the same category as Torres or Gerrard (ie, when healthy - he should start). I don't. There's the difference in opinion (and you probably rate him far higher than I do, which is ok too)
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I don't think anyone is of the opinion that Dirk should *never* be dropped. Of course there will be times that a player is left out of the team because of form, fitness, or the need for a rest. Certainly there were times earlier this season that Kuyt appeared to be in such a fugue that a spell on the bench seemed a logical move.
But I think what Ryan is trying to say is that he can see some of the reason *why* Benitez doesn't do it, because he offers so many things to the team that are important. And in any case, Benitez doing/ not doing something that appears logical to most is hardly any great fucking surprise.
As for never dropping him, I probably *would* bench Dirk occasionally, but at the moment we don't exactly have any better options and nor have we had any since he's been here, because contrary to oft-held belief, Dirk Kuyt is a good player, and always has been.
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Good post Brendan.
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Indeed.
what annoys me is some people seem more concerned with individuals than our title challenge. with every year that goes by I become more and more detached with individuals as I know they come and go but there will always be liverpool. when I see someone in a,slump I want that person dropped. end of fucking story. we have a squad for a reason, what if the point of having a big sqaud if you aren't going to use it? so dirk runs around chasing his own tail game after game and we lose points and then he finds himself in a rich vein of form, hooray, for kuyt.
where's the competition for places? where is the hunger to get in the team? where's the fear of being dropped? fucking bullshit as ANOTHER title challenge disappears up our own arse but who cares as kuyt is back in form doing the business. that is everything that is wrong with benitez' management right fucking there.
where's the competition for places? where is the hunger to get in the team? where's the fear of being dropped? fucking bullshit as ANOTHER title challenge disappears up our own arse but who cares as kuyt is back in form doing the business. that is everything that is wrong with benitez' management right fucking there.
here is a good example.
2001 -
owen is in a horrible run of form, it gets so bad that he is dropped and misses the carlin cup final as a result. robbie takes the ball and runs with it. mike comes back stronger than ever and finishes the season with an absolute bang scoring 'that' brace v arsenal in the fa cup. I bet my bottom dollar that if it were up to some here owen would have remained in the team the entire time and been allowed to play himself back into form.
2001 -
owen is in a horrible run of form, it gets so bad that he is dropped and misses the carlin cup final as a result. robbie takes the ball and runs with it. mike comes back stronger than ever and finishes the season with an absolute bang scoring 'that' brace v arsenal in the fa cup. I bet my bottom dollar that if it were up to some here owen would have remained in the team the entire time and been allowed to play himself back into form.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051806#msg1051806 date=1265713731]
here is a good example.
2001 -
owen is in a horrible run of form, it gets so bad that he is dropped and misses the carlin cup final as a result. robbie takes the ball and runs with it. mike comes back stronger than ever and finishes the season with an absolute bang scoring 'that' brace v arsenal in the fa cup. I bet my bottom dollar that if it were up to some here owen would have remained in the team the entire time and been allowed to play himself back into form.
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It's a shit example.
We don't have a "Robbie Fowler Option", in any fucking position on the pitch.
here is a good example.
2001 -
owen is in a horrible run of form, it gets so bad that he is dropped and misses the carlin cup final as a result. robbie takes the ball and runs with it. mike comes back stronger than ever and finishes the season with an absolute bang scoring 'that' brace v arsenal in the fa cup. I bet my bottom dollar that if it were up to some here owen would have remained in the team the entire time and been allowed to play himself back into form.
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It's a shit example.
We don't have a "Robbie Fowler Option", in any fucking position on the pitch.
I agree with Bren, Ryan and Mike Hunt, there is a mix to agree with, much as I think Dirk is pretty limited , there have been very few occasions this year when we have had better options in the positions he can play in.
regards
regards
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38822.msg1051813#msg1051813 date=1265714584]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051806#msg1051806 date=1265713731]
here is a good example.
2001 -
owen is in a horrible run of form, it gets so bad that he is dropped and misses the carlin cup final as a result. robbie takes the ball and runs with it. mike comes back stronger than ever and finishes the season with an absolute bang scoring 'that' brace v arsenal in the fa cup. I bet my bottom dollar that if it were up to some here owen would have remained in the team the entire time and been allowed to play himself back into form.
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It's a shit example.
We don't have a "Robbie Fowler Option", in any fucking position on the pitch.
[/quote]And if it's a boy, he's gonna call it Rodney.......after Dave.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051806#msg1051806 date=1265713731]
here is a good example.
2001 -
owen is in a horrible run of form, it gets so bad that he is dropped and misses the carlin cup final as a result. robbie takes the ball and runs with it. mike comes back stronger than ever and finishes the season with an absolute bang scoring 'that' brace v arsenal in the fa cup. I bet my bottom dollar that if it were up to some here owen would have remained in the team the entire time and been allowed to play himself back into form.
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It's a shit example.
We don't have a "Robbie Fowler Option", in any fucking position on the pitch.
[/quote]And if it's a boy, he's gonna call it Rodney.......after Dave.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38822.msg1051313#msg1051313 date=1265640486]
Vlad has soooo obviously never kicked a football in his life.
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Not as often as I kicked smarmy poseurs , who thought they could play a bit 😉
regards
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I bet you were a right bruiser Vlad.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38822.msg1051313#msg1051313 date=1265640486]
Vlad has soooo obviously never kicked a football in his life.
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Not as often as I kicked smarmy poseurs , who thought they could play a bit 😉
regards
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I bet you were a right bruiser Vlad.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38822.msg1051813#msg1051813 date=1265714584]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051806#msg1051806 date=1265713731]
here is a good example.
2001 -
owen is in a horrible run of form, it gets so bad that he is dropped and misses the carlin cup final as a result. robbie takes the ball and runs with it. mike comes back stronger than ever and finishes the season with an absolute bang scoring 'that' brace v arsenal in the fa cup. I bet my bottom dollar that if it were up to some here owen would have remained in the team the entire time and been allowed to play himself back into form.
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It's a shit example.
We don't have a "Robbie Fowler Option", in any fucking position on the pitch.
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obviously there is no one near as good as robbie on the bench but anyone (ANYONE!!) may have turned a couple of losses into draws or draws into wins if they were given the oppertunity when dirk was in an appalling run of form.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051806#msg1051806 date=1265713731]
here is a good example.
2001 -
owen is in a horrible run of form, it gets so bad that he is dropped and misses the carlin cup final as a result. robbie takes the ball and runs with it. mike comes back stronger than ever and finishes the season with an absolute bang scoring 'that' brace v arsenal in the fa cup. I bet my bottom dollar that if it were up to some here owen would have remained in the team the entire time and been allowed to play himself back into form.
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It's a shit example.
We don't have a "Robbie Fowler Option", in any fucking position on the pitch.
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obviously there is no one near as good as robbie on the bench but anyone (ANYONE!!) may have turned a couple of losses into draws or draws into wins if they were given the oppertunity when dirk was in an appalling run of form.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051822#msg1051822 date=1265715081]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38822.msg1051813#msg1051813 date=1265714584]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051806#msg1051806 date=1265713731]
here is a good example.
2001 -
owen is in a horrible run of form, it gets so bad that he is dropped and misses the carlin cup final as a result. robbie takes the ball and runs with it. mike comes back stronger than ever and finishes the season with an absolute bang scoring 'that' brace v arsenal in the fa cup. I bet my bottom dollar that if it were up to some here owen would have remained in the team the entire time and been allowed to play himself back into form.
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It's a shit example.
We don't have a "Robbie Fowler Option", in any fucking position on the pitch.
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obviously there is no one near as good as robbie on the bench but anyone (ANYONE!!) may have turned a couple of losses into draws or draws into wins if they were given the oppertunity when dirk was in an appalling run of form.
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That's a pretty specious argument
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38822.msg1051813#msg1051813 date=1265714584]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051806#msg1051806 date=1265713731]
here is a good example.
2001 -
owen is in a horrible run of form, it gets so bad that he is dropped and misses the carlin cup final as a result. robbie takes the ball and runs with it. mike comes back stronger than ever and finishes the season with an absolute bang scoring 'that' brace v arsenal in the fa cup. I bet my bottom dollar that if it were up to some here owen would have remained in the team the entire time and been allowed to play himself back into form.
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It's a shit example.
We don't have a "Robbie Fowler Option", in any fucking position on the pitch.
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obviously there is no one near as good as robbie on the bench but anyone (ANYONE!!) may have turned a couple of losses into draws or draws into wins if they were given the oppertunity when dirk was in an appalling run of form.
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That's a pretty specious argument
I'll also add if benitez doesn't feel there is anyone on the bench to replace a midfielder who is in a horrible run of form then he has spent a shit load of money on a fucking SHIT squad.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051824#msg1051824 date=1265715226]
I'll also add if benitez doesn't feel there is anyone on the bench to replace a midfielder who is in a horrible run of form then he has spent a shit load of money on a fucking SHIT squad.
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Just because you're getting picked on, don't take it out on Rafa!
I'll also add if benitez doesn't feel there is anyone on the bench to replace a midfielder who is in a horrible run of form then he has spent a shit load of money on a fucking SHIT squad.
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Just because you're getting picked on, don't take it out on Rafa!
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051824#msg1051824 date=1265715226]
I'll also add if benitez doesn't feel there is anyone on the bench to replace a midfielder who is in a horrible run of form then he has spent a shit load of money on a fucking SHIT squad.
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We do have a poor squad. We all know this.
I'll also add if benitez doesn't feel there is anyone on the bench to replace a midfielder who is in a horrible run of form then he has spent a shit load of money on a fucking SHIT squad.
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We do have a poor squad. We all know this.
I'm a huge Dirkaholic but I think LTW is taking a bit of an unfair bashing. He does seem to have a slight agenda regarding Kuyt but some people are trying to insinuate that he doesn't rate Dirk at all. He suggested that he should be rotated during periods of poor form, hardly a scathing attack. I have advocated Dirk to play every game in the past as he is the best option on the right and I love what he brings to us. Long Live The Dirk.
Same with the Rooney saga, he stated many times that Rooney was a great player but questioned his finishing abilities. Hardly that scathing either. I'm sure some questioned Torres and his finishing ability before he came here and he proved the doubter wrong. Rooney has proved LTW wrong in that aspect too. Rooney is a terrific player, obviously, possibly best in the world right now but a question mark did hang over his head at one time whether he could score 20+ goal in a league campaign. With Ronaldo gone, Rooney has certainly stepped up to the plate and is scoring right left and centre. He has proved he can score 20+ goals in the league, he has 23 already and we are only in February. I'm sure LTW realised that Rooney was also a fantastic player and was even world class when he questioned his finishing ability in the old threads. Questioning one facet of a players game isn't insinuating he isn't a great player.
Disclaimer : I will take this (defence of LTW) back if LTW was in fact naive enough not to rate Rooney as one of the best players in the world. Surely that is not the case. Is it?
Same with the Rooney saga, he stated many times that Rooney was a great player but questioned his finishing abilities. Hardly that scathing either. I'm sure some questioned Torres and his finishing ability before he came here and he proved the doubter wrong. Rooney has proved LTW wrong in that aspect too. Rooney is a terrific player, obviously, possibly best in the world right now but a question mark did hang over his head at one time whether he could score 20+ goal in a league campaign. With Ronaldo gone, Rooney has certainly stepped up to the plate and is scoring right left and centre. He has proved he can score 20+ goals in the league, he has 23 already and we are only in February. I'm sure LTW realised that Rooney was also a fantastic player and was even world class when he questioned his finishing ability in the old threads. Questioning one facet of a players game isn't insinuating he isn't a great player.
Disclaimer : I will take this (defence of LTW) back if LTW was in fact naive enough not to rate Rooney as one of the best players in the world. Surely that is not the case. Is it?
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051824#msg1051824 date=1265715226]
I'll also add if benitez doesn't feel there is anyone on the bench to replace a midfielder who is in a horrible run of form then he has spent a shit load of money on a fucking SHIT squad.
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Just because you're getting picked on, don't take it out on Rafa!
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I'm a rafa fan, but he stands besides individuals too much, he is afraid to make quick changes, he has an almost 'wait and see' attitude. its the same with his subs, no changes until minute 65 even if we are getting battered. what happened to the decisive manager who rotated people in and out and made quick subs (the best example being the CL final).
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051824#msg1051824 date=1265715226]
I'll also add if benitez doesn't feel there is anyone on the bench to replace a midfielder who is in a horrible run of form then he has spent a shit load of money on a fucking SHIT squad.
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Just because you're getting picked on, don't take it out on Rafa!
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I'm a rafa fan, but he stands besides individuals too much, he is afraid to make quick changes, he has an almost 'wait and see' attitude. its the same with his subs, no changes until minute 65 even if we are getting battered. what happened to the decisive manager who rotated people in and out and made quick subs (the best example being the CL final).
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38822.msg1051825#msg1051825 date=1265715317]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051824#msg1051824 date=1265715226]
I'll also add if benitez doesn't feel there is anyone on the bench to replace a midfielder who is in a horrible run of form then he has spent a shit load of money on a fucking SHIT squad.
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Just because you're getting picked on, don't take it out on Rafa!
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I fully agree with the essence of what he's saying although Spidey doesn't always express himself coherently.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051824#msg1051824 date=1265715226]
I'll also add if benitez doesn't feel there is anyone on the bench to replace a midfielder who is in a horrible run of form then he has spent a shit load of money on a fucking SHIT squad.
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Just because you're getting picked on, don't take it out on Rafa!
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I fully agree with the essence of what he's saying although Spidey doesn't always express himself coherently.
[quote author=ILD link=topic=38822.msg1051827#msg1051827 date=1265715383]
I'm a huge Dirkaholic but I think LTW is taking a bit of an unfair bashing. He does seem to have a slight agenda regarding Kuyt but some people are trying to insinuate that he doesn't rate Dirk at all. He suggested that he should be rotated during periods of poor form, hardly a scathing attack. I have advocated Dirk to play every game in the past as he is the best option on the right and I love what he brings to us. Long Live The Dirk.
Same with the Rooney saga, he stated many times that Rooney was a great player but questioned his finishing abilities. Hardly that scathing either. I'm sure some questioned Torres and his finishing ability before he came here and he proved the doubter wrong. Rooney has proved LTW wrong in that aspect too. Rooney is a terrific player, obviously, possibly best in the world right now but a question mark did hang over his head at one time whether he could score 20+ goal in a league campaign. With Ronaldo gone, Rooney has certainly stepped up to the plate and is scoring right left and centre. He has proved he can score 20+ goals in the league, he has 23 already and we are only in February. I'm sure LTW realised that Rooney was also a fantastic player and was even world class when he questioned his finishing ability in the old threads. Questioning one facet of a players game isn't insinuating he isn't a great player.
Disclaimer : I will take this (defence of LTW) back if LTW was in fact naive enough not to rate Rooney as one of the best players in the world. Surely that is not the case. Is it?
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Ha ha ... where to begin ...
I thought Rooney (though Adu was a better prospect, right Glockie? 🙂) was a magnificent player, just not a great striker. I'll be honest, I don't think I rated him as one of the 'best' players in the world (ie Messi, Kaka, Ronaldo, Gerrard, Torres level) but I think this year he's sadly there.
I'm a huge Dirkaholic but I think LTW is taking a bit of an unfair bashing. He does seem to have a slight agenda regarding Kuyt but some people are trying to insinuate that he doesn't rate Dirk at all. He suggested that he should be rotated during periods of poor form, hardly a scathing attack. I have advocated Dirk to play every game in the past as he is the best option on the right and I love what he brings to us. Long Live The Dirk.
Same with the Rooney saga, he stated many times that Rooney was a great player but questioned his finishing abilities. Hardly that scathing either. I'm sure some questioned Torres and his finishing ability before he came here and he proved the doubter wrong. Rooney has proved LTW wrong in that aspect too. Rooney is a terrific player, obviously, possibly best in the world right now but a question mark did hang over his head at one time whether he could score 20+ goal in a league campaign. With Ronaldo gone, Rooney has certainly stepped up to the plate and is scoring right left and centre. He has proved he can score 20+ goals in the league, he has 23 already and we are only in February. I'm sure LTW realised that Rooney was also a fantastic player and was even world class when he questioned his finishing ability in the old threads. Questioning one facet of a players game isn't insinuating he isn't a great player.
Disclaimer : I will take this (defence of LTW) back if LTW was in fact naive enough not to rate Rooney as one of the best players in the world. Surely that is not the case. Is it?
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Ha ha ... where to begin ...
I thought Rooney (though Adu was a better prospect, right Glockie? 🙂) was a magnificent player, just not a great striker. I'll be honest, I don't think I rated him as one of the 'best' players in the world (ie Messi, Kaka, Ronaldo, Gerrard, Torres level) but I think this year he's sadly there.
If that's your best example, you're fucked. He was 3-0 down by half-time and had nothing to lose
kuyt is a better player than heskey, at the very least he has more heart and balls but the situation is the same, gh era/rafa era. striker is allowed to play game after game despite stinking the place out, we lose points, title disappears but heskey finishes the season stronger than ever (with everyone singing his praises) waiting for the next season to have one of his patented (TM) (C) slumps.
for the record I actually think kuyt is a good player.
for the record I actually think kuyt is a good player.
[quote author=ILD link=topic=38822.msg1051827#msg1051827 date=1265715383]
I'm a huge Dirkaholic but I think LTW is taking a bit of an unfair bashing. He does seem to have a slight agenda regarding Kuyt but some people are trying to insinuate that he doesn't rate Dirk at all. He suggested that he should be rotated during periods of poor form, hardly a scathing attack. I have advocated Dirk to play every game in the past as he is the best option on the right and I love what he brings to us. Long Live The Dirk.
Same with the Rooney saga, he stated many times that Rooney was a great player but questioned his finishing abilities. Hardly that scathing either. I'm sure some questioned Torres and his finishing ability before he came here and he proved the doubter wrong. Rooney has proved LTW wrong in that aspect too. Rooney is a terrific player, obviously, possibly best in the world right now but a question mark did hang over his head at one time whether he could score 20+ goal in a league campaign. With Ronaldo gone, Rooney has certainly stepped up to the plate and is scoring right left and centre. He has proved he can score 20+ goals in the league, he has 23 already and we are only in February. I'm sure LTW realised that Rooney was also a fantastic player and was even world class when he questioned his finishing ability in the old threads. Questioning one facet of a players game isn't insinuating he isn't a great player.
Disclaimer : I will take this (defence of LTW) back if LTW was in fact naive enough not to rate Rooney as one of the best players in the world. Surely that is not the case. Is it?
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No.. I think you're right. It's just a problem some have around here with accepting varying opinion.. they don't accept any middle ground either. You have to think a player is world class or plain shit. You can't rate a player but still be critical of him (or facet in him) at the same time.. and if you are modest enough to hold your hands up and say "perhaps I was wrong" or "he's NOW proven me wrong, he's one of the best" (even though before he WAS average at finishing to begin with), then somehow it's seen as cowardly or weakness and you were talking bollocks all along (apparently).
I'm a huge Dirkaholic but I think LTW is taking a bit of an unfair bashing. He does seem to have a slight agenda regarding Kuyt but some people are trying to insinuate that he doesn't rate Dirk at all. He suggested that he should be rotated during periods of poor form, hardly a scathing attack. I have advocated Dirk to play every game in the past as he is the best option on the right and I love what he brings to us. Long Live The Dirk.
Same with the Rooney saga, he stated many times that Rooney was a great player but questioned his finishing abilities. Hardly that scathing either. I'm sure some questioned Torres and his finishing ability before he came here and he proved the doubter wrong. Rooney has proved LTW wrong in that aspect too. Rooney is a terrific player, obviously, possibly best in the world right now but a question mark did hang over his head at one time whether he could score 20+ goal in a league campaign. With Ronaldo gone, Rooney has certainly stepped up to the plate and is scoring right left and centre. He has proved he can score 20+ goals in the league, he has 23 already and we are only in February. I'm sure LTW realised that Rooney was also a fantastic player and was even world class when he questioned his finishing ability in the old threads. Questioning one facet of a players game isn't insinuating he isn't a great player.
Disclaimer : I will take this (defence of LTW) back if LTW was in fact naive enough not to rate Rooney as one of the best players in the world. Surely that is not the case. Is it?
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No.. I think you're right. It's just a problem some have around here with accepting varying opinion.. they don't accept any middle ground either. You have to think a player is world class or plain shit. You can't rate a player but still be critical of him (or facet in him) at the same time.. and if you are modest enough to hold your hands up and say "perhaps I was wrong" or "he's NOW proven me wrong, he's one of the best" (even though before he WAS average at finishing to begin with), then somehow it's seen as cowardly or weakness and you were talking bollocks all along (apparently).
You need to update your Dirk "IRRELEVANT OF STARTING POSITION." goals analysis
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