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I *heart* Fernando Torres.

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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42397.msg1207083#msg1207083 date=1288216228]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=42397.msg1206767#msg1206767 date=1288180665]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42397.msg1206347#msg1206347 date=1288122128]
I'd love to see the inside of your skull Dreamy.

I imagine it to look and behave like a big bowl of lumpy stew.
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Admitting defeat so soon.

Must have been a good day at the office Ryan.
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Deafeated at what Dreamy? What the fuck are you on about?

AND STOP TYPING IN FUCKING CLICHES.
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Trying to say that Torres wasn't a winner when so clearly is.
 
Dreamy, I've barely the will to carry on with this.

I've no idea what you're talking about anymore, and 4 seperate posters have pleaded with you to stop over the last 2 days.

Take the fucking hint.
 
I bet there's no chance that we'll be able to find an oncey post that takes the almost exact opposite stance to this, and advocates selling him immediately.

That would be absurd
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42397.msg1213101#msg1213101 date=1289149250]
I bet there's no chance that we'll be able to find an oncey post that takes the almost exact opposite stance to this, and advocates selling him immediately.

That would be absurd
[/quote]I bet theres no chance of you stopping being a dull repetetive tryhard boring negative twat?
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42397.msg1213105#msg1213105 date=1289149342]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42397.msg1213101#msg1213101 date=1289149250]
I bet there's no chance that we'll be able to find an oncey post that takes the almost exact opposite stance to this, and advocates selling him immediately.

That would be absurd
[/quote]I bet theres no chance of you stopping being a dull repetetive tryhard boring negative twat?
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game, set and match.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42397.msg1213115#msg1213115 date=1289149511]
Don't know what fucking game you're playing.

Scoper Tennis, maybe
[/quote]Jesus even by your recent lowered standards thats fucking woeful.
Go back to the match thread and moan about Lucas. You're still *ok* at that.
 
Dreamy is obviously completely stupid, but regardless of that, Torres is a fucking winner.

"Club level"? Who gives a fuck. He's an amazing goalscorer, he terrorises defences and he's won two major honours at international level.

Winner
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=42397.msg1213704#msg1213704 date=1289177282]
See N'gog? That's how you score a goal.
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Isn't N'Gog our top scorer?
 
That's a bit harsh on N'Gog.

Why are some people always so keen to turn a positive into a negative?

One of our players has a great game and it's either a chance to have a pop at one of our other players or at other posters?
 
LOVELY quality pass by NGOG for Maxi's chance at the end. He's not the finished article, but he's devoted, and he's scored plenty. We can't ask for more. Anyone that slags him off, has to go through me first!!
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=42397.msg1214079#msg1214079 date=1289237300]
no.
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n'gog has 7 goals, right?
 
In another season or two, if N'gog continues on his upward curve, he'll be some player.

I hope we keep the lad. He's learning in a tough environment and is thriving.
 
it is worth noting though if you play torres like hulking target man he (torres) is going to look very ordinary, thus I blame torres' poor run on roy hodgson.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42397.msg1214113#msg1214113 date=1289239422]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=42397.msg1214079#msg1214079 date=1289237300]
no.
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n'gog has 7 goals, right?
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Yep, that goal against Arsenal wasn't much cop though.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42397.msg1214116#msg1214116 date=1289239538]
it is worth noting though if you play torres like hulking target man he (torres) is going to look very ordinary, thus I blame torres' poor run on roy hodgson.
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I think that's not too fair, the team were playing poorly but you could argue on the evidence of the last few games that they were getting used to the way we play, and Torres has been struggling with injuries for months.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42397.msg1214117#msg1214117 date=1289239608]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42397.msg1214113#msg1214113 date=1289239422]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=42397.msg1214079#msg1214079 date=1289237300]
no.
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n'gog has 7 goals, right?
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Yep, that goal against Arsenal wasn't much cop though.
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I can't tell when you're being sarcastic anymore, marky.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42397.msg1214120#msg1214120 date=1289239683]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42397.msg1214117#msg1214117 date=1289239608]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42397.msg1214113#msg1214113 date=1289239422]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=42397.msg1214079#msg1214079 date=1289237300]
no.
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n'gog has 7 goals, right?
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Yep, that goal against Arsenal wasn't much cop though.
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I can't tell when you're being sarcastic anymore, marky.
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😉
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42397.msg1214119#msg1214119 date=1289239672]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42397.msg1214116#msg1214116 date=1289239538]
it is worth noting though if you play torres like hulking target man he (torres) is going to look very ordinary, thus I blame torres' poor run on roy hodgson.
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I think that's not too fair, the team were playing poorly but you could argue on the evidence of the last few games that they were getting used to the way we play, and Torres has been struggling with injuries for months.
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roy was asking torres to;
* hold up the ball
* hold off challeges on his own (because he team mates were 20 yards away)
* play with his back to goal
* control hoofed punts up to him

in essense he wanted torres to become heskey. play to torres' strengths (i.e. facing goal) and there are few (if any) that are better in world football. I like torres return to form has less to do with fitness and more to do with the support he is receiving from team mates (because they are higher up the pitch) and the tempo we are playing at.
 
That's just pure speculative nonsense mate.

Torres has struggled because our midfield has been feeding him absolute scraps. I highly doubt Roy has told Roy to model his game on Kevin fucking Davies.
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42397.msg1214119#msg1214119 date=1289239672]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42397.msg1214116#msg1214116 date=1289239538]
it is worth noting though if you play torres like hulking target man he (torres) is going to look very ordinary, thus I blame torres' poor run on roy hodgson.
[/quote]

I think that's not too fair, the team were playing poorly but you could argue on the evidence of the last few games that they were getting used to the way we play, and Torres has been struggling with injuries for months.
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roy was asking torres to;
* hold up the ball
* hold off challeges on his own (because he team mates were 20 yards away)
* play with his back to goal
* control hoofed punts up to him

in essense he wanted torres to become heskey. play to torres' strengths (i.e. facing goal) and there are few (if any) that are better in world football. I like torres return to form has less to do with fitness and more to do with the support he is receiving from team mates (because they are higher up the pitch) and the tempo we are playing at.
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Oh my god.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42397.msg1214130#msg1214130 date=1289240086]
That's just pure speculative nonsense mate.

Torres has struggled because our midfield has been feeding him absolute scraps. I highly doubt Roy has told Roy to model his game on Kevin fucking Davies.
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it's not about telling torres to change his game its about playing a style of football that is going to impact the striker.
if you drop deep the striker will become isolated.
if you are being more direct the striker will have to hold off challenges if he wants to control a long ball.
that's not speculation, that's a fact.
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42397.msg1214119#msg1214119 date=1289239672]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42397.msg1214116#msg1214116 date=1289239538]
it is worth noting though if you play torres like hulking target man he (torres) is going to look very ordinary, thus I blame torres' poor run on roy hodgson.
[/quote]

I think that's not too fair, the team were playing poorly but you could argue on the evidence of the last few games that they were getting used to the way we play, and Torres has been struggling with injuries for months.
[/quote]

roy was asking torres to;
* hold up the ball
* hold off challeges on his own (because he team mates were 20 yards away)
* play with his back to goal
* control hoofed punts up to him

in essense he wanted torres to become heskey. play to torres' strengths i.e. facing goal and there are few (if any) that are better in world football. I like torres return to form has less to do with fitness and more to do with the support he is receiving from team mates (because they are higher up the pitch) and the tempo we are playing at.
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The first two points, is that any different to what Rafa did? They spoke about this on MOTD, up until a week ago he was trying to lay the ball off whenever he got it, turning away from goal, against Chelsea he was positive and went straight at them trying to shoot on sight. As though it was more a question of confidence that anything, lets not forget he hadn't been at his best for months which can psychologically take it out of the very best players.

Regards the hoofing, I don't know whether it was instructed, certainly in a few of the earlier games and of late we seem content to play our way out from the back when we can, there's always room for the occasional hoof when needs be, but generally someone would break from the back, either wide or forwards and look up for a pass.

Gerrard is looking better than he did at the start of the season and the same can be said for a few players, we're also benefiting from a stronger backfour which is providing a backbone for the rest of the team, it's also worth noting that as a unit we look alot better and it looks more and more like people know what jobs they're doing.

If this run continues I'm happy to assume that the terrible start was down to people being unfamiliar with the tactics. Now we've settled a bit we look like we're actually going somewhere, but this HAS to continue against Wigan.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42397.msg1214135#msg1214135 date=1289240281]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42397.msg1214130#msg1214130 date=1289240086]
That's just pure speculative nonsense mate.

Torres has struggled because our midfield has been feeding him absolute scraps. I highly doubt Roy has told Roy to model his game on Kevin fucking Davies.
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it's not about telling torres to change his game its about playing a style of football that is going to impact the striker.
if you drop deep the striker will become isolated.
if you are being more direct the striker will have to hold off challenges if he wants to control a long ball.
that's not speculation, that's a fact.
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You just said Roy has being telling Torres to play like Emile Heskey and now "It's not a about telling Torres to change his game"!

Words are failing me.
 
Got to say aswell, I'm delighted to see the young lads getting a go, even if it is forced, he could easily have plumped for bringing on the likes of Jovanovic/Babel/Poulsen etc.
 
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