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Hodgson Considers Cole Red Card Appeal

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Roy Hodgson says Liverpool will consider an appeal against Joe Cole's red card after revealing the midfielder is 'devastated' after being sent off against Arsenal.

Cole marked his Premier League debut for Liverpool by being dismissed in first-half stoppage-time following a challenge on Arsenal defender Laurent Koscielny. Referee Martin Atkinson had no hesitation in showing a red card, but Hodgson is adamant the England international did not show intent in the tackle.

Hodgson will review the video footage before committing the Reds to an appeal following Cole's first sending-off in his professional career.

"He is devastated," said Hodgson. "It was his debut at Liverpool and a fantastic atmosphere. He was desperate to do well, not playing at the top of his game, but trying even harder to get to that level, and then suddenly he gets sent off.

"He was absolutely devastated and saddened by it all, not least because he'd put us in a difficult position. 0-0 with 10 men gives the advantage to the opposition.

"I've seen it on the video. At the time, from our position on the bench, I don't think either myself or Arsene (Wenger) had a strong opinion on the incident.

"We now have the benefit of TV replays, and those replays suggest to me he was a little bit unlucky because I don't think he actually dived to tackle the player.

"Joe Cole has got an unblemished record - he'd been previously never been sent off and had very few yellow cards. Everyone who has watched him play will agree he does not go in for 'blood curdling tackles', as I heard it described by a radio reporter.

"The fact the player wasn't seriously injured means we might just be fortunate enough that an appeal might go in our favour.

"It will be a big loss if he is suspended. We will look at the video again and try in some way to find out from referees and experts whether we do have a case for an appeal.

"I don't want a frivolous appeal, that's for sure, but it's a bit early in the day to ask me the question if we will appeal."
 
I would consider appealing if the appeals process itself meant the suspension was put on hold for the City game. But I don't think the appeal would actually be successful. While I think Atkinson was harsh with the card, it wasn't a blatantly awful call.

(I do question the notion that it was a "two-footed" challenge though. Sure didn't look like it any of the fifteen times I watched it on replay.)
 
I really didn't think it was, Oncey. And I don't think I would have been hollering for a red if it had been their player fouling ours. Definitely a card. No doubt. But I thought red was harsh.
 
It was a poor tackle & a red card by the letter of law too.

No point appealing IMO. Feel a bit sorry for Joe cos it clearly wasn't meant but thems the breaks.
 
It's not often that I completely disagree with you, Oncy, but I do in this case.

It wasn't even meant to be a tackle. Cole was attempting to block the Arsenal dickhead's ball upfield.
 
It was harsh, but it happens. Cole's reaction immediately following says it all, he knew red was a definite possibility.

This was part1 of Cole's elaborate plan to win me over.
 
I think that Cole saw the ref moving purposely towards him and couldn't believe that he was about to make such a fuck up.
 
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41450.msg1155271#msg1155271 date=1281908277]
It's not often that I completely disagree with you, Oncy, but I do in this case.

It wasn't even meant to be a tackle. Cole was attempting to block the Arsenal dickhead's ball upfield.
[/quote]I agree it wasn't meant to be a tackle, and I agree there was zero intent, but I can't agree re the rest. It was horribly timed, and he landed (scissors style) on the lads leg and it was quite lucky he wasn't injured. He had to go and the FA will laugh an appeal out of soho quick sharp.
 
it's the type of challenge Paul Scholes would have done and everyone would have a good laugh saying 'ah, good old Paul Scholes never could tackle' and get away with.
 
The fact that he sprinted out for the second half 15 minutes after being apparently maimed for life by nasty Joe might be a mitigating factor.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=41450.msg1155295#msg1155295 date=1281909740]
it's the type of challenge Paul Scholes would have done and everyone would have a good laugh saying 'ah, good old Paul Scholes never could tackle' and get away with.
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Funnily enough, I was thinking the exact same thing at the time.
 
It happened right in front of us at the game, I thought a red was very harsh, and have seen nothing to change my mind on that on any replay.
It was a clumsy tackle=come=block, certainly no more than a yellow.
Although I doubt an appeal is going to hold any water, the referree saw it and unless he says he may have made a mistake (which he won't) it won't be overturned.
regards
 
An appeal would be futile. It would need a big man to admit a mistake, I rest my case. The Kocielny incident didn't deserve such harsh treatment either, pure instinctive reaction. 'Technical' offences are an affront to football. Sport reduced to forensics and 'intent' whatever that is.
 
Appeal wont work. I'm not sure the referee will accept it as a mistake.

A lot of people who say "he deserved red" are simply reacting to how needless that tackle/block was.

We were having a good run of play in the last 5 minutes and pressuring them. Their defender wanted to boot the ball upfield/ Cole wanted to keep some pressure in their half. I see Cole's reason for making that attempted block.

His leading leg was just stretched out for a block, and it never made contact with that noob. Cole caught him with his trailing leg because of the momentum......it's no more than a yellow, by any stretch of imagination.
 
Neither do I. The Arse player got caught by Joey Cole's trailing leg FFS. Clumsy, yes, but no way a red card offence.

BTW isn't it only for yellows that that rule applies about whether the ref saw it or not? If so, an appeal could still succeed even if Atkinson says he saw this happen.
 
Even Wenger defended Cole after seeing the tackle again. THEN you know it isn't a rec card, or else it would have been a I dide nut zeee tzhat.
 
He made contact so I dont think it will get overturned. He was a stupid boy for sliding in like that but you have to forgive him, he was just being over eager on his league debut.

That ref hates us anyway. He would never send off Cole for that tackle if he was in a Chelsea shirt.

Maybe im just being paranoid.
 
If we appeal and it's unsuccesful the FA might add an extra game to his suspension which would rule him out of the man United match - Don't appeal Woy.
 
I can't agree. That's a pretty rare sanction and is only ever applied when the FA think the appeal was frivolous and obviously doomed from the start. It would be beyond ridiculous for them to take such a view in this case.
 
I don't see how they can add a extra game for appealing this. That will be ridiculous. This is his first career red card for fucks sake. Some leniency is in order.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41450.msg1155388#msg1155388 date=1281947322]
I can't agree. That's a pretty rare sanction and is only ever applied when the FA think the appeal was frivolous and obviously doomed from the start. It would be beyond ridiculous for them to take such a view in this case.
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The FA could interpret the appeal as frivolous JJ because the tackle was a foul and probably worthy of a yellow. The only succesful appeals are those in which the tackle itself is deemed fair.
 
But surely they couldn't do that if we appeal not against the fact that Cole's tackle was deemed a foul, but against the fact that he got a red rather than a yellow.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41450.msg1155376#msg1155376 date=1281946302]

BTW isn't it only for yellows that that rule applies about whether the ref saw it or not? If so, an appeal could still succeed even if Atkinson says he saw this happen.
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I did not realise that JJ, thanks for pointing it out, an apeal might have some legs then

regards
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41450.msg1155481#msg1155481 date=1281956620]
But surely they couldn't do that if we appeal not against the fact that Cole's tackle was deemed a foul, but against the fact that he got a red rather than a yellow.
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I'm not sure you can dispute the referees interpretation of a foul. The other problem is, even if the FA don't add an extra game to the ban the appeal could take a few days to be heard - this could make JC available for the City game but unavailable then against United......I'd rather have him available against United.
 
It was a block, not a tackle, and Coles' right foot never looses contact with the floor at any point. So it wasn't 2 footed, it wasn't both feet off the ground, and he actually slides in 2 feet plus in front of the player.
According to some, every time a players' two feet leave the ground is it a red card? Goalkeeper collects a cross? Red card. Full back slides across Ngog to clear it out for a throw in? Red card. etc..... It is all shite.

The Arse players' momentum carries him into the direction that Cole is sliding into. Fucking awful decision. I agree it was stupid to even slide in, as the player was just hoofing it up the field. It was also late, but it was clearly a block in front of the man, and his trailing leg caught the player. Pussy.
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41450.msg1155481#msg1155481 date=1281956620]
But surely they couldn't do that if we appeal not against the fact that Cole's tackle was deemed a foul, but against the fact that he got a red rather than a yellow.
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I'm not sure you can dispute the referees interpretation of a foul. The other problem is, even if the FA don't add an extra game to the ban the appeal could take a few days to be heard - this could make JC available for the City game but unavailable then against United......I'd rather have him available against United.
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I would rather have him for City, I think they are much more beatable than United, at this moment in time.

regards
 
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