IF Rafa get the Inter job...

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[quote author=Richey link=topic=40514.msg1116334#msg1116334 date=1276090295]
He can at least do the decent thing and take Aquilani with him!
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If he had played Aqualani more often he would have done his job more properly. Aquaman is a very good player, but as we all know, Rafa thought he risked loosing if he played Aqualani.
 
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=40514.msg1116334#msg1116334 date=1276090295]
He can at least do the decent thing and take Aquilani with him!
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If he had played Aqualani more often he would have done his job more properly. Aquaman is a very good player, but as we all know, Rafa thought he risked loosing if he played Aqualani.
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Or... Acqualini had a certain skill set and after injury problems was deemed "not ready" for the "rough & tumble" of the Premiership.

The thing is, his type of player , coming in to a team playing as poorl;y as we were, was not going to help his performances or mentality in the long run.

There is a certain perverse logic behind Benitez' usage of Acqualini.... although it didn't do us or him any good in the short term.
 
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=40514.msg1116334#msg1116334 date=1276090295]
He can at least do the decent thing and take Aquilani with him!
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If he had played Aqualani more often he would have done his job more properly. Aquaman is a very good player, but as we all know, Rafa thought he risked loosing if he played Aqualani.
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Or... Acqualini had a certain skill set and after injury problems was deemed "not ready" for the "rough & tumble" of the Premiership.

The thing is, his type of player , coming in to a team playing as poorl;y as we were, was not going to help his performances or mentality in the long run.

There is a certain perverse logic behind Benitez' usage of Acqualini.... although it didn't do us or him any good in the short term.
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Ha! One player's name spelt differently by three successive posters!

I do agree with you though actually. I think if we had been doing well then Aquilani might have come in with time to settle and shown more of what he can undoubtedly do. Problem was that we were never going to do better without more quality in midfield, so it was a bit of a no-win situation.

The situation was of course created by Benitez himself by buying him and not seeing the potential problem but that's another issue.

A more cynical view would be that Benitez didn't want to throw him in and see him potentially disappoint because he knew he couldn't risk another transfer flop on his CV, though of course that is what happened anyway
 
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[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=40514.msg1115355#msg1115355 date=1275956074]
... I will be asking everybody who claims that he had (and retains) an unquenchable love and respect for all things LFC and the city itself, how exactly he demonstrated that devotion by taking 6 million quid that we don't have to waste off us a matter of mere days before signing a multi-year, multi-million Euro deal elsewhere.

IF he does that, it will show me EXACTLY how much Rafa loves and respects Liverpool Football Club.
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Wow, so if someone asked you to take 6 mill and leave a job you loved quietly you would not go????

Puhlease!!!!!!!


Rafa is gone, he did his best, let him be already...

He earned the money and deserved it, so let it go already...

He could have said screw you I want all the money, and stayed, but he left , so you should be really happy...
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If I truly LOVED the job, was already filthy rich, was about to get filthy-er rich at my new gig and the job I LOVED didn't have $6 never mind $6million to waste, then yes I f#$!ing would.


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Easier said than done...

This is a little snippet from tha Mirror article from this morning...

The sacked Reds manager has decided to forgo a large part of his own compensation from Liverpool - which will only be paid if he remains unemployed - by agreeing to join the Italian side so swiftly.


Hmm... sounds to me like he is not trying to fleece the club...

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-could-break-even-on-Rafa-Benitez-sacking-following-Inter-Milan-move-article453359.html
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You asked me a direct question. I answered it. There's no "easier said than done" about it.

You would worship Rafa if you came home and discovered him mounting your wife and stealing your car... Your "he'll win more than Jose" line a few posts down the line prove that.

I say that, by taking money he didn't need to take, from a club he claims to love and respect, that he above all others knows doesn't have two brass farthings to rub together, he is fleecing the club and proving (to me) that he does not love the club at all. Otherwise he'd not hurt our ability to improve from this position by reducing what little money that we do have. Particularly as a large part of the reason we performed so pathetically last season is his own performance.

"Hi there. I failed miserably and if I stay, most of our top players are likely to leave. I'll take $6m to leave, please. Because I love the club so much".
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=40514.msg1116349#msg1116349 date=1276092237]
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=40514.msg1116338#msg1116338 date=1276091007]
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=40514.msg1116334#msg1116334 date=1276090295]
He can at least do the decent thing and take Aquilani with him!
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If he had played Aqualani more often he would have done his job more properly. Aquaman is a very good player, but as we all know, Rafa thought he risked loosing if he played Aqualani.
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Or... Acqualini had a certain skill set and after injury problems was deemed "not ready" for the "rough & tumble" of the Premiership.

The thing is, his type of player , coming in to a team playing as poorl;y as we were, was not going to help his performances or mentality in the long run.

There is a certain perverse logic behind Benitez' usage of Acqualini.... although it didn't do us or him any good in the short term.
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Ha! One player's name spelt differently by three successive posters!

I do agree with you though actually. I think if we had been doing well then Aquilani might have come in with time to settle and shown more of what he can undoubtedly do. Problem was that we were never going to do better without more quality in midfield, so it was a bit of a no-win situation.

The situation was of course created by Benitez himself by buying him and not seeing the potential problem but that's another issue.

A more cynical view would be that Benitez didn't want to throw him in and see him potentially disappoint because he knew he couldn't risk another transfer flop on his CV, though of course that is what happened anyway
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If we were doing well, there wouldnt have been neccesary to change much around. But when we were clearly not doing well Aquilani could have come to offer us something we lacked. We were is certain games throwing El Zahr on head of him for gods sake... The games Aquilani played he was very much involved inside the box and he allways came to a ceretain amount of chances. He handled the premiership well when given the chance. However for Rafa the main point was that our midfield should first and foremost sit low ahead of our defence to protect them.
 
I dont know how some people continue to spell his name wrong, its not hard to spell AQUILANI =s anyway he is a good player, and if he is played next season then we have a great player on our hands. It'll be like a new signing
 
Inter Milan hope a bid of £33million will be enough to prise Javier Mascherano and Dirk Kuyt from Liverpool.

The Italians have finalised an agreement for Rafa Benitez to be their next manager and will present him at the San Siro as soon as the Spaniard cuts short his holiday.

And the 50-year-old, who knows all about the financial constraints at Anfield, is ready to raid his former club for trusted allies.

While there is an interest in Fernando Torres, Inter acknowlege that competing with Chelsea would make it difficult to sign the Spain striker.

Mascherano and Kuyt, however, are more achievable signings and are thought to be open to teaming up with their former boss.

Kuyt was quick to praise the man who took him from Feyenoord to Anfield earlier this week, saying: 'I don’t know for sure who is going to be in charge at Inter, but Benitez is a fantastic coach and would be a great choice for them.

'Working with him is perfect and I am grateful for all he did for me. I was delighted when he asked me to join him at Liverpool, and while we were together, he gave me a lot of good suggestions about how I could improve my game.

'He was good for my career. I have read a lot about what might happen now, if he goes to Inter, but I am just concentrating on the World Cup.

'That is important, because I want to have a good tournament. I have a contract with Liverpool, and I have to respect that, because they are a big club and have been good to me.'

Yes, I'm leaving Liverpool: Dirk Kuyt is wanted by old boss Rafa Benitez
Mascherano pondered a move to Barcelona last summer but has since insisted he is happy at Liverpool.

However, the commitment has not been reciprocated by an acceptable new contract offer and talks with the Reds have been shelved until after the World Cup.

Barcelona are also interested in the Argentina captain but are also looking at cheaper alternatives for the holding role vacancy about to be created by Yaya Toure leaving for either Arsenal or Manchester City.

Tottenham's Wilson Palacios is among those who Barca are considering as an alternative to targeting Mascherano.

Meanwhile, Inter have put aside £25m to move for Valencia and Spain midfielder David Silva, who is also a target for Manchester City and Real Madrid, but is said to be keen to join up again with the manager who brought him through at the Mestalla.

Meanwhile, Benitez's three-year contract at the San Siro is reported to be worth £65,000 a week - less than half of what Inter paid Jose Mourinho.

The European champions were turned down by England boss Fabio Capello, Barcelona's Pep Guardiola and Turkey's former Chelsea chief Guus Hiddink before turning to the man who led Liverpool to seventh in the Barclays Premier League last season.
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=40514.msg1116194#msg1116194 date=1276075189]
Glen Johnson for €15. We paid 17million last year for him FFS.
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17 million pounds, which is the fee we agreed for Magic (we haven't actually paid it all yet), is roughly twice as much as 15 mill.euros. They'd have to open the bidding at 30 million euros just to get me to listen, and I wouldn't sell him for that either.
 
And the 50-year-old, who knows all about the financial constraints at Anfield, is ready to raid his former club for trusted allies.

WHERE'S THE FUCKING LUCAS BID?

You fucking trusted him for the whole of the last season which went doen the fucking shitter!

BUY LUCAS!!!!
 
[quote author=Irish_Red link=topic=40514.msg1116392#msg1116392 date=1276094236]

The Italians have finalised an agreement for Rafa Benitez to be their next manager and will present him at the San Siro as soon as the Spaniard cuts short his holiday.


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Fucking hell, is there is nothing that he isn't cautious about?? I would have thought cutting short your holiday just in itself suggests a certain amount of urgency.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40514.msg1116414#msg1116414 date=1276095287]
And the 50-year-old, who knows all about the financial constraints at Anfield, is ready to raid his former club for trusted allies.

WHERE'S THE FUCKING LUCAS BID?

You fucking trusted him for the whole of the last season which went doen the fucking shitter!

BUY LUCAS!!!!


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Im quite confident the next manager wont play Lucas if he's still with us
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40514.msg1116088#msg1116088 date=1276067546]
Taking Pellegrino with him is a blessing in disguise.
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Worst. Disguise. Ever.
 
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[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=40514.msg1115355#msg1115355 date=1275956074]
... I will be asking everybody who claims that he had (and retains) an unquenchable love and respect for all things LFC and the city itself, how exactly he demonstrated that devotion by taking 6 million quid that we don't have to waste off us a matter of mere days before signing a multi-year, multi-million Euro deal elsewhere.

IF he does that, it will show me EXACTLY how much Rafa loves and respects Liverpool Football Club.
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Wow, so if someone asked you to take 6 mill and leave a job you loved quietly you would not go????

Puhlease!!!!!!!


Rafa is gone, he did his best, let him be already...

He earned the money and deserved it, so let it go already...

He could have said screw you I want all the money, and stayed, but he left , so you should be really happy...
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If I truly LOVED the job, was already filthy rich, was about to get filthy-er rich at my new gig and the job I LOVED didn't have $6 never mind $6million to waste, then yes I f#$!ing would.


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Easier said than done...

This is a little snippet from tha Mirror article from this morning...

The sacked Reds manager has decided to forgo a large part of his own compensation from Liverpool - which will only be paid if he remains unemployed - by agreeing to join the Italian side so swiftly.


Hmm... sounds to me like he is not trying to fleece the club...

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-could-break-even-on-Rafa-Benitez-sacking-following-Inter-Milan-move-article453359.html
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You asked me a direct question. I answered it. There's no "easier said than done" about it.

You would worship Rafa if you came home and discovered him mounting your wife and stealing your car... Your "he'll win more than Jose" line a few posts down the line prove that.

I say that, by taking money he didn't need to take, from a club he claims to love and respect, that he above all others knows doesn't have two brass farthings to rub together, he is fleecing the club and proving (to me) that he does not love the club at all. Otherwise he'd not hurt our ability to improve from this position by reducing what little money that we do have. Particularly as a large part of the reason we performed so pathetically last season is his own performance.

"Hi there. I failed miserably and if I stay, most of our top players are likely to leave. I'll take $6m to leave, please. Because I love the club so much".
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I do not worship Rafa, and Rafa is not "fleecing" the club, but you obviously think different...

The EGO won this at inter in 2 seasons...

* 2008 Supercoppa Italiana
* 2008–09 Serie A
* 2009–10 Serie A
* 2009–10 Coppa Italia
* 2009-10 UEFA Champions League

Why is it so hard to believe Rafa cannot out do that with a stable team, money for players, and his managerial skills???

That is not worship it is an opinion...

Not only that but I did not say he WOULD do it, I said I would not be surprised if he did do it.... see the difference...

Rafa is not a perfect manager, but he is a damn good one, and we have let him go and will only fill his position with a lesser caliber manager... If it works fine it works, but if it doesn't then what???

Who ever comes here will have my full support and I hope this works otherwise we will be seriously in the sh*t...
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40514.msg1116414#msg1116414 date=1276095287]
And the 50-year-old, who knows all about the financial constraints at Anfield, is ready to raid his former club for trusted allies.

WHERE'S THE FUCKING LUCAS BID?

You fucking trusted him for the whole of the last season which went doen the fucking shitter!

BUY LUCAS!!!!


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I think what you are trying to say is that if Rafa truely and deeply loved liverpool he would buy Lucas for Inter!
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40514.msg1116215#msg1116215 date=1276077840]
When Rafa took over, we were linked with the likes of Baraja, Vicente and Aimar. We instead got Pellegrino and latterly Aurelio.

I hope Inter fans see a repeat of this pattern.
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Exactly, Mourinho was linked to various Chelsea players when he went to Inter and no one was signed.

By the way, you forgot Momo.
 
Exactly, Mourinho was linked to various Chelsea players when he went to Inter and no one was signed.

By the way, you forgot Momo.

Partly because Chelsea pay the best wages in the Premiership, and were still in a very good position to win it.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40514.msg1116464#msg1116464 date=1276100065]
Exactly, Mourinho was linked to various Chelsea players when he went to Inter and no one was signed.

By the way, you forgot Momo.

Partly because Chelsea pay the best wages in the Premiership, and were still in a very good position to win it.

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It obvious that staying at Chelsea at the time was far more appealing than the state we are in now. I can't see many running to join up with Rafa again bar Masherano to be honest.
 
It obvious that staying at Chelsea at the time was far more appealing than the state we are in now. I can't see many running to join up with Rafa again bar Masherano to be honest.

That, plus Mourinho inspires more loyalty and devotion in his players than Benitez, regardless of how many decided not to join him ijn Italy
 
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[quote author=ILD link=topic=40514.msg1116194#msg1116194 date=1276075189]
Glen Johnson for €15. We paid 17million last year for him FFS.
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17 million pounds, which is the fee we agreed for Magic (we haven't actually paid it all yet), is roughly twice as much as 15 mill.euros. They'd have to open the bidding at 30 million euros just to get me to listen, and I wouldn't sell him for that either.
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17 million GBP equals about 20.5 million Euros JJ. I'm wary about selling any of our better players with the two cunts in charge as I just cannot see the money being spent on players.
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=40514.msg1115363#msg1115363 date=1275957119]
you don't HAVE to take everything you're entitled to, just because you can.
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He didn't. He took less than half of what he was entitled to.

Grow up. If he really had it out for us he would have refused a mutual termination, made them fire him, and thereby taken the entire 16m.

On a side note, what do you think would've come of that 6m if it hadn't gone to Rafa? You think it has come out of our transfer budget? The owners might use it as an excuse for the fact will be signing dumbshit mcworthless this summer, but I guarantee you we wouldn't have seen that money in the transfer budget regardless.
 
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[quote author=ILD link=topic=40514.msg1116194#msg1116194 date=1276075189]
Glen Johnson for €15. We paid 17million last year for him FFS.
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17 million pounds, which is the fee we agreed for Magic (we haven't actually paid it all yet), is roughly twice as much as 15 mill.euros. They'd have to open the bidding at 30 million euros just to get me to listen, and I wouldn't sell him for that either.
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17 million GBP equals about 20.5 million Euros JJ. I'm wary about selling any of our better players with the two cunts in charge as I just cannot see the money being spent on players.


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Oops. Your arithmetic's a lot better than mine, big man.

I agree in principle, but I'd consider it if we were offered silly money, as I'm not quite as certain as you that none of the money would go into the transfer kitty. Even those two must have seen what that kind of tightarsery did to our prospects last season, and they wouldn't now have to give the cash to Rafa.
 
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[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=40514.msg1115363#msg1115363 date=1275957119]
you don't HAVE to take everything you're entitled to, just because you can.
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He didn't. He took less than half of what he was entitled to.

Grow up. If he really had it out for us he would have refused a mutual termination, made them fire him, and thereby taken the entire 16m.

I guarantee you we wouldn't have seen that money in the transfer budget regardless
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1. Don't tell me to grow up.

2. I never said that he "had it in for us". My feeling is that he may not adore and respect us quite as much as he pretends to, not that he "has it in for us".

3. Yes, he took less than he might have, but he took more than he needed to, more than we can afford to give him, and more than his recent performance deserved.
 
Here's the Whaddapie dream scenario:

Benitez calls a press conference and admits he has been a dreadful, pitiful failure, and begs our forgiveness as he self-flagellates with a knotted LFC scarf

Then, he utters one more pain-wracked 'sorry' before opening up a huge gash in his wrist and spraying arterial blood into the faces of the assembled, horrified media, before collapsing in a bleeding puddle

That would show how much we meant to him

Whaddapie could then watch it from America when he gets up in the morning
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=40514.msg1116510#msg1116510 date=1276106493]2. I never said that he "had it in for us". My feeling is that he may not adore and respect us quite as much as he pretends to, not that he "has it in for us".
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At the end of the day, regardless of what affection he may have had for us, managing Liverpool is a job to him (as it would be to most who did not grow up idolising the club). He tried his best, things worked to an extent, he didn't realise all his goals, and he was moved on. While I hope he'll look upon his time at Liverpool fondly, I'm sure he is in the process of putting the chapter behind him as he moves on in his career.

I don't blame him at all for taking some compensation and am glad that he didn't resolve to dig in his heels and try to take it all. It showed a willingness to compromise, something he didn't always show during his tenure in charge.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40514.msg1116519#msg1116519 date=1276107936]
Here's the Whaddapie dream scenario:

Benitez calls a press conference and admits he has been a dreadful, pitiful failure, and begs our forgiveness as he self-flagellates with a knotted LFC scarf

Then, he utters one more pain-wracked 'sorry' before opening up a huge gash in his wrist and spraying arterial blood into the faces of the assembled, horrified media, before collapsing in a bleeding puddle

That would show how much we meant to him

Whaddapie could then watch it from America when he gets up in the morning
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Actually, it would also involve you and a food blender. Or a wood chipper. Whichever takes more time.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40514.msg1116519#msg1116519 date=1276107936]
Here's the Whaddapie dream scenario:

Benitez calls a press conference and admits he has been a dreadful, pitiful failure, and begs our forgiveness as he self-flagellates with a knotted LFC scarf

Then, he utters one more pain-wracked 'sorry' before opening up a huge gash in his wrist BELLY and spraying arterial blood INTESTINES into the faces of the assembled, horrified media, before collapsing in a bleeding puddle LUCAS, his kaishakunin decapitates him

That would show how much we meant to him

Whaddapie could then watch it from America when he gets up in the morning
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Fixed
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40514.msg1116534#msg1116534 date=1276109338]
Every palsied step you take in this thread makes me pity you more
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*searches site for the "oh no, that self-important, no-mark cunt is at it again" smilie.*

Don't pity me, Biffa. Spend that time writing more love letters to yourself about how much better than everybody else on the entire planet you are.

You sad prick.
 
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