I love to troll again

[Mors]

Innocent of being a racist, or innocent of using what is deemed as racist language in this country? If it's the latter, I don't think people have got a leg to stand on as he's admitted to saying the words.
What about if talking about people's noses is a hideous offence in France? Joey Barton may have found himself in deep shit by taking the piss out of Ibra, not knowing that it was such a serious offence in France, as it isn't in England.

Should what Suarez said be treated as any less of a crime as some of the abuse that's dished out on football pitches by players and fans every week? So calling someone a 'negro' once gets an 8game ban and a whopping fine, but calling someone a 'fucking white, fat, ginger, paedo bastard' is ok and passable? Didn't wilshere get a load of abuse about his kids the other weekend? And Beckham had it for years, but that's brushed under the rug.

Suarez is mental as we all know, but I think there's an underlying issue here with 'racism' in sport compared to other foul and offensive abuse, and he got caught up in it.

 

[Mystic]

I think most people will get the quote in referring to in your regard

On the balance of probability, maybe they will.

 

[Hansern]

Dismissing a post or thread as trolling/old news/boring is a lot easier than actually answering the question sometimes.

That some of you have chosen to ignore Suarez's racism cos he's playing well say's more about you than about Ross here I'm afraid.

And I'll leave up to you to work out whether I'm actually trolling here too or not? Hmmmmm...

Dont you think its more the fact that it happened over 2 years ago? Isnt it time to just let it go and move on?

 

[Rosco]

On the balance of probability, maybe they will.

I think it's a case of res ipsa loquitur myself

 

[ILD]

I can see how some people feel agrieved over the case. There was no proof provided in court. One person's word against another. Also to rub salt into the wounds, it was a case against a player from Manchester United.

Saurez's constant need to talk about it in his homeland didn't help and actually aggravated the situation.

He got eight games, the majority of people felt this punishment was very severe.

It's now over. He has served his punishment and back doing his best to improve our club and single handedly at times drag us back into the champions league.

I don't think he is innocent btw, I wouldn't put it past him to do it. i.e. using a word he knew would get a rise out of an opposition player to gain an advantage. I don't think he is racist though. Evra said the same in a letter to the FA.

We should definitely move on.

 

[Jack D Rips]

I think most of us had

 

[Hansern]

Have to say it again, if it wasn't Ross, there would be actual answers in this thread rather than kicking off about Ross starting the thread.

People are seemingly eager to say Ross is on the troll, as it's easier to say that than try to explain WHY he's "innocent", or rather why the poster doesn't agree with the outcome from the action.

He called someone a Negro in a country where it's generally frowned upon. Persistently, to try and get a rise out of an opponent.

That's generally not quite good.

Instead of going on about Ross and his precious law (not like he wrote the fucking thing), ANSWER.

Take the FA out if it. Take football out of it. If 2 people were having an argument and one decided to start saying Negro at the other. Is that an innocent act?

No, I dont think it is. He shouldnt have said it and was rightly punished for it, but I dont think he ment it with any rascitst motive. I dont think he's a rascist but it was offensive and he was rightly punished for it.
BUT, my biggest problem with this whole case is more how it was handled by the FA.
Why Evra got to see the video tape and could explain himself twice when Luis was quesitoned once without any form of help or evidence shown to him so he could explain what happended.
They had already decided he was guilty and they had already decided that he was going to be punished heavily.
It was a joke from the beginning and its a great example of how the FA just do what they want.

As I said earlier, its time to move on. Luis has and has been behaving perfectly all season.
It happened over 2 years ago and there is no point in discussing it again.
What other interesting things can we talk about that happend over 2 years ago, maybe we should set a norm about starting loads of threads about that aswell?
Konchesky, Poulsen, Hicks and Gillette and Purslow. I'll start the threads no problem.

 

[Fabio]

No, I dont think it is. He shouldnt have said it and was rightly punished for it, but I dont think he ment it with any rascitst motive. I dont think he's a rascist but it was offensive and he was rightly punished for it.
BUT, my biggest problem with this whole case is more how it was handled by the FA.
Why Evra got to see the video tape and could explain himself twice when Luis was quesitoned once without any form of help or evidence shown to him so he could explain what happended.
They had already decided he was guilty and they had already decided that he was going to be punished heavily.
It was a joke from the beginning and its a great example of how the FA just do what they want.

As I said earlier, its time to move on. Luis has and has been behaving perfectly all season.
It happened over 2 years ago and there is no point in discussing it again.
What other interesting things can we talk about that happend over 2 years ago, maybe we should set a norm about starting loads of threads about that aswell?
Konchesky, Poulsen, Hicks and Gillette and Purslow. I'll start the threads no problem.

Ross brought it up because someone mentioned he was innocent. He didn't bring it up to troll, he brought it up to find out why, after the dust has settled, people STILL believe he's innocent.

Ross never said "guilty of racism" or anything like that. He wanted to know how people thought he was innocent. Innocent implies he didn't use the words in an offensive way.

He may not have meant them in a racist way, but I'm sure he meant them in a wind up way.

 

[Piedro]

I think it's time for Piedro to drop the "i" and the "r". His cover is well and truly blown.

She's 23 actually.

She was 14 when I started dating her.

 

[jimmy]

If the people who claim he's innocent give an honest answer to the question posed by Fabio I will resign as mod.

I think that's fair isn't it Jimmy ?

I'm dying to know what's beneath the surface of these beliefs of innocence

Show me the contract first! I must read all the small letters before signing any deal with you... 😉

I don't give a shit whether or not you're resigning as mod. I think your attitude towards other posters is irritating and disrespectful too often. The act of having a personal agenda against fellow posters, some of them old enough to be your father, by starting this thread, and then arrogantly re-opening the thread after it had been locked by a fellow mod is rather disgraceful. That was my point.

Furthermore - we are not in court, and I don't understand why you feel you have the right to press people to the wall demanding them to satisfy your curiosity. That's rather childish of you.
Are you implying @Judge Jules, @Portly, @LeTallecWiz or myself are racist because we refuse to say Suarez is?
What is your point?

As for the Suarez issue - It's been done to death here and this (alongside with the issues I mentioned above) is the reason I haven't responded to your demand to answer your question. Just to put it to bed let me tell you that I believed from day one that he did use that word. What I said was that I did not think he said it with a racist intention and I was sure he was no racist. I believed at the time (and I still think so now) that he used it in the meaning it has in his native country. I have South Americans members in my family and they also use that word towards each other. He certainly wasn't aware of how bad it was regarded in the UK. BTW - Evra used an offensive word against Suarez, but nothing was made of it, because in the UK that word is not considered bad enough. And one last thing - the way this entire issue was handled by the FA is a joke (and I'm not the only one to think so).

Bottom line - I hope I clarified myself, and I'm not going to refer to this issue anymore (well, at least for now...). Take it or leave it,

Have a good day.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

She's 23 actually.

She was 14 when I started dating her.

There is NO way you could date ONE woman for 9 years. NO way.

 

[Frogfish]

None of the he's innocent brigade (who are still ludicrously clinging onto the notion) has ever provided an explanation of how he used the term negro towards Evra in a manner that he could found innocent.

There is a clear issue here with the term 'innocent'. He retaliated to verbal provocation from Evra which was in turn a retaliation to his own (Suarez's) physical & (non-racial) verbal wind-up attempts. Now since Evra used a clear racially provocative word to abuse Suarez he then replied in kind. This matter should have never left the dressing rooms after the match, which is where the referee should have brought them to heel and then left it. In this sense then neither are 'innocent'.

However you seem to be on a mission here to rub the 'Innocent Brigade's' noses in it.

If someone calls me a White Cunt and I call them a Black Bastard is that racial abuse ? We can neither deny our colour ? The words Cunt and Bastard are the actual terms of abuse. The West often goes way over the top in witch-hunts against purported racists whilst often swerving past the real racial abusers (looks towards Eastern Europe, Italy and Spain perhaps).

 

[Frogfish]

Do you know what the word innocent means ?

Yes. It means not proven beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[Modo]

She's 23 actually.

She was 14 when I started dating her.

Talk about farming.

 

[juniormember]

Ross brought it up because someone mentioned he was innocent. He didn't bring it up to troll, he brought it up to find out why, after the dust has settled, people STILL believe he's innocent.

Ross never said "guilty of racism" or anything like that. He wanted to know how people thought he was innocent. Innocent implies he didn't use the words in an offensive way.

He may not have meant them in a racist way, but I'm sure he meant them in a wind up way.

So Ross is saying that Suarez is guilty of using 'the words in an offensive way'.
Has anyone specifically said he was innocent of that?

 

[Rosco]

Thanks Jimmy.

I have to put up with an awful lot of shite every time I raise an issue - have a look at the very bland Swansea possession thread.

When people keep coming at me with accusations of trolling just because a set of facts doesn't sit with their preconceived notions it's a little frustrating.

Some of those people - look at Mystic in this thread - keep coming back with the most stupid of comments - I'm going to treat them as I find them.

If you want to act like a stupid cunt I'll treat you like one. If you want to discuss something, I'm happy to do that too.

 

[Fabio]

So Ross is saying that Suarez is guilty of using 'the words in an offensive way'.
Has anyone specifically said he was innocent of that?

No, but no one is ACTUALLY saying that.

They're deflecting on to Ross being a troll, rather than focusing on the argument presented.

 

[Frogfish]

I'm dying to know what's beneath the surface of these beliefs of innocence

I'd think that to be pretty simple to deduce and shouldn't come as any surprise, it is why this is an impossible thread ..... people's opinion of what constitutes a 'racist remark' will vary depending on their colour, country of birth and abode, environment and education.

 

[Mystic]

Thanks Jimmy.

I have to put up with an awful lot of shite every time I raise an issue - have a look at the very bland Swansea possession thread.

When people keep coming at me with accusations of trolling just because a set of facts doesn't sit with their preconceived notions it's a little frustrating.

Some of those people - look at Mystic in this thread - keep coming back with the most stupid of comments - I'm going to treat them as I find them.

If you want to act like a stupid cunt I'll treat you like one. If you want to discuss something, I'm happy to do that too.

My comments are stupid huh? You don't like people giving you pedantry, yet you're more than happy to dish it out yourself. Maybe if you stopped treating everyone like a monumental bellend, this wouldn't happen, or you know, add an ignore function. If the admin of the site is going to be the biggest wum on the site, it seems like a necessity.

 

[jimmy]

Thanks Jimmy.

I have to put up with an awful lot of shite every time I raise an issue - have a look at the very bland Swansea possession thread.

When people keep coming at me with accusations of trolling just because a set of facts doesn't sit with their preconceived notions it's a little frustrating.

Some of those people - look at Mystic in this thread - keep coming back with the most stupid of comments - I'm going to treat them as I find them.

If you want to act like a stupid cunt I'll treat you like one. If you want to discuss something, I'm happy to do that too.

I can only hope that my response classifies my with the latter...

I don't know you in person, and I obviously have nothing personal against you, and I aways try to discuss things, rather than giving stupid answers. I also believe that the 3 other posters you tagged above act similarly, so looks like you picked up the wrong partners for this specific fight.

Anyway, I hope you've read what I wrote in the first paragraphs of my post, as well as in some other posts on this thread. You are an intelligent person - please note that the way you behave to people on this forum is at times inappropriate (I'm not saying that you're breaking any of the forum rules). I come to this forum expecting more from some of the posters.

 

[Hansern]

No, but no one is ACTUALLY saying that.

They're deflecting on to Ross being a troll, rather than focusing on the argument presented.

Thats the problem when you cry wolf to many times no?

 

[Fabio]

He doesn't troll half as much as people think though.

Unpopular opinions doesn't equate trolling

 

[jimmy]

He doesn't troll half as much as people think though.

Unpopular opinions doesn't equate trolling

@Fabio, are you the lawyer's lawyer? 😉 (JOKE!!!!)

 

[Fabio]

I don't have to answer that!

 

[RedStar]

He said it
He admitted it
Hes guilty
He served his ban

There are no qualifying statements necessary about the influence of Ferguson or the vagaries of Uruguayan culture, or the burden of proof being expect to match that of a criminal trial, there really isnt very much left to be squeezed out of this topic

 

[Mamma Mia]

Ok here's a slightly more light-hearted one....

The Madam opened the brothel door to see a frail, elderly gentleman. "Can I help you?" the madam asked.
"I want Natalie," the old man replied...
"

The three best hookers I ever met were called Natalie.

 

[Piedro]

Thats the problem when you cry wolf to many times no?

Ross is hardly "The LITTLE boy who cried wolf"

 

[Hansern]

Ross is hardly "The LITTLE boy who cried wolf"

Ha!

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

Let me give you an idea of how gifted Rosco is in the art of debating.

Say, he's in prison and thrown into solitary confinement.

He'll still create enough attention to get all the other prisoners and wardens flocking to catch a glimpse of him arguing against himself inside those four walls.

Now, THAT'S undeniable talent.

 

[Richey]

Konchesky, Poulsen, Hicks and Gillette and Purslow. I'll start the threads no problem.

I don't think a thread on Konchesky would lead to much debate. At best it would simply be a string of replies saying 'he was shit', 'I concur', 'what he said' and 'this'.