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The way I look at it is, it's one in and one out, costing us 10 million max (not including the potential waivering of the Crouch credit) and we promote one of the ressies for cover. It's a risk, but without an open cheque book that's the way it has to be.
 
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=29971.msg888386#msg888386 date=1245061460]
The way I look at it is, it's one in and one out, costing us 10 million max (not including the potential waivering of the Crouch credit) and we promote one of the ressies for cover. It's a risk, but without an open cheque book that's the way it has to be.
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I don't think it will be one out unless the 'out' is dossena.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888390#msg888390 date=1245061564]
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=29971.msg888386#msg888386 date=1245061460]
The way I look at it is, it's one in and one out, costing us 10 million max (not including the potential waivering of the Crouch credit) and we promote one of the ressies for cover. It's a risk, but without an open cheque book that's the way it has to be.
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I don't think it will be one out unless the 'out' is dossena.
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Arbeloa is off. There's been rumours for a while and he's only got a year left on his contract. If we get 8 million for him and bring Johnson in for say 15, you'd have to be happy with that.

While squad depth is essential, we're not Chelsea and can't afford to let a saleable asset sit on the bench for the majority of the season. I'd rather buy quality and promote youth.
 
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=29971.msg888386#msg888386 date=1245061460]
The way I look at it is, it's one in and one out, costing us 10 million max (not including the potential waivering of the Crouch credit) and we promote one of the ressies for cover. It's a risk, but without an open cheque book that's the way it has to be.
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Yep.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888390#msg888390 date=1245061564]
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=29971.msg888386#msg888386 date=1245061460]
The way I look at it is, it's one in and one out, costing us 10 million max (not including the potential waivering of the Crouch credit) and we promote one of the ressies for cover. It's a risk, but without an open cheque book that's the way it has to be.
[/quote]

I don't think it will be one out unless the 'out' is dossena.
[/quote]

Arbeloa is off. There's been rumours for a while and he's only got a year left on his contract. If we get 8 million for him and bring Johnson in for say 15, you'd have to be happy with that.
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who me? no I wouldn't, I don't want arbeloa to leave.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888395#msg888395 date=1245061719]
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=29971.msg888392#msg888392 date=1245061668]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888390#msg888390 date=1245061564]
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=29971.msg888386#msg888386 date=1245061460]
The way I look at it is, it's one in and one out, costing us 10 million max (not including the potential waivering of the Crouch credit) and we promote one of the ressies for cover. It's a risk, but without an open cheque book that's the way it has to be.
[/quote]

I don't think it will be one out unless the 'out' is dossena.
[/quote]

Arbeloa is off. There's been rumours for a while and he's only got a year left on his contract. If we get 8 million for him and bring Johnson in for say 15, you'd have to be happy with that.
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who me? no I wouldn't, I don't want arbeloa to leave.
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Your man love for Arbeloa aside, I'm sure Rafa would be happy with that deal.
 
the ideal summer for me is none of the key players leaving and us buying a right back and left midfielder/forward with our entire kitty plus sales. I class arbeloa amongt our key players (just my opinion). this we we strengthen were we need to strengthen with getting weaker in the process.
buying a right back and selling a right back isn't progression for me unless johnson has the strength/stamina to play every single game this season which he patently doesn't.
 
Spider, it would be great to have someone of arbeloas quality as a back up right back, but i just dont think its practical for couple of reasons. One being that i cant see him being happy wit that and the other being that we will need the money from his sale. The latter bein the deciding factor unfortunately.
 
[quote author=barrymac20 link=topic=29971.msg888398#msg888398 date=1245061929]
Spider, it would be great to have someone of arbeloas quality as a back up right back, but i just dont think its practical for couple of reasons. One being that i cant see him being happy wit that and the other being that we will need the money from his sale. The latter bein the deciding factor unfortunately.
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If Arbeloa's not happy to sit on the bench sometimes, he might not enjoy himself much at Real.
 
It is a lot of money and ideally the outlay should be no more than £13-14M, but as soon as Chelsea entered the race, coupled with Portsmouth's new investment and Glens new contract all combined to make any sort of realistic valuation extremely unlikely.

It is a big price but they're are are redeeming features:

- He is a good player who's only got the potential to get even better, especially under Rafa.  
- It looks like we've found a suitor and a good price for Dossena - which we couldn't guarantee - reducing the overall outlay
- The Crouch debt will reduce the impact upon our transfer budget
- We'll finally have someone who can cross the ball from wide positions, and with Torres' heading ability that'll be effective.
 
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[quote author=barrymac20 link=topic=29971.msg888398#msg888398 date=1245061929]
Spider, it would be great to have someone of arbeloas quality as a back up right back, but i just dont think its practical for couple of reasons. One being that i cant see him being happy wit that and the other being that we will need the money from his sale. The latter bein the deciding factor unfortunately.
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If Arbeloa's not happy to sit on the bench sometimes, he might not enjoy himself much at Real.

[/quote]

in a nutshell. ramos with patently be first choice. arby stands a much better chance forcing his way into the first team here.

CC
FAC
League
CL

you're talking possibly 60 games, arby will get games.
 
[quote author=barrymac20 link=topic=29971.msg888398#msg888398 date=1245061929]
Spider, it would be great to have someone of arbeloas quality as a back up right back, but i just dont think its practical for couple of reasons. One being that i cant see him being happy wit that and the other being that we will need the money from his sale. The latter bein the deciding factor unfortunately.
[/quote]

Oh yes.

All this 'two quality players in every position' is pie in the sky FM bollocks. Even Ferguson knows he has to balance it out with youth and homegrown lads. Think Rafael, O'Shit, Fletcher, et all, which allows him to strengthen key positions with top quality.
 
In an ideal world i agree with you but realistically, and unfortunately, we'l have to sell some good players to raise cash for new players. So long as none of the best players are sold, i.e. those that are hard to replace, i'll be happy.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=29971.msg888401#msg888401 date=1245062047]
[quote author=barrymac20 link=topic=29971.msg888398#msg888398 date=1245061929]
Spider, it would be great to have someone of arbeloas quality as a back up right back, but i just dont think its practical for couple of reasons. One being that i cant see him being happy wit that and the other being that we will need the money from his sale. The latter bein the deciding factor unfortunately.
[/quote]

If Arbeloa's not happy to sit on the bench sometimes, he might not enjoy himself much at Real.

[/quote]

Maybe he wants to go home and would prefer to sit on the bench at his own club?
 
Don't see why Arby shouldn't stay.

He, Aurelio, Insua and Johnson would be our 4 full backs. The fact that Arbeloa is the only one out of the 4 that can play on both sides (and in the centre on the odd occasion) should be a positive for him. He'll get plenty of games.
 
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=29971.msg888405#msg888405 date=1245062289]
[quote author=barrymac20 link=topic=29971.msg888398#msg888398 date=1245061929]
Spider, it would be great to have someone of arbeloas quality as a back up right back, but i just dont think its practical for couple of reasons. One being that i cant see him being happy wit that and the other being that we will need the money from his sale. The latter bein the deciding factor unfortunately.
[/quote]

Oh yes.

All this 'two quality players in every position' is pie in the sky FM bollocks. Even Ferguson knows he has to balance it out with youth and homegrown lads. Think Rafael, O'Shit, Fletcher, et all, which allows him to strengthen key positions with top quality.
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how is it pie in the sky. manu? chelsea? do you think its a coincedence that both teams reach the latter stages of EVERY competition they enter?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888397#msg888397 date=1245061910]
the ideal summer for me is none of the key players leaving and us buying a right back and left midfielder/forward with our entire kitty plus sales. I class arbeloa amongt our key players (just my opinion). this we we strengthen were we need to strengthen with getting weaker in the process.
buying a right back and selling a right back isn't progression for me unless johnson has the strength/stamina to play every single game this season which he patently doesn't.
[/quote]

I consistently defended Arbeloa this season from several clueless people on here claiming that he's a liability. He's an excellent defender who suffered with tiredness towards the end of the season (which is no surprise given that he'd played nearly every game.

That said, I don't think even the most ardent Arbeloa fans could claim that he's a 'key player'. He's not an essential cog in the machine. He's a very reliable part but he's by no means irreplaceable. If there's one area where he could significantly improve in it's his attacking game. Johnson, while not as good defensively, is FAR superior going forward. He's has come on leaps and bounds with his defending in his time at Portsmouth and with Rafa's strong emphasis on defending there's no reason to assume that won't continue.

I think he represents a risk worth taking and one that could add a whole new dimension to the team.
 
Yeah but we cant compete financially with them, are you forgetting this? Ideally We'd not have to sell arbeloa but realistically i think it will be the case.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888404#msg888404 date=1245062256]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=29971.msg888401#msg888401 date=1245062047]
[quote author=barrymac20 link=topic=29971.msg888398#msg888398 date=1245061929]
Spider, it would be great to have someone of arbeloas quality as a back up right back, but i just dont think its practical for couple of reasons. One being that i cant see him being happy wit that and the other being that we will need the money from his sale. The latter bein the deciding factor unfortunately.
[/quote]

If Arbeloa's not happy to sit on the bench sometimes, he might not enjoy himself much at Real.

[/quote]

in a nutshell. ramos with patently be first choice. arby stands a much better chance forcing his way into the first team here.

CC
FAC
League
CL

you're talking possibly 60 games, arby will get games.
[/quote]

He can also play LB and CB (in Spain) and Ramos could move to CB so Arbeloa would surely get games covering all 4 of their defensive positions.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888411#msg888411 date=1245062502]
[quote author=David Byrne link=topic=29971.msg888405#msg888405 date=1245062289]
[quote author=barrymac20 link=topic=29971.msg888398#msg888398 date=1245061929]
Spider, it would be great to have someone of arbeloas quality as a back up right back, but i just dont think its practical for couple of reasons. One being that i cant see him being happy wit that and the other being that we will need the money from his sale. The latter bein the deciding factor unfortunately.
[/quote]

Oh yes.

All this 'two quality players in every position' is pie in the sky FM bollocks. Even Ferguson knows he has to balance it out with youth and homegrown lads. Think Rafael, O'Shit, Fletcher, et all, which allows him to strengthen key positions with top quality.
[/quote]

how is it pie in the sky. manu? chelsea? do you think its a coincedence that both teams reach the latter stages of EVERY competition they enter?
[/quote]

The mancs don't spend big on cover and have two expensive squad players for every position, they promote homegrown lads to pad the squad out and spend whatever money they have on match winners. What you're suggesting is the Chelsea/Abramovich model, which isn't very realistic is it?

Rafa feels a right back is top priority and in that case Arbeloa is surplus to requirements.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=29971.msg888412#msg888412 date=1245062576]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888397#msg888397 date=1245061910]
the ideal summer for me is none of the key players leaving and us buying a right back and left midfielder/forward with our entire kitty plus sales. I class arbeloa amongt our key players (just my opinion). this we we strengthen were we need to strengthen with getting weaker in the process.
buying a right back and selling a right back isn't progression for me unless johnson has the strength/stamina to play every single game this season which he patently doesn't.
[/quote]

I consistently defended Arbeloa this season from several clueless people on here claiming that he's a liability. He's an excellent defender who suffered with tiredness towards the end of the season (which is no surprise given that he'd played nearly every game.

That said, I don't think even the most ardent Arbeloa fans could claim that he's a 'key player'. He's not an essential cog in the machine. He's a very reliable part but he's by no means irreplaceable. If there's one area where he could significantly improve in it's his attacking game. Johnson, while not as good defensively, is FAR superior going forward. He's has come on leaps and bounds with his defending in his time at Portsmouth and with Rafa's strong emphasis on defending there's no reason to assume that won't continue.

I think he represents a risk worth taking and one that could add a whole new dimension to the team.
[/quote]

how can the first choice right back and the best right back at the club bar none (gerrard patently isn't going to play there ever again) not be concidered 'key'.
when someone else plays at right back (including the great carra) we are weaker, simple as.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888417#msg888417 date=1245062898]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=29971.msg888412#msg888412 date=1245062576]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888397#msg888397 date=1245061910]
the ideal summer for me is none of the key players leaving and us buying a right back and left midfielder/forward with our entire kitty plus sales. I class arbeloa amongt our key players (just my opinion). this we we strengthen were we need to strengthen with getting weaker in the process.
buying a right back and selling a right back isn't progression for me unless johnson has the strength/stamina to play every single game this season which he patently doesn't.
[/quote]

I consistently defended Arbeloa this season from several clueless people on here claiming that he's a liability. He's an excellent defender who suffered with tiredness towards the end of the season (which is no surprise given that he'd played nearly every game.

That said, I don't think even the most ardent Arbeloa fans could claim that he's a 'key player'. He's not an essential cog in the machine. He's a very reliable part but he's by no means irreplaceable. If there's one area where he could significantly improve in it's his attacking game. Johnson, while not as good defensively, is FAR superior going forward. He's has come on leaps and bounds with his defending in his time at Portsmouth and with Rafa's strong emphasis on defending there's no reason to assume that won't continue.

I think he represents a risk worth taking and one that could add a whole new dimension to the team.
[/quote]

how can the first choice right back and the best right back at the club bar none (gerrard patently isn't going to play there ever again) not be concidered 'key'.
when someone else plays at right back (including the great carra) we are weaker, simple as.
[/quote]

Riera is our best left winger at the club. Is he a key player?

If they can easily be replaced with a superior player then they're not 'key' as far as I'm concerned.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888417#msg888417 date=1245062898]
how can the first choice right back and the best right back at the club bar none (gerrard patently isn't going to play there ever again) not be concidered 'key'.
when someone else plays at right back (including the great carra) we are weaker, simple as.
[/quote]

It's just how you define a 'key player'. Del was simply using it as a way of stating who is relatively replaceable and who isn't. I like Arbeloa but I don't think any Liverpool fan would hit the panic button were he to be sold in the same way they would Alonso, Masher, Gerrard, Torres et al.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=29971.msg888419#msg888419 date=1245063082]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888417#msg888417 date=1245062898]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=29971.msg888412#msg888412 date=1245062576]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888397#msg888397 date=1245061910]
the ideal summer for me is none of the key players leaving and us buying a right back and left midfielder/forward with our entire kitty plus sales. I class arbeloa amongt our key players (just my opinion). this we we strengthen were we need to strengthen with getting weaker in the process.
buying a right back and selling a right back isn't progression for me unless johnson has the strength/stamina to play every single game this season which he patently doesn't.
[/quote]

I consistently defended Arbeloa this season from several clueless people on here claiming that he's a liability. He's an excellent defender who suffered with tiredness towards the end of the season (which is no surprise given that he'd played nearly every game.

That said, I don't think even the most ardent Arbeloa fans could claim that he's a 'key player'. He's not an essential cog in the machine. He's a very reliable part but he's by no means irreplaceable. If there's one area where he could significantly improve in it's his attacking game. Johnson, while not as good defensively, is FAR superior going forward. He's has come on leaps and bounds with his defending in his time at Portsmouth and with Rafa's strong emphasis on defending there's no reason to assume that won't continue.

I think he represents a risk worth taking and one that could add a whole new dimension to the team.
[/quote]

how can the first choice right back and the best right back at the club bar none (gerrard patently isn't going to play there ever again) not be concidered 'key'.
when someone else plays at right back (including the great carra) we are weaker, simple as.
[/quote]

Riera is our best left winger at the club. Is he a key player?

If they can easily be replaced with a superior player then they're not 'key' as far as I'm concerned.
[/quote]

different. reira isn't clearly first choice, you could easily put yossi there (and to a lesser extent babel) and not get a discernable difference in quality.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888421#msg888421 date=1245063248]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=29971.msg888419#msg888419 date=1245063082]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888417#msg888417 date=1245062898]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=29971.msg888412#msg888412 date=1245062576]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888397#msg888397 date=1245061910]
the ideal summer for me is none of the key players leaving and us buying a right back and left midfielder/forward with our entire kitty plus sales. I class arbeloa amongt our key players (just my opinion). this we we strengthen were we need to strengthen with getting weaker in the process.
buying a right back and selling a right back isn't progression for me unless johnson has the strength/stamina to play every single game this season which he patently doesn't.
[/quote]

I consistently defended Arbeloa this season from several clueless people on here claiming that he's a liability. He's an excellent defender who suffered with tiredness towards the end of the season (which is no surprise given that he'd played nearly every game.

That said, I don't think even the most ardent Arbeloa fans could claim that he's a 'key player'. He's not an essential cog in the machine. He's a very reliable part but he's by no means irreplaceable. If there's one area where he could significantly improve in it's his attacking game. Johnson, while not as good defensively, is FAR superior going forward. He's has come on leaps and bounds with his defending in his time at Portsmouth and with Rafa's strong emphasis on defending there's no reason to assume that won't continue.

I think he represents a risk worth taking and one that could add a whole new dimension to the team.
[/quote]

how can the first choice right back and the best right back at the club bar none (gerrard patently isn't going to play there ever again) not be concidered 'key'.
when someone else plays at right back (including the great carra) we are weaker, simple as.
[/quote]

Riera is our best left winger at the club. Is he a key player?

If they can easily be replaced with a superior player then they're not 'key' as far as I'm concerned.
[/quote]

different. reira isn't clearly first choice, you could easily put yossi there (and to a lesser extent babel) and not get a discernable difference in quality.
[/quote]

And if you put Johnson there? In place of Arbeloa?

Every time I have an exchange with you it always seems to be circular.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=29971.msg888420#msg888420 date=1245063180]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888417#msg888417 date=1245062898]
how can the first choice right back and the best right back at the club bar none (gerrard patently isn't going to play there ever again) not be concidered 'key'.
when someone else plays at right back (including the great carra) we are weaker, simple as.
[/quote]

It's just how you define a 'key player'. Del was simply using it as a way of stating who is relatively replaceable and who isn't. I like Arbeloa but I don't think any Liverpool fan would hit the panic button were he to be sold in the same way they would Alonso, Masher, Gerrard, Torres et al.
[/quote]

well, each to their own. I think you guys are describing 'indispensible' rather than 'key'.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888417#msg888417 date=1245062898]

how can the first choice right back and the best right back at the club bar none (gerrard patently isn't going to play there ever again) not be concidered 'key'.
when someone else plays at right back (including the great carra) we are weaker, simple as.
[/quote]

Don't miss the chance to have a snide dig at Carra to back up your ever increasing desperate views.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=29971.msg888422#msg888422 date=1245063345]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888421#msg888421 date=1245063248]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=29971.msg888419#msg888419 date=1245063082]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888417#msg888417 date=1245062898]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=29971.msg888412#msg888412 date=1245062576]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888397#msg888397 date=1245061910]
the ideal summer for me is none of the key players leaving and us buying a right back and left midfielder/forward with our entire kitty plus sales. I class arbeloa amongt our key players (just my opinion). this we we strengthen were we need to strengthen with getting weaker in the process.
buying a right back and selling a right back isn't progression for me unless johnson has the strength/stamina to play every single game this season which he patently doesn't.
[/quote]

I consistently defended Arbeloa this season from several clueless people on here claiming that he's a liability. He's an excellent defender who suffered with tiredness towards the end of the season (which is no surprise given that he'd played nearly every game.

That said, I don't think even the most ardent Arbeloa fans could claim that he's a 'key player'. He's not an essential cog in the machine. He's a very reliable part but he's by no means irreplaceable. If there's one area where he could significantly improve in it's his attacking game. Johnson, while not as good defensively, is FAR superior going forward. He's has come on leaps and bounds with his defending in his time at Portsmouth and with Rafa's strong emphasis on defending there's no reason to assume that won't continue.

I think he represents a risk worth taking and one that could add a whole new dimension to the team.
[/quote]

how can the first choice right back and the best right back at the club bar none (gerrard patently isn't going to play there ever again) not be concidered 'key'.
when someone else plays at right back (including the great carra) we are weaker, simple as.
[/quote]

Riera is our best left winger at the club. Is he a key player?

If they can easily be replaced with a superior player then they're not 'key' as far as I'm concerned.
[/quote]

different. reira isn't clearly first choice, you could easily put yossi there (and to a lesser extent babel) and not get a discernable difference in quality.
[/quote]

And if you put Johnson there? In place of Arbeloa?

Every time I have an exchange with you it always seems to be circular.
[/quote]

as far as I am aware johnson isn't on the books. I'm talking right now. if johnson joins then he will go from 'key' to valid member of the squad. like yossi. that's a point, if we bought silva then shouldn't we sell reira, babel and yossi? after all we only need one left midfielder.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=29971.msg888417#msg888417 date=1245062898]

how can the first choice right back and the best right back at the club bar none (gerrard patently isn't going to play there ever again) not be concidered 'key'.
when someone else plays at right back (including the great carra) we are weaker, simple as.
[/quote]

Don't miss the chance to have a snide dig at Carra to back up your ever increasing desperate views.

[/quote]

you're far too sensitive about carra and wanting two fullbacks is hardly a 'desparate' view.
 
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