Good players we can realistically buy
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I guess the point is that there is no excuse for ending up with a bunch of Downings again. If we can name 10-15 players, the club should be able to sign one or two.
Last summer we saw excuse after excuse trotted out as to why we targetted the players we did. Hopefully that won't be the case again.
Last summer we saw excuse after excuse trotted out as to why we targetted the players we did. Hopefully that won't be the case again.
I want us to buy young players like Belhanda, Alan Dzagoev, Rhodes and Lazar Marković.
Then there's free transfers:
Nathaniel Clyne
Jefferson Farfan
Diego
Pranjic
Tranquillo Barnetta
Mathieu Flamini
Junior Hoilett
Rodallega
Maybe add some senior players like David Villa who shouldn't be impossible to sign.
Then there's free transfers:
Nathaniel Clyne
Jefferson Farfan
Diego
Pranjic
Tranquillo Barnetta
Mathieu Flamini
Junior Hoilett
Rodallega
Maybe add some senior players like David Villa who shouldn't be impossible to sign.
But we ALWAYS name these players Kenigo. And the club ALWAYS fuck it up.
Just look around the leagues at players we KNEW we should get even before they became known in their original clubs.
Mata, Alves, Johnson, Young, Ozil, Aguero, Higauin, Banega, Oxlade, Bale etc etc.
The names we see here along with the other threads about finding next Neymars and good value will unearth a shitload of gems who will go to Porto or Napoli or Udinese or Valencia or Sporting or whoever and then when they are worth 40m we will all be saying 'we cant get him'
Out club is fucking shit at identifying emerging talent, not potential actual talent. Aged between 20 and 24ish we suck.
Just look around the leagues at players we KNEW we should get even before they became known in their original clubs.
Mata, Alves, Johnson, Young, Ozil, Aguero, Higauin, Banega, Oxlade, Bale etc etc.
The names we see here along with the other threads about finding next Neymars and good value will unearth a shitload of gems who will go to Porto or Napoli or Udinese or Valencia or Sporting or whoever and then when they are worth 40m we will all be saying 'we cant get him'
Out club is fucking shit at identifying emerging talent, not potential actual talent. Aged between 20 and 24ish we suck.
I have to agree, but we have bought emerging talents but our fail ratio is pretty high.
Worked out: Lucas, Alonso and Agger (between 20-21 when we bought them)
Didn't work out: Babel, Henderson, Gonzales, Insua etc.
Tbf we were interested in Bale and Walcott but like Benitez said we were priced out of those deals. Aguero however was probably his biggest mistake.
If Benitez had a larger budget Villa, Alves and Martinez would probably be playing for us.
Lucas was given how many years before he 'worked' out? Henderson can go in the 'Unsure if he'll work out yet' group!
I think we bought Alonso when he was 23ish
Yes, Henderson should belong to that category.
Alonso was 22 when we bought him, my bad.
Depends on the price. Demba Ba was supposedly done and dusted because of his knees as well but Newcastle took a chance and he was fantastic for them before Cisse joined the party.
Your taking some major liberties with the truth there. Bale and Oxo were well known by every club before they had signed their first professional contract at their own clubs (Walcott is another in that category), and neither were cheap. I'm certain it was the same for a lot of the foreigners (I don't follow foreign well enough to say for certain, with the exception of Aguerro who everyone knew about before he kicked a ball).
And there are also infinite players who "we KNEW we should get even before they became known in their original clubs" that turned out to be crap i.e Le Tallec, Adu, Bentley, Robinson, that cabbage of a goalkeeper that used to play for Everton around the same time as Jeffers, Reyes, Zaki, that spanish striker Newcastle spent a fortune on etc etc etc.
It would be interesting to draw up a list of all the youngster that were sure things, and then analyse exactly how they have performed because this type of analysis in hindsight is stupid.
You are however right in saying the club always get it wrong, and we have taken steps to correct that by bringing in youngsters as early as possible. But the earlier you bring in players, the longer it takes to reap the rewards and the players you have to sign before you are rewarded for purchasing them in the first place.
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Firstly you are wrong about the Saints lads as i was telling people on here about them when they were in the Southampton youth team because my mates a huge Southampton fan.
Youre wrong about others there too.
You do make a good point about us getting some wrong, of course i remember the Bentley threads and OF COURSE we all get some wrong. But I could draw up a list of 50 players who i heard of on here before they had hardly kicked a ball for their first clubs, who have gone on to great things.
In all honesty It baffles me how crap we are at finding emerging talent.
And if you look at our 4 best first team players this year all of them could concievably fall into the category Ken is talking about here
Agger
Skrtel
Lucas
Suarez
Only Suarez of any of those had any 'real' rep
1) From wiki: Nike agreed to a sponsorship deal with Walcott when he was fourteen years old.
2) Bale and Walcott were both on Championship manager at a stupidly young age
3. All 3 of them were playing international football for the Under 18s or younger. Again all monitored by EVERY premiership team and most other professional teams with money.
Aguero was in in the first team at 15 years old, "breaking the record previously established by Diego Maradona in 1976".
Everyone of those players were known about.
This is true. Of course the inverse is true, I could draw up a list of all the players we have screamed for that have turned out to be average or worse. We also have no idea if we tried to sign players and were rejected or the deal broke down. Ged almost signed Ronaldo, and we only heard about it in many years later for example.
Everyone of those players has been considered sell-able by the forum, including you (not necessarily all of them by you), within the last two season. Agger reached a point where KHL seemed to be his only defender, Skittles has been forever considered not good enough or average by the majority, I can't be arsed taking about Lucas, and Suarez has been deemed saleable for other reasons.
I do take your point btw. I just disagree.
Bale for example WAS bein talked about on here when he was 16 years old (along with elsewhere im sure) and he sold for £5m
Now he is worth 30m
Eriksen was being talked about by KHL in his 'one to watch' pieces before he had played a dozen games now he is worth 30m
Myself and Dave and i think Ken were banging on about Ozil at the u17 worlds a few years ago and he has moved TWICE since then and is now worth probably 35m
Dmish and Pesam and KHL have named players this last month who you or I have never heard of who will sell for 5 to 10m and then 5 years later we will be decrying not being able to afford them at 30m
We are shit.
Bale for example WAS bein talked about on here when he was 16 years old (along with elsewhere im sure) and he sold for £5m
Now he is worth 30m
Eriksen was being talked about by KHL in his 'one to watch' pieces before he had played a dozen games now he is worth 30m
Myself and Dave and i think Ken were banging on about Ozil at the u17 worlds a few years ago and he has moved TWICE since then and is now worth probably 35m
Dmish and Pesam and KHL have named players this last month who you or I have never heard of who will sell for 5 to 10m and then 5 years later we will be decrying not being able to afford them at 30m
We are shit.
For every Bale at £5million, there are dozens of a player like Michael Branch, Bruno Cheyrou, or Roston Drenthe. Just because you are boss at 16 doesn't mean you will make it at all. A lot of players actually stand still between the ages of 18 and 21, if not regress, whereas only the real deal push on.
Quite so. but thats kinda the point. We're shit at finding the good ones and good at finding the shit ones.
Agreed. It isnt as easy as it seems though, and we may have ruined a couple of them over the years because they were surrounded by poor players. The best clubs can surround them with quality and develop them further, we have had Carra hoofing it and Milan Baros hogging the ball in training. Not to mention Cisse shooting all the balls into Deysbrook Lane, cutting the morning drills session short every day.
belhanda has been mentioned and looks very good, will cost a fraction of hazard and could be as good.
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I must admit I'm mostly with Oncy here.
There are some talent out there that are so obvious that we at least should've done our utmost to secure them while they were still affordable. Apart from Suso who came with a very good reputation despite his young age I can't think of that many in that bracket we've gone for.
In example. Chelsea had Eriksen over twice (and wanted him but needed to see him one more time) whereas we went for the for the completely unknown Nikolaj Køhlert. We also went in for Saric, whom I really liked the look off, who sadly didn't turn out any good either but he was still in another range as Eriksen's talent was even more obvious.
These players are rare why I believe we should at least go all in for them when they appear. Özil another good example, Bale and Walcott too, and from what I know off Viktor Fischer and Nicolai Boilesen too. Will also be interesting to follow the progress of that Cameroun-lad Spurs secured after he scored 100 goals under the U17 WC last Summer, etc. etc.
I really believe we should've done better over the past ten years or so but that is actually one area where I believe the new owners will demand changes and massive improvement.
There are some talent out there that are so obvious that we at least should've done our utmost to secure them while they were still affordable. Apart from Suso who came with a very good reputation despite his young age I can't think of that many in that bracket we've gone for.
In example. Chelsea had Eriksen over twice (and wanted him but needed to see him one more time) whereas we went for the for the completely unknown Nikolaj Køhlert. We also went in for Saric, whom I really liked the look off, who sadly didn't turn out any good either but he was still in another range as Eriksen's talent was even more obvious.
These players are rare why I believe we should at least go all in for them when they appear. Özil another good example, Bale and Walcott too, and from what I know off Viktor Fischer and Nicolai Boilesen too. Will also be interesting to follow the progress of that Cameroun-lad Spurs secured after he scored 100 goals under the U17 WC last Summer, etc. etc.
I really believe we should've done better over the past ten years or so but that is actually one area where I believe the new owners will demand changes and massive improvement.
can't see that, he'd be top dollar
If you mean Joe Allen, I second that. He's a good player already and IMO has the makings of a top star.
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