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[quote author=Pesam link=topic=42443.msg1206715#msg1206715 date=1288175210]
I've never been an advocate of "buying British" as a priority but as i've seen very little European football recently my 3 are all British.

Gareth Bale £30m
Andy Carroll £15m
Adam Johnson £20m (City will struggle to keep him happy as Milner & Silva seem to be the wide men of choice).

The formation below would allow us to attack on so many fronts, with the wide men able to swing in crosses for Carroll or cut in themselves as they like to and shoot or feed Torres. All the while Gerrard and Meireles are beavering down the middle, linking up with nando.

---------------------------------------Pepe------------------------------------

G. Johnson------------Skrtel---------------------Agger--------------Carra

A. Johnson-------------Gerrard-------------Meireles-------------Bale

--------------------------Carroll---------------Torres--------------------

League Champions 2011.
[/quote]

This is a genuinely poor post.

Firstly, its founded on a basic untruth (Johnson - "City will struggle to keep him happy as Milner & Silva seem to be the wide men of choice&quot😉 errrrr, really?

Secondly what the fuck has Carroll done to date to suggest he is going to go on and become anywhere near as prolific as Aldridge? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only chance he has on current ability of outscoring JA is if he does get sent down, and gets picked in Strangeways F wing XI

Lastly, Bale is NEVER going to be allowed to leave for us by Harry Redknapp. Ever. Under any circumstances. At all. Never ever.

Apart from that, 3 excellent suggestions.
 
Yeah, Bent's goalscoring stats are excellent, which is why I chose him at the beginning. Plus he knows the league and is English, and would almost certainly want to sign for us.

Only problem is that, at 26, his potential resale value may not be all that high. Ditto with Defoe, Michel Bastos and Lisandro: these are players we should have signed a couple of years ago really.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42443.msg1207643#msg1207643 date=1288338384]
That's an excellent point, and just shows how these figures can be misleading.

Rushie didnt start that great, but was playing well enough to consider himself worthy of a raise.

Paisley told him he wasnt worth a raise since he was there to get goals and he wasn getting enough to justify a raise.

Also told him he had to be more selfish in front of goal to be worth anything to the club.

That lit a fire under his arse and the rest was history.

So much of a footballer's quality is in physical and mental strength, and in determination and will.

These numbers can't show that.


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Absolutely.

As an aside, too often you hear how a player needs an "arm put round him" or a "kick up the arse" - in Rushies case you see the benefit of a manager/ coach who can do both.

The club helped him settle in and tried to take the pressure off him, then when the time came, gave him an almighty fucking rocket and told him to get it together. Sweet.
 
I think Rushie struggled and didnt score in his 1st 6 games if I remember correctly? remember the fact i mean i was 2 at the time!

Cant remember who this advice was too but it was a cracker from Paisley... 'If your ever find yourself in the box and cant decide what to do with the ball, put it in the back of the net and we will discuss the options later'.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42443.msg1207647#msg1207647 date=1288338667]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=42443.msg1206715#msg1206715 date=1288175210]
I've never been an advocate of "buying British" as a priority but as i've seen very little European football recently my 3 are all British.

Gareth Bale £30m
Andy Carroll £15m
Adam Johnson £20m (City will struggle to keep him happy as Milner & Silva seem to be the wide men of choice).

The formation below would allow us to attack on so many fronts, with the wide men able to swing in crosses for Carroll or cut in themselves as they like to and shoot or feed Torres. All the while Gerrard and Meireles are beavering down the middle, linking up with nando.

---------------------------------------Pepe------------------------------------

G. Johnson------------Skrtel---------------------Agger--------------Carra

A. Johnson-------------Gerrard-------------Meireles-------------Bale

--------------------------Carroll---------------Torres--------------------

League Champions 2011.
[/quote]

This is a genuinely poor post.

Firstly, its founded on a basic untruth (Johnson - "City will struggle to keep him happy as Milner & Silva seem to be the wide men of choice&quot😉 errrrr, really?

Secondly what the fuck has Carroll done to date to suggest he is going to go on and become anywhere near as prolific as Aldridge? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only chance he has on current ability of outscoring JA is if he does get sent down, and gets picked in Strangeways F wing XI

Lastly, Bale is NEVER going to be allowed to leave for us by Harry Redknapp. Ever. Under any circumstances. At all. Never ever.

Apart from that, 3 excellent suggestions.
[/quote]

Spurs will sell Bale in the next two years, just like they sold Carrick, Berbatov, Keane and others. Bet you anything. They're quite pragmatic when it comes to being offered huge sums of money. If we could afford that money, and if Bale wanted to play for us, then Spurs would sell to us.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42443.msg1207654#msg1207654 date=1288338951]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42443.msg1207647#msg1207647 date=1288338667]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=42443.msg1206715#msg1206715 date=1288175210]
I've never been an advocate of "buying British" as a priority but as i've seen very little European football recently my 3 are all British.

Gareth Bale £30m
Andy Carroll £15m
Adam Johnson £20m (City will struggle to keep him happy as Milner & Silva seem to be the wide men of choice).

The formation below would allow us to attack on so many fronts, with the wide men able to swing in crosses for Carroll or cut in themselves as they like to and shoot or feed Torres. All the while Gerrard and Meireles are beavering down the middle, linking up with nando.

---------------------------------------Pepe------------------------------------

G. Johnson------------Skrtel---------------------Agger--------------Carra

A. Johnson-------------Gerrard-------------Meireles-------------Bale

--------------------------Carroll---------------Torres--------------------

League Champions 2011.
[/quote]

This is a genuinely poor post.

Firstly, its founded on a basic untruth (Johnson - "City will struggle to keep him happy as Milner & Silva seem to be the wide men of choice&quot😉 errrrr, really?

Secondly what the fuck has Carroll done to date to suggest he is going to go on and become anywhere near as prolific as Aldridge? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only chance he has on current ability of outscoring JA is if he does get sent down, and gets picked in Strangeways F wing XI

Lastly, Bale is NEVER going to be allowed to leave for us by Harry Redknapp. Ever. Under any circumstances. At all. Never ever.

Apart from that, 3 excellent suggestions.
[/quote]

Spurs will sell Bale in the next two years, just like they sold Carrick, Berbatov, Keane and others. Bet you anything. They're quite pragmatic when it comes to being offered huge sums of money. If we could afford that money, and if Bale wanted to play for us, then Spurs would sell to us.
[/quote]



Not.

A.

Chance.
 
I wanted us to sign Bent when he was at Ipswich. I still want us to sign him now. 26 might not have much resale value but if he worked out he still has 5 seasons at the top of his game.
 
I wouldn't have signed him in his Ipswich days. I saw him live a couple of times then and he was quick, but very raw and nowhere near the consistent goal threat that he's become since. Like you I'd be happy for us to sign him now, but I can't see him agreeing to be second fiddle to Torres (or anybody else for that matter), even though he'd probably play quite a few games anyway if he did come here.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42443.msg1207657#msg1207657 date=1288339052]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42443.msg1207654#msg1207654 date=1288338951]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42443.msg1207647#msg1207647 date=1288338667]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=42443.msg1206715#msg1206715 date=1288175210]
I've never been an advocate of "buying British" as a priority but as i've seen very little European football recently my 3 are all British.

Gareth Bale £30m
Andy Carroll £15m
Adam Johnson £20m (City will struggle to keep him happy as Milner & Silva seem to be the wide men of choice).

The formation below would allow us to attack on so many fronts, with the wide men able to swing in crosses for Carroll or cut in themselves as they like to and shoot or feed Torres. All the while Gerrard and Meireles are beavering down the middle, linking up with nando.

---------------------------------------Pepe------------------------------------

G. Johnson------------Skrtel---------------------Agger--------------Carra

A. Johnson-------------Gerrard-------------Meireles-------------Bale

--------------------------Carroll---------------Torres--------------------

League Champions 2011.
[/quote]

This is a genuinely poor post.

Firstly, its founded on a basic untruth (Johnson - "City will struggle to keep him happy as Milner & Silva seem to be the wide men of choice&quot😉 errrrr, really?

Secondly what the fuck has Carroll done to date to suggest he is going to go on and become anywhere near as prolific as Aldridge? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only chance he has on current ability of outscoring JA is if he does get sent down, and gets picked in Strangeways F wing XI

Lastly, Bale is NEVER going to be allowed to leave for us by Harry Redknapp. Ever. Under any circumstances. At all. Never ever.

Apart from that, 3 excellent suggestions.
[/quote]

Spurs will sell Bale in the next two years, just like they sold Carrick, Berbatov, Keane and others. Bet you anything. They're quite pragmatic when it comes to being offered huge sums of money. If we could afford that money, and if Bale wanted to play for us, then Spurs would sell to us.
[/quote]



Not.

A.

Chance.
[/quote]

Not in their current position, but give them a shit season and no CL football and they'll be back to square one of being an also ran. Not saying they'll sell to us though or that we're in any position to attract Bale, but it's likely that they'll sell him should a big offer come in in the next few years, from a team like United, City or Chelsea.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42443.msg1207647#msg1207647 date=1288338667]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=42443.msg1206715#msg1206715 date=1288175210]
I've never been an advocate of "buying British" as a priority but as i've seen very little European football recently my 3 are all British.

Gareth Bale £30m
Andy Carroll £15m
Adam Johnson £20m (City will struggle to keep him happy as Milner & Silva seem to be the wide men of choice).

The formation below would allow us to attack on so many fronts, with the wide men able to swing in crosses for Carroll or cut in themselves as they like to and shoot or feed Torres. All the while Gerrard and Meireles are beavering down the middle, linking up with nando.

---------------------------------------Pepe------------------------------------

G. Johnson------------Skrtel---------------------Agger--------------Carra

A. Johnson-------------Gerrard-------------Meireles-------------Bale

--------------------------Carroll---------------Torres--------------------

League Champions 2011.
[/quote]

This is a genuinely poor post.

Firstly, its founded on a basic untruth (Johnson - "City will struggle to keep him happy as Milner & Silva seem to be the wide men of choice&quot😉 errrrr, really?

Secondly what the fuck has Carroll done to date to suggest he is going to go on and become anywhere near as prolific as Aldridge? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only chance he has on current ability of outscoring JA is if he does get sent down, and gets picked in Strangeways F wing XI

Lastly, Bale is NEVER going to be allowed to leave for us by Harry Redknapp. Ever. Under any circumstances. At all. Never ever.

Apart from that, 3 excellent suggestions.
[/quote]

FFS grjt stop being such a prat, the thread is about wishlists not realistic expectations of who might sign. The clue was the first post in which Bunnyman hypothesised about us having £75m to spend - Do we have £75m to spend? No, ergo I'm allowed chose who the fuck I want.

We don't need another Aldridge, we have a natural predator in Torres, what we need is someone to unburden him and batter some defenders about to make more space for Torres.

Carroll will never be prolific but is capable of scoring 15 or so goals for a top 4 team BUT he would make loads more goals for Nando and the rest of the team.

I could have chosen a Bent or a Defoe type (i.e. a goalscorer) but I'd rather chose someone who might complement Nando.
 
I have my doubts about that, tbh.

The Spurs of today is not the Spurs of before.

Both Spurs and Citeh think they're the new challengers in the Big 4, Liverpool having fallen by the wayside.

Both have money, and both will want to build on their squad strengths (of which both are far superior to ours)
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42443.msg1207667#msg1207667 date=1288339786]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42443.msg1207657#msg1207657 date=1288339052]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42443.msg1207654#msg1207654 date=1288338951]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42443.msg1207647#msg1207647 date=1288338667]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=42443.msg1206715#msg1206715 date=1288175210]
I've never been an advocate of "buying British" as a priority but as i've seen very little European football recently my 3 are all British.

Gareth Bale £30m
Andy Carroll £15m
Adam Johnson £20m (City will struggle to keep him happy as Milner & Silva seem to be the wide men of choice).

The formation below would allow us to attack on so many fronts, with the wide men able to swing in crosses for Carroll or cut in themselves as they like to and shoot or feed Torres. All the while Gerrard and Meireles are beavering down the middle, linking up with nando.

---------------------------------------Pepe------------------------------------

G. Johnson------------Skrtel---------------------Agger--------------Carra

A. Johnson-------------Gerrard-------------Meireles-------------Bale

--------------------------Carroll---------------Torres--------------------

League Champions 2011.
[/quote]

This is a genuinely poor post.

Firstly, its founded on a basic untruth (Johnson - "City will struggle to keep him happy as Milner & Silva seem to be the wide men of choice&quot😉 errrrr, really?

Secondly what the fuck has Carroll done to date to suggest he is going to go on and become anywhere near as prolific as Aldridge? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only chance he has on current ability of outscoring JA is if he does get sent down, and gets picked in Strangeways F wing XI

Lastly, Bale is NEVER going to be allowed to leave for us by Harry Redknapp. Ever. Under any circumstances. At all. Never ever.

Apart from that, 3 excellent suggestions.
[/quote]

Spurs will sell Bale in the next two years, just like they sold Carrick, Berbatov, Keane and others. Bet you anything. They're quite pragmatic when it comes to being offered huge sums of money. If we could afford that money, and if Bale wanted to play for us, then Spurs would sell to us.
[/quote]



Not.

A.

Chance.
[/quote]

Not in their current position, but give them a shit season and no CL football and they'll be back to square one of being an also ran. Not saying they'll sell to us though or that we're in any position to attract Bale, but it's likely that they'll sell him should a big offer come in in the next few years, from a team like United, City or Chelsea.
[/quote]

Understand Mark - but wasnt the original premise based on 3 players (our modern day Aldridge, Barnes and Beardsley) who were going to come in and have as profound effect?

We have to at least have an angle to get hold of them, or the discussion (per Pesam pre mini spazz out) becomes "who are your 3 favourite players that you'd like us to sign". Cue Messi, Ibra and Eto chat..........................

I'd like to think we could get:
Defour
Sakho
Iaquinta

I'd want to get:
Gourcuff
Schweinsteiger
Lahm
 
Yeah soz mate, I misunderstood your reply, I just meant I think Spurs are still the same, they'll still let him go in the next couple of years should a big offer come in. Alot of it is down to the player anyway.

Regards the realistic slant, I'd take your three of Defour, Sakho and Iaquinta.
 
Young the new Barnes
Bent the new Aldridge
Carew the new errrr Beardsley? Well we have Cole and Gerrard for in the hole so ill go...
Banega the new Whelan instead.
 
[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=42443.msg1207596#msg1207596 date=1288312330]
Right, so instead of twiddling my thumbs in the office, I tried to imagine how the stattos in NESV would look at stats for a striker. There's no getting away from the goals per game ratio, I thought.

Young David Ngog has had an (less than) average start to his career with us: 18 goals in 69 games, or 0.26 goals per game. But his premier league record, ignoring the fact that he’s brought on mostly as a substitute is appalling: 8 in 43, or 0.18.

Surely it doesn’t take much to better that? So I had a look at some strikers in the same league and their stats for their present clubs in the PL only. The usual caveats apply.

Bendtner has been touted by the usual suspect, so how does his record fare? 21 goals in 83 games, or 0.253.

Andy Carroll – 8 goals in 37 games, or 0.258.

Kenwyne Jones – 26 in 94 games, or 0.276.

Pavlychenko – 13 in 52, or 0.25.

Jermaine Defoe – 64 in 181, or 0.353.

Yak – 24 in 67, or 0.358.

John Carew – 37 in 102, 0.36.

Darren Bent – 29 in 47, or 0.617.

Interestingly, in recent memory, the minimum standards we expected of our strikers before shipping them out, were Robbie Keane – 5 in 19 for us, or 0.263. Peter Crouch had 22 in 85 (0.258).
[/quote]

I would disagree, ratios are fine for showing the quality of a striker, provided the sample sizes are big enough, but if you're looking at value provided by a striker to team the only stat that matters is goals. And league goals is the gold standard.

In terms of value for money if you take the number of league goals then factor in transfer fee and wages and come up with a figure for cost per goal you can see the cost of injuries. You could then probably argue that Darren Bent is a better signing than Torres on that basis.
 
You couldn't possibly make that argument because scoring goals and playing well for a top 4 team (we were not so long ago) is different to doing it for a mid-table side.
 
Scoring goals is scoring goals, and if anything shouldn't it be easier when surrounded by better players like torres was for the last few years compared to bent?

I know someone will take this, incorrectly, as me arguing Bent is better than Torres but I'm not. He's slightly better value for money since Torres has played around half of our league games in the past two seasons.
 
Think you meant yaya, but anyway good point.

[quote author=Pesam link=topic=42443.msg1207630#msg1207630 date=1288336989]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42443.msg1207614#msg1207614 date=1288325144]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=42443.msg1207604#msg1207604 date=1288320901]

As I said, current players are way, way overvalued. 3.6M from 1987 is less than 13M today in real terms.


[/quote]

But you can't do a simple black and white comparison mate.

Football of 1987 isn't the fucking booming industry that it is today.
[/quote]


Trufax, Emlyn Hughes was the top earning player in 1980 and he was on £390 per week which was 5 times the national average! I would guess Kolo Toure (bizarrely) is the top earner currently, I think he's on £220,000 which is about 500 times the average weekly wage in the country.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42443.msg1207703#msg1207703 date=1288343196]
Think you meant yaya, but anyway good point.

[quote author=Pesam link=topic=42443.msg1207630#msg1207630 date=1288336989]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42443.msg1207614#msg1207614 date=1288325144]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=42443.msg1207604#msg1207604 date=1288320901]

As I said, current players are way, way overvalued. 3.6M from 1987 is less than 13M today in real terms.


[/quote]

But you can't do a simple black and white comparison mate.

Football of 1987 isn't the fucking booming industry that it is today.
[/quote]


Trufax, Emlyn Hughes was the top earning player in 1980 and he was on £390 per week which was 5 times the national average! I would guess Kolo Toure (bizarrely) is the top earner currently, I think he's on £220,000 which is about 500 times the average weekly wage in the country.
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Haha, yeah Yaya.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42443.msg1207674#msg1207674 date=1288340370]

Understand Mark - but wasnt the original premise based on 3 players (our modern day Aldridge, Barnes and Beardsley) who were going to come in and have as profound effect?

We have to at least have an angle to get hold of them, or the discussion (per Pesam pre mini spazz out) becomes "who are your 3 favourite players that you'd like us to sign". Cue Messi, Ibra and Eto chat..........................

I'd like to think we could get:
Defour
Sakho
Iaquinta

I'd want to get:
Gourcuff
Schweinsteiger
Lahm


[/quote]

Sakho is a left back, isn't he? Or am i getting confused with some other Sakho?
 
Crown Prince Frederik is more of a sailorman than a footballer. Bad suggestion.

Anyways when the usual suspects on here starts to bark on about how poor Bendtner is and how on earth I can even thing about suggesting him I'd expect complete an utter annihilation on these boards when someone suggest Ia-fookin-quinta.

O
M
G

I've seen quite a bit of him for both Juve and Italy and I must say he's exactly the type of player we should stay well clear off. Not only isn't he very good he's 30-years-old and as we all know foreign players in their 30s will NOT find it easy to cope with the Premiership. Probably the worst suggestion on here for quite some time. Well done.

I'd take the likes of Rodallega or Jerome over him any day of the week. Actually perhaps we shold be looking their way after all we'll probably not buy a striker to start alongside Torres anyways. As back-ups they'll be rather interesting bets.
 
Cardozo is apparently another player we're looking at.

He's big and strong and shoots like a horse can kick. A good setpiece-taker as well.

Probably not too shabby.
 
Cameron Jerome over Iaquinta, and Bendtner as not only a realistic target for us, but a possible saviour......?



You just relinquished any rights you may have thought you had to have an opinion on anything, ever.
 
I like Cardozo. I have more hope in a player coming from Portugese league as well.

I can be happy with that. How much will he go for?
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42443.msg1207757#msg1207757 date=1288350266]
Cameron Jerome over Iaquinta, and Bendtner as not only a realistic target for us, but a possible saviour......?



You just relinquished any rights you may have thought you had to have an opinion on anything, ever.
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Iaquinta is by a mile the worst suggestion I've read on here for some time.

Seriously bad.

Jerome over Iaquinta any day of the week. 6-years younger than the ol Italian never-has-been-anything-really and with a scoring record of 1 in every three games. Why would anyone suggest a 30-year-old Italien who's never played anywhere but back home and never really done anything of note??

If your Arsenal-supporting friends are on the same wave-length as you are then no wonder they don't rate one of their potential world class players.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42443.msg1207757#msg1207757 date=1288350266]
Cameron Jerome over Iaquinta, and Bendtner as not only a realistic target for us, but a possible saviour......?


You just relinquished any rights you may have thought you had to have an opinion on anything, ever.
[/quote]
Don't make things up.

First off I've never once called him 'possible saviour of anything' and second it's not even very realistic that he'll ever come to Liverpool. Is this thread about beeing realistic?

Is that why you're suggesting Iaquinta?
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42443.msg1207764#msg1207764 date=1288350688]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42443.msg1207757#msg1207757 date=1288350266]
Cameron Jerome over Iaquinta, and Bendtner as not only a realistic target for us, but a possible saviour......?



You just relinquished any rights you may have thought you had to have an opinion on anything, ever.
[/quote]
Iaquinta is by a mile the worst suggestion I've read on here for some time.

Seriously bad.

Jerome over Iaquinta any day of the week. 6-years younger than the ol Italian never-has-been-anything-really and with a scoring record of 1 in every three games. Why would anyone suggest a 30-year-old Italien who's never played anywhere but back home and never really done anything of note??

If your Arsenal-supporting friends are on the same wave-length as you are then no wonder they don't rate one of their potential world class players.
[/quote]

Hahahahahahaha!


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
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