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Glenjo the winger?

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Glenjo is a long way from finished as a right back. What's more Enrique is a long way from having the LB role nailed permanently. He was good against Arsenal but distinctly average against Sunderland. It was his first game, one day into the club, but something that continued onto the Emirates was the long balls which rarely qualified as incisive.


Glenjo as a winger has been talked about for years; I'm with Jules on this - don't think he's got the qualities for a winger and doubt he's keen on working on it either. Plenty of clubs out there would love him at RB if we're stupid enough to upset him and show him the door.
 
I didn't think Enqique was average against Sunderland at all Wiz, defensively he was sound even if he did concentrate more on that side of his game, which was understandable given he'd joined the previous day, not trained and it was our first game. I agree it'd be stupid to get carried away, but your assessment of his first game is well harsh.

As for Glen Jo and not risking him at right midfield, he's already under pressure at fullback, which says alot IMO about his ability to hold the spot down (and raises subsequent question marks about whether he IS good enough), dismissing the opportunity to even just try him on the wing is a tad short-sighted and stubborn. Most fullbacks fail when pushed forward because their lack of genuine skill is exposed, nothing really to do with running from deep, it hasn't done Bale and Baines any harm to play there and neither really have as quick feet as Johnson has. His primary strengths are attacking ones, his defensive play is questionable. If he's that mentally fragile that it would ruin him, why are the some people saying we should keep him as 2nd choice fullback? I'd wager he'd be less happy with that role than us trying to incorporate him into the side to attempt to play to his strengths. Either way this is a massive season for him. He's under pressure for a reason so dismissing this option is more than foolish and as damaging as the risk it 'might' entail.
 
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Glenjo is a long way from finished as a right back. What's more Enrique is a long way from having the LB role nailed permanently. He was good against Arsenal but distinctly average against Sunderland. It was his first game, one day into the club, but something that continued onto the Emirates was the long balls which rarely qualified as incisive.


Glenjo as a winger has been talked about for years; I'm with Jules on this - don't think he's got the qualities for a winger and doubt he's keen on working on it either. Plenty of clubs out there would love him at RB if we're stupid enough to upset him and show him the door.
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I'm undecided on the possibility of Johnson at RW. He could be tried there as an impact sub, and we could take it from there. You can't drop Kelly after his performance anyway, and Johnson is a fantastic player to have on the bench. He can play LB, RB, and RW if required.

But I find your view that "Johnson does not have the qualities for a winger" a bit unfounded. Quality he has. Does he have the mentality to adapt and do well there as he did at LB is the question....no body knows the answer for sure. If Kenny doesn't think it's a wise decision based on what he has seen in training.....then fair enough! But two other managers have tried him there, so he obviously must have some quality to do well there, if he applies himself well. If Kenny also tries him at RW and he fails, it won't be because he didn't have the quality to do well there.

Also Enrique was not "Distinctly Average"....again too strong a view at odds with pretty much everybody who saw the game, and a bit unfounded too if, "he played a few longballs too many" is the only criticism you can think off. There were at least 5 other players i would pick on first before coming to Enrique for not performing to ability against Sunderland.
 
Realistically, you would have to expect that an International right back, who can't get a game in that position for his club side, is going to want to move on; not move positions.
However, his options may be limited given the ridiculous wages he is on. He'll probably just end up sulking.
As to whether he'd be any good right wing, not sure. It's a different game trying what he does from right wing as opposed to doing it from full back.
 
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I didn't think Enqique was average against Sunderland at all Wiz, defensively he was sound even if he did concentrate more on that side of his game, which was understandable given he'd joined the previous day, not trained and it was our first game. I agree it'd be stupid to get carried away, but your assessment of his first game is well harsh.

As for Glen Jo and not risking him at right midfield, he's already under pressure at fullback, which says alot IMO about his ability to hold the spot down (and raises subsequent question marks about whether he IS good enough), dismissing the opportunity to even just try him on the wing is a tad short-sighted and stubborn. Most fullbacks fail when pushed forward because their lack of genuine skill is exposed, nothing really to do with running from deep, it hasn't done Bale and Baines any harm to play there and neither really have as quick feet as Johnson has. His primary strengths are attacking ones, his defensive play is questionable. If he's that mentally fragile that it would ruin him, why are the some people saying we should keep him as 2nd choice fullback? I'd wager he'd be less happy with that role than us trying to incorporate him into the side to attempt to play to his strengths. Either way this is a massive season for him. He's under pressure for a reason so dismissing this option is more than foolish and as damaging as the risk it 'might' entail.
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Excellent post.

Funnily enough, this time last year, I would have argued against converting Magic into a winger. I've always had a soft spot for him and have always believed he'll have some Ashley Cole like transformation into a solid defender. The truth however really is that he hasn't shown any signs of that and with the emergence of Kelly and Flanno, it's not going to be easy for him to stake a first choice claim to the RB slot anymore. In fact, I think it'd be fair to say that in Kenny's book, he's already behind Kelly at the RB stakes (note that it was Glenjo who played at left-back when both were available).

Now whether Glenjo's going to be comfortable with this situation and willing to slug it out with Kelly for the RB spot remains to be seen. Not playing is going to affect his England chances (and with the emergence of Kelly and Kyle Walker, chances are that he won't be first choice England RB for very long either), so it'd be interesting to see how things transpire. I do think however that he would prefer playing football, even if not in his favoured RB role (and this is pure hypothesis - for all you know, he harbours a secret ambition of being a bombing right winger - certainly seems so from the way he plays) rather than playing second fiddle to a 20 year old who's shown in about half a season that he's a better full back than him.
 
JJ pretty much nailed it in the second post. Also now that we are developing into a more stable team Magic's best attributes will come to show much more I reckon.

I think Kelly and Johnson will both play a lot of games this season and I wouldn't be surprised to see the wingback formation resurfacing a few times this season either.

Enrique---------------Johnson
------Agger-Carra-Kelly------
 
Did wiz say enrique was average against sunderland?

Harsh in the extreme since he probably trained ONCE with his new team
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46560.msg1385064#msg1385064 date=1314083906]
Did wiz say enrique was average against sunderland?

Harsh in the extreme since he probably trained ONCE with his new team
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Come on Fab - how hard can it be for you to read about 6 posts up on the same page???

Yes, I did say he was average - distinctly average - against Sunderland. Nor do I think it's unfair - in fact a number of people I spoke to who went the match felt the same. I qualified it by saying it was his first match, a day after joining a new club - but he was still nothing special. He looked better against Arsenal who were coming at us but against Sunderland I wasn't impressed at all. Solid - yes.
 
[quote author=The_Rule link=topic=46560.msg1385684#msg1385684 date=1314152655]
We would be better off without Johnson. Use that money and sign a quality right winger.
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I don't think we'd get that much money for him to be worth selling.

Other than Harry Redknapp, who'd buy him?
 
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We would be better off without Johnson. Use that money and sign a quality right winger.
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Can't see Johnson leaving any time soon - he's only just signed an extension to his contract and Kenny seems to be a big fan.

I'd like to think Kenny will keep Kelly in the side though.
 
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=46560.msg1385064#msg1385064 date=1314083906]
Did wiz say enrique was average against sunderland?

Harsh in the extreme since he probably trained ONCE with his new team
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Come on Fab - how hard can it be for you to read about 6 posts up on the same page???


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Tbf I did read your post, my comment was born of complete shock that I'd disagree with you over something
 
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