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What's the "Argentinian" style?
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Dirty tricks.
What's the "Argentinian" style?
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Dirty tricks.
it's as simple as this. . .
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Well, I must be in the position that I know fuck all about footy, because Ryan says I don't.
Dirk is a nice genuine lad and honest as the day is long, he will run all day for the cause and loves wearing a Liverpool shirt. When he is good those attributes help an otherwise average game rise above being just that- average, when he is poor they don't help.
Dirk on form is worth a place , assuming there are no better options, which there aren't currently, when he is not on form, like he has been for much of the season should not really get a game, which should be no different for any other player.
I am fairly ambivalent over him really, I just don't see he is such a fantastic player as some do
regards
Dirk is a nice genuine lad and honest as the day is long, he will run all day for the cause and loves wearing a Liverpool shirt. When he is good those attributes help an otherwise average game rise above being just that- average, when he is poor they don't help.
Dirk on form is worth a place , assuming there are no better options, which there aren't currently, when he is not on form, like he has been for much of the season should not really get a game, which should be no different for any other player.
I am fairly ambivalent over him really, I just don't see he is such a fantastic player as some do
regards
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38822.msg1051288#msg1051288 date=1265638421]
What's the "Argentinian" style?
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They are all two footed geniuses
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^^^^^
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38822.msg1051288#msg1051288 date=1265638421]
What's the "Argentinian" style?
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They are all two footed geniuses
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^^^^^
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051240#msg1051240 date=1265634155]
anyone is capable of trapping the ball first time once in a while, the thing is kuyt doesn't consistantly get the ball under control with a single touch, those that think he does then more power to you.
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And again, from another Babel fan, I find this comment truly baffling.
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can't I have a mutally exclusive opinion about each player? yes babel's first touch is piss poor but then I'm not making out its good like some are attempting to with kuyt. let's see how many times kuyt miscontrols the ball on wednesday when ball retention will be key to beating arsenal.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=38822.msg1051240#msg1051240 date=1265634155]
anyone is capable of trapping the ball first time once in a while, the thing is kuyt doesn't consistantly get the ball under control with a single touch, those that think he does then more power to you.
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And again, from another Babel fan, I find this comment truly baffling.
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can't I have a mutally exclusive opinion about each player? yes babel's first touch is piss poor but then I'm not making out its good like some are attempting to with kuyt. let's see how many times kuyt miscontrols the ball on wednesday when ball retention will be key to beating arsenal.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38822.msg1051291#msg1051291 date=1265638618]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38822.msg1051288#msg1051288 date=1265638421]
What's the "Argentinian" style?
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They are all two footed geniuses
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ha ha that never gets old. glock's finest hour ;D
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38822.msg1051288#msg1051288 date=1265638421]
What's the "Argentinian" style?
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They are all two footed geniuses
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ha ha that never gets old. glock's finest hour ;D
We will never be sure what Grocky's finest hour was anymore, sadly
The legendary conversations about Argies/ pace/ best LB in the world/ Top 10 strikers/ insert your own favourite here, will now be forever sullied by the Doc Rule/ The Rule plagiarism scandal.
Now I don't know which mentally ill fucking weapon wrote which drivel, and it's all been spoiled
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38822.msg1051313#msg1051313 date=1265640486]
Vlad has soooo obviously never kicked a football in his life.
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Not as often as I kicked smarmy poseurs , who thought they could play a bit 😉
regards
Vlad has soooo obviously never kicked a football in his life.
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Not as often as I kicked smarmy poseurs , who thought they could play a bit 😉
regards
You've been ruled
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38822.msg1051313#msg1051313 date=1265640486]
Vlad has soooo obviously never kicked a football in his life.
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Not as often as I kicked smarmy poseurs , who thought they could play a bit 😉
regards
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Did you carve the word "regards" into the studs you used to savage these poor buggers?
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38822.msg1051313#msg1051313 date=1265640486]
Vlad has soooo obviously never kicked a football in his life.
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Not as often as I kicked smarmy poseurs , who thought they could play a bit 😉
regards
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Did you carve the word "regards" into the studs you used to savage these poor buggers?
"Regards"
Imo, Kuyt's biggest flaw is Rafa's use of him. It's inept silly and continuous. He has his great attributes and his bad ones. Against teams were we have to play football unless he is the striker (when Torres is out) then he has no business starting. He constantly slows down and even breaks down our attacking moves. Against these compact unadventurous sides it requires holding onto possession and then quickly launching sharp poignant attacks. The games that we have been struggling in for 2 years against the fodder has a direct connection to Dirk Kuyt, Lucas, Masch, Yossi on the left, Aurelio, Dossena(thank god he's gone) playing in the midfield. Its all too predictable, too narrow and too repetitive our attacking style. Dirk Kuyt mr. can't cross or take on a player or trap a ball consistently, or play an through ball consistently needs to be given his rest during these games. He's a monster to deal with for teams that are trying to play us properly because they have to worry about him offensively, defensively and everywhere. Against a 10 man defense, i'd say the scouting report on dirk is easy, Force him wide right and get onto him as he gets possession cause his first touch is up for grabs.
And I don't think Kuyt's lack of pace is his biggest footballing issue either. Cause obviously not every player has to be a burner but its his touch and his ability to keep things moving in the right direction (got im so sick of seeing him constantly get into good positions only to have to trap the ball starting to dribble backwards to look for a back pass or an outside of the right foot on the ground pass inside because he just can't do anything else). He doesn't have the creativity or technique to fit into Aquilani's style of play. And seeing as Aquilani is our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses I think we need to be adapting for the smaller sides as playing them costs us greatly.
Big games, good teams, tough competitions where we have to attack and be solid at the back he happens to be one of our best assets.
Oh, and for RW: Maxi > Kuyt
And that might even be against bigger teams but we'll have to see Maxi's work rate when he is fit and finding form.
And I don't think Kuyt's lack of pace is his biggest footballing issue either. Cause obviously not every player has to be a burner but its his touch and his ability to keep things moving in the right direction (got im so sick of seeing him constantly get into good positions only to have to trap the ball starting to dribble backwards to look for a back pass or an outside of the right foot on the ground pass inside because he just can't do anything else). He doesn't have the creativity or technique to fit into Aquilani's style of play. And seeing as Aquilani is our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses I think we need to be adapting for the smaller sides as playing them costs us greatly.
Big games, good teams, tough competitions where we have to attack and be solid at the back he happens to be one of our best assets.
Oh, and for RW: Maxi > Kuyt
And that might even be against bigger teams but we'll have to see Maxi's work rate when he is fit and finding form.
If anyone has any fucking clue what Ass is quacking on about here, please precis it in 10 words
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
heh, using an "&" sign instead of saying "and" can't count surely?
And seemingly Aquaman has become "our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses" because he's had one assist.
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051432#msg1051432 date=1265657330]
And seemingly Aquaman has become "our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses" because he's had one assist.
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Two!
Two assists, pffft you know FUCK ALL about football...
I means fucking hell do you even watch the fucking games FFS!
In fact do you even support LFC!!
And seemingly Aquaman has become "our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses" because he's had one assist.
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Two!
Two assists, pffft you know FUCK ALL about football...
I means fucking hell do you even watch the fucking games FFS!
In fact do you even support LFC!!
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051432#msg1051432 date=1265657330]
And seemingly Aquaman has become "our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses" because he's had one assist.
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You ever watch Italian football.
I'm sure the answer is no for the exact reason Aquilani is great against tight defenses, because the Serie A has a lot of well coached, very stingy defenses.
And seemingly Aquaman has become "our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses" because he's had one assist.
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You ever watch Italian football.
I'm sure the answer is no for the exact reason Aquilani is great against tight defenses, because the Serie A has a lot of well coached, very stingy defenses.
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=38822.msg1051435#msg1051435 date=1265657453]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051432#msg1051432 date=1265657330]
And seemingly Aquaman has become "our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses" because he's had one assist.
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You ever watch Italian football.
I'm sure the answer is no for the exact reason Aquilani is great against tight defenses, because the Serie A has a lot of well coached, very stingy defenses.
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I know, it was really shrewd of our gaffa to recognise this and go after an Italian international left back.
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051432#msg1051432 date=1265657330]
And seemingly Aquaman has become "our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses" because he's had one assist.
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You ever watch Italian football.
I'm sure the answer is no for the exact reason Aquilani is great against tight defenses, because the Serie A has a lot of well coached, very stingy defenses.
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I know, it was really shrewd of our gaffa to recognise this and go after an Italian international left back.
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=38822.msg1051421#msg1051421 date=1265656222]
Imo, Kuyt's biggest flaw is Rafa's use of him. It's inept silly and continuous. He has his great attributes and his bad ones. Against teams were we have to play football unless he is the striker (when Torres is out) then he has no business starting. He constantly slows down and even breaks down our attacking moves. Against these compact unadventurous sides it requires holding onto possession and then quickly launching sharp poignant attacks. The games that we have been struggling in for 2 years against the fodder has a direct connection to Dirk Kuyt, Lucas, Masch, Yossi on the left, Aurelio, Dossena(thank god he's gone) playing in the midfield. Its all too predictable, too narrow and too repetitive our attacking style. Dirk Kuyt mr. can't cross or take on a player or trap a ball consistently, or play an through ball consistently needs to be given his rest during these games. He's a monster to deal with for teams that are trying to play us properly because they have to worry about him offensively, defensively and everywhere. Against a 10 man defense, i'd say the scouting report on dirk is easy, Force him wide right and get onto him as he gets possession cause his first touch is up for grabs.
And I don't think Kuyt's lack of pace is his biggest footballing issue either. Cause obviously not every player has to be a burner but its his touch and his ability to keep things moving in the right direction (got im so sick of seeing him constantly get into good positions only to have to trap the ball starting to dribble backwards to look for a back pass or an outside of the right foot on the ground pass inside because he just can't do anything else). He doesn't have the creativity or technique to fit into Aquilani's style of play. And seeing as Aquilani is our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses I think we need to be adapting for the smaller sides as playing them costs us greatly.
Big games, good teams, tough competitions where we have to attack and be solid at the back he happens to be one of our best assets.
Oh, and for RW: Maxi > Kuyt
And that might even be against bigger teams but we'll have to see Maxi's work rate when he is fit and finding form.
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Kuyt can play a through ball, in fact he's played some of the most clever little through balls of any player we have over the last several years, including flicks, improvised chested one twos, etc. Kuyt IS a creative player, and he's been part of some of our best football over the last few years as well, but he needs a bit of room because he isn't fast. Why do you think that so much of our best play comes down the right flank, and so much our our play is worked down the right in general?
Kuyt's fundamental attributes I would say are more of a problem when we require a counterattacking threat, because he's slow, but there's no one who isn't to take his place, and that's really a problem with the side. He plays some of our best crosses as well, and they produced quite a few goals, especially last season where the quality of our play in general produced space and was less static. Having Kuyt on the right and a pacy, skilled winger on the left would be an ideal balance.
His touch deserts him sometimes, but only when he is in his worst form, and it is very frustrating because it slows down counters and any moves where we have space a lot. This is when he should be rested, as others have said, but it is not a constant issue.
Imo, Kuyt's biggest flaw is Rafa's use of him. It's inept silly and continuous. He has his great attributes and his bad ones. Against teams were we have to play football unless he is the striker (when Torres is out) then he has no business starting. He constantly slows down and even breaks down our attacking moves. Against these compact unadventurous sides it requires holding onto possession and then quickly launching sharp poignant attacks. The games that we have been struggling in for 2 years against the fodder has a direct connection to Dirk Kuyt, Lucas, Masch, Yossi on the left, Aurelio, Dossena(thank god he's gone) playing in the midfield. Its all too predictable, too narrow and too repetitive our attacking style. Dirk Kuyt mr. can't cross or take on a player or trap a ball consistently, or play an through ball consistently needs to be given his rest during these games. He's a monster to deal with for teams that are trying to play us properly because they have to worry about him offensively, defensively and everywhere. Against a 10 man defense, i'd say the scouting report on dirk is easy, Force him wide right and get onto him as he gets possession cause his first touch is up for grabs.
And I don't think Kuyt's lack of pace is his biggest footballing issue either. Cause obviously not every player has to be a burner but its his touch and his ability to keep things moving in the right direction (got im so sick of seeing him constantly get into good positions only to have to trap the ball starting to dribble backwards to look for a back pass or an outside of the right foot on the ground pass inside because he just can't do anything else). He doesn't have the creativity or technique to fit into Aquilani's style of play. And seeing as Aquilani is our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses I think we need to be adapting for the smaller sides as playing them costs us greatly.
Big games, good teams, tough competitions where we have to attack and be solid at the back he happens to be one of our best assets.
Oh, and for RW: Maxi > Kuyt
And that might even be against bigger teams but we'll have to see Maxi's work rate when he is fit and finding form.
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Kuyt can play a through ball, in fact he's played some of the most clever little through balls of any player we have over the last several years, including flicks, improvised chested one twos, etc. Kuyt IS a creative player, and he's been part of some of our best football over the last few years as well, but he needs a bit of room because he isn't fast. Why do you think that so much of our best play comes down the right flank, and so much our our play is worked down the right in general?
Kuyt's fundamental attributes I would say are more of a problem when we require a counterattacking threat, because he's slow, but there's no one who isn't to take his place, and that's really a problem with the side. He plays some of our best crosses as well, and they produced quite a few goals, especially last season where the quality of our play in general produced space and was less static. Having Kuyt on the right and a pacy, skilled winger on the left would be an ideal balance.
His touch deserts him sometimes, but only when he is in his worst form, and it is very frustrating because it slows down counters and any moves where we have space a lot. This is when he should be rested, as others have said, but it is not a constant issue.
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=38822.msg1051435#msg1051435 date=1265657453]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051432#msg1051432 date=1265657330]
And seemingly Aquaman has become "our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses" because he's had one assist.
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You ever watch Italian football.
I'm sure the answer is no for the exact reason Aquilani is great against tight defenses, because the Serie A has a lot of well coached, very stingy defenses.
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How does Maxi fit into this equation. I'd love for you to explain.
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38822.msg1051432#msg1051432 date=1265657330]
And seemingly Aquaman has become "our resident expert at breaking down tight defenses" because he's had one assist.
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You ever watch Italian football.
I'm sure the answer is no for the exact reason Aquilani is great against tight defenses, because the Serie A has a lot of well coached, very stingy defenses.
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How does Maxi fit into this equation. I'd love for you to explain.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=38822.msg1051438#msg1051438 date=1265657582]
Kuyt can play a through ball, in fact he's played some of the most clever little through balls of any player we have over the last several years, including flicks, improvised chested one twos, etc. Kuyt IS a creative player, and he's been part of some of our best football over the last few years as well, but he needs a bit of room because he isn't fast. Why do you think that so much of our best play comes down the right flank, and so much our our play is worked down the right in general?
Kuyt's fundamental attributes I would say are more of a problem when we require a counterattacking threat, because he's slow, but there's no one who isn't to take his place, and that's really a problem with the side. He plays some of our best crosses as well, and they produced quite a few goals, especially last season where the quality of our play in general produced space and was less static. Having Kuyt on the right and a pacy, skilled winger on the left would be an ideal balance.
Oh and his touch is a constant problem because I have a better first touch and he is a professional footballer. Seriously some of the times I'm astonished that no one has taken him aside and worked on it (or god help him if they have).
His touch deserts him sometimes, but only when he is in his worst form, and it is very frustrating because it slows down counters and any moves where we have space a lot. This is when he should be rested, as others have said, but it is not a constant issue.
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=38822.msg1051439#msg1051439 date=1265657693]
How does Maxi fit into this equation. I'd love for you to explain.
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Always willing to listen to why someone thinks my opinion is incorrect.
I've seen Kuyt overhit the majority of through balls he tries and if just trying them is enough ok but I don't think he creates at all with his through ball. Nothing like Yossi brings when he plays on the right.
But your right that he is creative in the air and I over look a lot of that because he is stuck out on the right where most of his aerial dominance is underutilized. If he were being utilized as a target man with Torres playing off of him then it would be an asset but it doesnt work out that way.
I also know that the majority of our play comes down the center and that we rarely use the flanks to great success. When GlenJo was there holding Kuyt's hand we finally saw some width on the right side. Kuyt cuts inside a majority of the time and when he does come into a position to cross he can not put in a cross of quality to the back post of penalty area. His style is a powered pass and more often than not a FB trying to stop him from crossing succeeds. Actually calling what Kuyt does crossing makes me reconsider replying.
His touch is a constant problem because I have a better touch than him and he is a professional footballer. Sometimes I am truly astonished that no one has taken him aside and worked on it (or god help him if someone has tried).
Oh and I think Maxi would do better against tight defenses because of his touch!!!, ability to pick a pass, and he is a goal threat from distance.
Kuyt can play a through ball, in fact he's played some of the most clever little through balls of any player we have over the last several years, including flicks, improvised chested one twos, etc. Kuyt IS a creative player, and he's been part of some of our best football over the last few years as well, but he needs a bit of room because he isn't fast. Why do you think that so much of our best play comes down the right flank, and so much our our play is worked down the right in general?
Kuyt's fundamental attributes I would say are more of a problem when we require a counterattacking threat, because he's slow, but there's no one who isn't to take his place, and that's really a problem with the side. He plays some of our best crosses as well, and they produced quite a few goals, especially last season where the quality of our play in general produced space and was less static. Having Kuyt on the right and a pacy, skilled winger on the left would be an ideal balance.
Oh and his touch is a constant problem because I have a better first touch and he is a professional footballer. Seriously some of the times I'm astonished that no one has taken him aside and worked on it (or god help him if they have).
His touch deserts him sometimes, but only when he is in his worst form, and it is very frustrating because it slows down counters and any moves where we have space a lot. This is when he should be rested, as others have said, but it is not a constant issue.
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[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=38822.msg1051439#msg1051439 date=1265657693]
How does Maxi fit into this equation. I'd love for you to explain.
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Always willing to listen to why someone thinks my opinion is incorrect.
I've seen Kuyt overhit the majority of through balls he tries and if just trying them is enough ok but I don't think he creates at all with his through ball. Nothing like Yossi brings when he plays on the right.
But your right that he is creative in the air and I over look a lot of that because he is stuck out on the right where most of his aerial dominance is underutilized. If he were being utilized as a target man with Torres playing off of him then it would be an asset but it doesnt work out that way.
I also know that the majority of our play comes down the center and that we rarely use the flanks to great success. When GlenJo was there holding Kuyt's hand we finally saw some width on the right side. Kuyt cuts inside a majority of the time and when he does come into a position to cross he can not put in a cross of quality to the back post of penalty area. His style is a powered pass and more often than not a FB trying to stop him from crossing succeeds. Actually calling what Kuyt does crossing makes me reconsider replying.
His touch is a constant problem because I have a better touch than him and he is a professional footballer. Sometimes I am truly astonished that no one has taken him aside and worked on it (or god help him if someone has tried).
Oh and I think Maxi would do better against tight defenses because of his touch!!!, ability to pick a pass, and he is a goal threat from distance.
Where does the fact that Kuyt assisted and scored more for us, than Maxi did for Athletico, over the last two years fit in to all of this.
I never said he was creative in the air, I said he was creative period, he's got a great mind for the game, he sees passes, his technique is good on the pass, but average in other aspects of his game.
The idea that Kuyt is babysat by GlenJo is absurd. Any RB would LOVE to play with Kuyt, because he never leaves them that exposed, and he can create space and pass well.
I never said he was creative in the air, I said he was creative period, he's got a great mind for the game, he sees passes, his technique is good on the pass, but average in other aspects of his game.
The idea that Kuyt is babysat by GlenJo is absurd. Any RB would LOVE to play with Kuyt, because he never leaves them that exposed, and he can create space and pass well.
So against the best teams, and in bigger games, Kuyt's 'lack of technique' somehow becomes...an asset?
And you wonder why people think you're a fucking clown
And you wonder why people think you're a fucking clown
Dirk is the fucking man.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38822.msg1050971#msg1050971 date=1265582014]
A day and a half later, and I'm still making no apologies for it... If you don't rate Dirk Kuyt, you know nothing about football.
blah blah x 100
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Who doesn't rate him? Some of us, who aren't blessed with your divinely gifted knowledge of football, don't think players who struggle for long periods of time deserve to be guaranteed a starting spot unless they're Stevie or Fernando. You probably wanted him to start every league game for the period of 12 months he couldn't buy a league goal? Oh right, next excuse. You take your argument to an extreme because he's a player you've backed non-stop and he HAS become one of our most valuable players. So be it. But go on, he doesn't have poor spells. He's our bestest player ever and let's all sing kumbaya.
HA HA ... you serious? Everyone and their mother knows that Benayoun is absolute shit on the left wing. I'd rather have, and I'm being honest here, you or Aurelio or Kuyt or even Lucas on the LW than him. In fact, better to go with 10 players ... 😉
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LeTall, I actually don't know what point you're trying to make here.
Are you arguing Kuyt shouldn't be played when he's playing shit? Is that it? You seem to have a serious bee in your bonnet re Dirk mate. Maybe it's cos you made a fool out of yourself in so many threads about him over the last year or two. Whatever it is, your judgement's being clouded.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38822.msg1050971#msg1050971 date=1265582014]
A day and a half later, and I'm still making no apologies for it... If you don't rate Dirk Kuyt, you know nothing about football.
blah blah x 100
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Who doesn't rate him? Some of us, who aren't blessed with your divinely gifted knowledge of football, don't think players who struggle for long periods of time deserve to be guaranteed a starting spot unless they're Stevie or Fernando. You probably wanted him to start every league game for the period of 12 months he couldn't buy a league goal? Oh right, next excuse. You take your argument to an extreme because he's a player you've backed non-stop and he HAS become one of our most valuable players. So be it. But go on, he doesn't have poor spells. He's our bestest player ever and let's all sing kumbaya.
HA HA ... you serious? Everyone and their mother knows that Benayoun is absolute shit on the left wing. I'd rather have, and I'm being honest here, you or Aurelio or Kuyt or even Lucas on the LW than him. In fact, better to go with 10 players ... 😉
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LeTall, I actually don't know what point you're trying to make here.
Are you arguing Kuyt shouldn't be played when he's playing shit? Is that it? You seem to have a serious bee in your bonnet re Dirk mate. Maybe it's cos you made a fool out of yourself in so many threads about him over the last year or two. Whatever it is, your judgement's being clouded.
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